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  • Oh wow, that's excellent! Thnx man

  • Will definitely show husband mention you when I do my walkthrough @craftycurate

  • edited March 2021

    @Gavinski said:
    Oh wow, that's excellent! Thnx man

    And and it can be done with polyrhythms too. Have notes on three tracks inside SPA, built on same principle, with different track lengths for endless variations, as long as the tracks lengths are mutually prime e.g. 7,11,13, it won't repeat for a very long time, and combined with the random elements, it can noodle along indefinitely.

    And them combine with a chord app like Tonality for Insta-Bach. Send chords into the SPA, SPA into something suitable and hey presto.

  • @craftycurate said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Oh wow, that's excellent! Thnx man

    And and it can be done with polyrhythms too. Have notes on three tracks inside SPA, built on same principle, with different track lengths for endless variations, as long as the tracks lengths are mutually prime e.g. 7,11,13, it won't repeat for a very long time, and combined with the random elements, it can noodle along indefinitely.

    And them combine with a chord app like Tonality for Insta-Bach. Send chords into the SPA, SPA into something suitable and hey presto.

    Yeah, funny enough, I am noodling with polythrythmic lanes doing just that right as I read ur message. Spa is amazing for getting endless grooves going

  • One thing I really enjoy is starting with one lane, copying it and pasting into another lane and doing some tweaks, and building from there. Absolutely incredible app that you can get lost in for days

  • edited March 2021

    It's a penguin cafe orchestra machine!

  • Pleased to hear you are going to bring your thoughtful thoughts to bear on this fine app. Laurent though, StepPolyArp and ChordPolyPad. Silly stuff.

  • @Gavinski said:
    It's a penguin cafe orchestra machine!

    Yup, and my latest preset is called AutoFugue, or maybe Fugomatic would be better. Or maybe Fugertronics, in homage to Robert Fripp. Or maybe Futja, which combines Fugue and Wotja ...

  • @JohnnyGoodyear thank you kind sir

    @craftycurate nice, I do kind of like the sound of Fugja a bit better though lol

  • Slightly off topic but the arpeggiators in iceGear apps are a real treat!
    I’ve not asked the dev for a dedicated arp-app yet but I might considering his crazy effects :)

    And yeah, Virsyn Arpeggist wold be a treat as an AUv3 as well!

    I’ll take yet another deep dive into StepPolyArp...
    ...and see what I find :)

    Thinking of automated house-paino patterns and melodies/leads/bass-lines etc based on the held notes, this is something Arpeggist & IceGear apps do very well and I suspect QuatiChord and SPA will deliver too...

  • @soundtemple (or anyone) one thing I don't understand. Let's day I want to use an instance or SPA To trigger pattern changes in another. So I set the controlling instance up to send modulation on cc20, and then a value of 1 will trigger pattern 1 and a value of 2 will trigger pattern 2, yes? But the problem is that step poly arp doesn't give me fine control of the values 1 to 127. And doesn't show me what value between 1 and 127 any mod event is sending. So how to I set these events with accuracy?

  • I would love to see a vid of one instance of spa sending pattern change messages to a 2nd instance

  • @Gavinski
    Nothing easier than that :smile:

    It is a bit fiddly though.
    In the manual it states cc#21 is for PatternChange

    So configure the 2nd SPA Instance to use that CC#

    And slowly raise the value for the CC on the desired steps - no notes needed at all

    See the small gap between the steps?
    The main-problem ist that we are dealing with values from 0-15 for PatternChange. The slider allows values from 0-127 (in MAX case). So dialing in single digit number is somewhat fiddly and ineffective.

    It would be great if Laurent would allow a new option to enter MIN/MAX Values for this kind of use-cases in this screen where we can choose between several options for the sliders (on the right side):

  • @MrBlaschke yes, it seems very fiddly. Thanks a lot for sharing! What is your preferred tool for sequencing midi cc outputs. It is something I have rarely used in this kind of very targeted way and I still don't feel well versed in it, cheers!

  • edited March 2021

    @Gavinski
    Well, i actually have used it this way a few times - but in general i write my own scripts in Mozaic to do stuff completely custom or, what i really like is using X2 (Xequence 2) to just do some „automated“ working in the background for such stuff, implementing random drum-fills on command, etc...My outcome is for dealing with such special „low byte“ numbers i usually write a script or try to find something appropriate where i can deal with such low values. It is not often that one can enter direct values for a specific CC. Somewhat unrecognized feature/issue i think - but, well, i do not know all apps that are available to judge on this. :smile:

    What i also did once was to script a converter in Mozaic to convert specific notes to specific CC numbers with specific values - that way you could do the same thing as done here using simple notes - but it needs preparation(s).

