One App Workflow

supadom

@oat_phipps said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

Re: Loopy pro: You must've been pulling out of the driveway as you typed that

That totally flew over my head!! (no pun intended)

Stuntman_mike

@oat_phipps said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@oat_phipps said:
Hell no. Everything in moderation is still the key to life. No reason to limit yourself or a song just to prove a point to yourself (or others). Many did that because hardware isn't cheap and iPads and laptops weren't around. And the ones who did/do it by choice only felt the need to prove something to themselves (or others). If you have to limit yourself to get something with no timeline done (such as a song/album, not talking about real world time restraints at work & the like), then you have a self-discipline deficiency. And I don't think that self-imposed constraints are the best way to improve that deficiency.

I feel what you’re saying! Is there one app that you have “deep dived” to really understand its in’s and out’s?

Yes. SunVox, which I absolutely love to play with still but never produce any final tracks with. I admire it as a true work of art coding-wise, beauty-wise for its simplicity, and DSP sound-engine wise. It sounds great. It's quite capable, but the reason I've never produced full tracks with it is there's always a few elements that I need from somewhere else to get the song like I envision it. Or there is a quicker app to use to do what I need.

Korg Electribe Wave, Vogel CMI-These were the two I experimented with heavily to try to do the one-source song. The attempts lead me to learn the lesson stated above. The first was out of impulse buy curiosity, the latter was out of nostalgic feelings and to get an idea of just how long it took people in the 80s to program a song with the Fairlight. Man, I wish I still had a couple of the tracks I made with the Vogel. Labor of love.

A handful of synths I have expert handle on but maybe not mastery over (Moogs, mood, Zeeon, iVCS 3, ARP Odyssey, and Continua).

Most importantly, DAW-control of Cubasis and Auria.

Probably tmi, but as I typed I started taking stock of all i've purchased but not even touched more than once or twice and began rambling to myself about what I haven't wasted money on. Sorry not to be more terse.

Sounds like opportunities to revisit the unused and use them! Maybe squeeze one sound out of them 😂

Stuntman_mike

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

I’m with @reasOne! BM3 is amazing. I have made many tracks in there in one go!

Poppadocrock

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

In terms of a Host or DAW, my workflow has evolved somewhat organically over the last 4-5 years of making music on an iPad.

Beginning- Figure, GarageBand. AB2.
Middle- Gadget, IM2.
Middle 2- AB3, Cubasis 2.
Currently- AUM

That’s just my path to finding what I liked the best, my personal choice of workflow. I still go back and use all of those other apps, but as I learned more, I wanted the ability to do more, to try new techniques, and ideas. Ultimately to find the setup where I felt most creative and comfortable.

Wow, subtractive workflow! What apps do use the most in AUM or are your recording acoustic and hardware instruments into it?

I mostly use AU apps on my iPad but I also use a couple midi controllers, Korg NanoKey studio, 49 key presonus keyboard, as well as acoustic guitar, electric guitar, mic, voice, and miscellaneous percussion instruments. I don’t have any hardware synths yet. In terms of apps I use a lot of them on regular basis since that’s kind of how I see AUM, I just use the pieces I need instead of having everything under one roof. Usually start with a template I have many saved, and setup, but not always. Typically my session has AUM, MidiMixer, and 4 instances of Atom, now Atom 2, a few Mozaic’s and then whatever synths, drum machines, samplers, etc I think will get me where I need to go, or want to go... I recently did the 9 app “challenge” thread so I posted a list of some of most used apps there. Also I started on an iPhone for two years then realized I need an iPad if I want to take this to the next level so about three years ago I got one. I’ve played guitar/Bass/sung in bands in high school and college, but was never formally trained. So I’ve only been using synths and drum machines for about 5 years. I did have a Boss DR-8 - 8 track digital recorder awhile back, with built in drum machine, and dabbled with some PC stuff, but it never really clicked for me on PC. Between learning software, installs, setups, etc. seemed to be cumbersome and honesty I never gave it the proper time. Then I began diving in with Apple Devices, starting small and easy and learning more as I went along, eventually finding my favorite way to work.

You’ve been on a journey! I remember having a cheapy midi controller, Midisport cable, and Fruity Loops. Humble beginnings...

Lol. This is true. But I’ve enjoyed it thoroughly.

Poppadocrock

@oat_phipps said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

Re: Loopy pro: You must've been pulling out of the driveway as you typed that

BM3 never quite clicked for me either, i was probably a little impatient, but I loved some of the features it had. There was something about the workflow of the app that never felt right for me.

Stuntman_mike

@Poppadocrock said:

@oat_phipps said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

Re: Loopy pro: You must've been pulling out of the driveway as you typed that

BM3 never quite clicked for me either, i was probably a little impatient, but I loved some of the features it had. There was something about the workflow of the app that never felt right for me.

Workflow is so important! I really like LK, but for some reason my brain disagrees with the workflow so I use Atom or LoopBud for MIDI looping.

tahiche

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@oat_phipps said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

Re: Loopy pro: You must've been pulling out of the driveway as you typed that

BM3 never quite clicked for me either, i was probably a little impatient, but I loved some of the features it had. There was something about the workflow of the app that never felt right for me.

Workflow is so important! I really like LK, but for some reason my brain disagrees with the workflow so I use Atom or LoopBud for MIDI looping.

Looks are important too!. I have a thing with BM3, to me it looks like it’s gonna break 😶 Weird, right?. Zenbeats on the other hand is ugly as hell but looks solid like an 80s drum machine. Drambo looks sturdy too, you can drop it from a considerable height.

reasOne

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

3 was rough for me at first, it didn’t click right away, but once i figured out how to do patterns i never looked back!

reasOne

@Stuntman_mike said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

I’m with @reasOne! BM3 is amazing. I have made many tracks in there in one go!

Of all the daws/hosts I’ve ever used bm3 has been the one I’ve finished the most racks in!

boomer

@dendy said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

since previous year autumn i'm hardware only (digitakt+digitone), before that all my music was made in NS2. With few exceptions i even didn't used any AU plugins, just NS2 bundled stuff. It just covers all my needs, i need one unified UI to be creative, switching between different apps, spending all the time by solving puzzles about proper routing of midi and audio between apps just kills my creativity... Tried various approaches but no matter what i try, i always end back in NS. I'm pretty sure, when i suck all available inspiration from Digitakt/Digitone, i will return back to NS again :-)

100% agree on NS2. Most everything I need is bundled in it. I like twiddling knobs and solving technical problems as much as anybody, but not when creating. Aside from lack of audio tracks, which I personally don’t need, I find it it to be hands down the best and most intuitive one app workflow in IOS. The sheer efficiency of it is astounding. My current project has 50+ tracks and it’s not bogging down at all. Obsidian is easily one of the best and most flexible synths out there. MIDI editing is precise and fast. It NEVER crashes. There is however some hopefully unfounded panic out there about it’s continued support. I will be lost if someday I don’t have it to return back to. Have I mentioned I really like NS2? 😀

Stuntman_mike

@tahiche said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@oat_phipps said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

Re: Loopy pro: You must've been pulling out of the driveway as you typed that

BM3 never quite clicked for me either, i was probably a little impatient, but I loved some of the features it had. There was something about the workflow of the app that never felt right for me.

Workflow is so important! I really like LK, but for some reason my brain disagrees with the workflow so I use Atom or LoopBud for MIDI looping.

Looks are important too!. I have a thing with BM3, to me it looks like it’s gonna break 😶 Weird, right?. Zenbeats on the other hand is ugly as hell but looks solid like an 80s drum machine. Drambo looks sturdy too, you can drop it from a considerable height.

Interesting perspective! My favorite interface or most inspiring is NS2, which may be strange to some. I find the UI to be easy to navigate, big and properly lit. I ALWAYS get something going in there very quickly. The developer got a lot right with NS2 and I feel like it is the most stable music app in the App Store.

Stuntman_mike

@reasOne said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

3 was rough for me at first, it didn’t click right away, but once i figured out how to do patterns i never looked back!

Yeah, patterns is the beginning of deep diving in BM3 and really creating a fun workflow!

Stuntman_mike

@reasOne said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

I’m with @reasOne! BM3 is amazing. I have made many tracks in there in one go!

Of all the daws/hosts I’ve ever used bm3 has been the one I’ve finished the most racks in!

Wow, me too! The original iPad music app still making waves eleven years later.

Stuntman_mike

@boomer said:

@dendy said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

since previous year autumn i'm hardware only (digitakt+digitone), before that all my music was made in NS2. With few exceptions i even didn't used any AU plugins, just NS2 bundled stuff. It just covers all my needs, i need one unified UI to be creative, switching between different apps, spending all the time by solving puzzles about proper routing of midi and audio between apps just kills my creativity... Tried various approaches but no matter what i try, i always end back in NS. I'm pretty sure, when i suck all available inspiration from Digitakt/Digitone, i will return back to NS again :-)

100% agree on NS2. Most everything I need is bundled in it. I like twiddling knobs and solving technical problems as much as anybody, but not when creating. Aside from lack of audio tracks, which I personally don’t need, I find it it to be hands down the best and most intuitive one app workflow in IOS. The sheer efficiency of it is astounding. My current project has 50+ tracks and it’s not bogging down at all. Obsidian is easily one of the best and most flexible synths out there. MIDI editing is precise and fast. It NEVER crashes. There is however some hopefully unfounded panic out there about it’s continued support. I will be lost if someday I don’t have it to return back to. Have I mentioned I really like NS2? 😀

TOUCHÉ NS2 has it right. Audio tracks would be a bonus, but I would almost pass on that feature if it compromises the stability NS2 has.

MisplacedDevelopment

@Stuntman_mike said:

@boomer said:

@dendy said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

since previous year autumn i'm hardware only (digitakt+digitone), before that all my music was made in NS2. With few exceptions i even didn't used any AU plugins, just NS2 bundled stuff. It just covers all my needs, i need one unified UI to be creative, switching between different apps, spending all the time by solving puzzles about proper routing of midi and audio between apps just kills my creativity... Tried various approaches but no matter what i try, i always end back in NS. I'm pretty sure, when i suck all available inspiration from Digitakt/Digitone, i will return back to NS again :-)

100% agree on NS2. Most everything I need is bundled in it. I like twiddling knobs and solving technical problems as much as anybody, but not when creating. Aside from lack of audio tracks, which I personally don’t need, I find it it to be hands down the best and most intuitive one app workflow in IOS. The sheer efficiency of it is astounding. My current project has 50+ tracks and it’s not bogging down at all. Obsidian is easily one of the best and most flexible synths out there. MIDI editing is precise and fast. It NEVER crashes. There is however some hopefully unfounded panic out there about it’s continued support. I will be lost if someday I don’t have it to return back to. Have I mentioned I really like NS2? 😀

TOUCHÉ NS2 has it right. Audio tracks would be a bonus, but I would almost pass on that feature if it compromises the stability NS2 has.

For tracks containing MIDI and audio then I have had no problems with the NS2 + MultiTrack Recorder combo. I can see why people would like the extra bells and whistles that you get from a DAW that offers integrated audio tracks but NS2 + MTR provides everything I would need to combine MIDI and audio so for me that part of the puzzle is as good as solved. I'm happy doing the polishing before I bring in the audio and unless the official NS2 solution provides good audio comping options then I would still do my recording elsewhere. I was pleasantly surprised to discover MTR even handles NS2 songs with multiple tempos.

Stuntman_mike

@MisplacedDevelopment said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@boomer said:

@dendy said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

since previous year autumn i'm hardware only (digitakt+digitone), before that all my music was made in NS2. With few exceptions i even didn't used any AU plugins, just NS2 bundled stuff. It just covers all my needs, i need one unified UI to be creative, switching between different apps, spending all the time by solving puzzles about proper routing of midi and audio between apps just kills my creativity... Tried various approaches but no matter what i try, i always end back in NS. I'm pretty sure, when i suck all available inspiration from Digitakt/Digitone, i will return back to NS again :-)

100% agree on NS2. Most everything I need is bundled in it. I like twiddling knobs and solving technical problems as much as anybody, but not when creating. Aside from lack of audio tracks, which I personally don’t need, I find it it to be hands down the best and most intuitive one app workflow in IOS. The sheer efficiency of it is astounding. My current project has 50+ tracks and it’s not bogging down at all. Obsidian is easily one of the best and most flexible synths out there. MIDI editing is precise and fast. It NEVER crashes. There is however some hopefully unfounded panic out there about it’s continued support. I will be lost if someday I don’t have it to return back to. Have I mentioned I really like NS2? 😀

TOUCHÉ NS2 has it right. Audio tracks would be a bonus, but I would almost pass on that feature if it compromises the stability NS2 has.

For tracks containing MIDI and audio then I have had no problems with the NS2 + MultiTrack Recorder combo. I can see why people would like the extra bells and whistles that you get from a DAW that offers integrated audio tracks but NS2 + MTR provides everything I would need to combine MIDI and audio so for me that part of the puzzle is as good as solved. I'm happy doing the polishing before I bring in the audio and unless the official NS2 solution provides good audio comping options then I would still do my recording elsewhere. I was pleasantly surprised to discover MTR even handles NS2 songs with multiple tempos.

I have Multitrack Recorder and never thought of using it in NS2 🤦‍♂️ 😂 I originally bought it to use in Drambo. I do enjoy doing arranging drum samples on a grid sometimes (BM3). I sometimes wish I could do that in NS2. Creating drum loops on a grid gives the loop a certain cut and paste vibe that’s hard to describe (maybe swing).

Poppadocrock

All valid points. Workflow is Definitely a personal choice, an individual thing based on many factors, there is no wrong way as long as you like it. One persons must have app is another persons “removed” for space app.

Stuntman_mike

@Poppadocrock said:
All valid points. Workflow is Definitely a personal choice, an individual thing based on many factors, there is no wrong way as long as you like it. One persons must have app is another persons “removed” for space app.

Yeah, sometimes I revisit what I delete and start using them 😆