    I sadly have no „glued way“ to tell you but i hope this is informative for you anyway. I love doing such things and find solutions to problems - they might not be the most common but when finished thy don’t get „in the way“ of making music.

    Also send you a PM.

    Edit: One way i do CC handling i forgot is to just use the Digitakt for that. But that is way to far off for the iOS music forum :smile: But i wanted to mention it because you asked about my workflow.

  • @MrBlaschke said:
    @Gavinski
    Well, i actually have used it this way a few times - but in general i write my own scripts in Mozaic to do stuff completely custom or, what i really like is using X2 (Xequence 2) to just do some „automated“ working in the background for such stuff, implementing random drum-fills on command, etc...My outcome is for dealing with such special „low byte“ numbers i usually write a script or try to find something appropriate where i can deal with such low values. It is not often that one can enter direct values for a specific CC. Somewhat unrecognized feature/issue i think - but, well, i do not know all apps that are available to judge on this. :smile:

    What i also did once was to script a converter in Mozaic to convert specific notes to specific CC numbers with specific values - that way you could do the same thing as done here using simple notes - but it needs preparation(s).

    I sadly have no „glued way“ to tell you but i hope this is informative for you anyway. I love doing such things and find solutions to problems - they might not be the most common but when finished thy don’t get „in the way“ of making music.

    Also send you a PM.

    Edit: One way i do CC handling i forgot is to just use the Digitakt for that. But that is way to far off for the iOS music forum :smile: But i wanted to mention it because you asked about my workflow.

    Thnx Blaschke, and for your pm too. I guess for me maybe AUM Midi Mixer or Polyphase might be good choices, I’ll look into them first 🤝👍

  • I know not everyone is a fan, but CC sequencing with Drambo is very elegant. Just open Drambo in an Aum midi channel, and add a 'Midi CC Generator', and then point it whichever app. By holding a step in the sequencer and turning the knob of the desired CC, you can easily add a CC to be output on that step. Sequences can be more than 256 steps long, which should be more than enough to cover almost all needs. What Iike about it is it's very visual and easy to follow.

  • Stepbud not resizing well on my device, midi mixer is fiddly polyphase it is very hard to draw in low values accurately. Anyone else got an easy suggestion for drawing cc automation? At this rate I’d rather just switch patterns by hand lol

  • @Gavinski
    Sadly nope. I still think SPA Unit is the way to go as it is the „clearest“ and „cleanest“ solution on a sequenced/step-based track/composition/whatever.

    Otherwise my first thought was also „Mabe Drambo could do that in a convenient way“ like @aleyas mentioned. But then i find it quite „oversized“ for „that stuff“...

  • @Gavinski I messaged Laurent. He said re-trigger doesn’t work for current scene. :-(

    Meanwhile, I made a video for ya!. I owe you a few lol!!!

    KNTRL triggers synchronised scenes/patterns in LK, Drambo, Mozaic and Step Poly Arp unit

  • Thanks! @soundtemple so I just now figured out who you are. I am not sure I will have time to get my head round this to include it in my vid as I have an operation the day after tmrw and will be limited in the time I can spend on this spa vid. I wonder if you would like to throw me a copy of kntrl? I will be happy to link to or mention you if I end up using it whether in this or a future vid 👍

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Pleased to hear you are going to bring your thoughtful thoughts to bear on this fine app. Laurent though, StepPolyArp and ChordPolyPad. Silly stuff.

    Indeed, inspiring stuff.

    Thanks, @craftycurate for the detailed explanation. I learned something new about SPA!

  • edited March 2021

    I cannot get 'save the scale inside this pattern' working. Can anyone check if it is working for them?

    @aleyas thanks man, I have mostly made the vid now, I think I am going to mention the possibility of sequencing changes but not demo them, it has already turned into too much of a rabbit hole as it is lol, thanks tho buddy

  • @Gavinski No problems. I posted a link to a version of KNTRL in the first page of this topic that just does the Scene stuff. Its on Patch Storage. With either version you need to change line37 to send_cc21_for_spa=TRUE in order to make it work with SPA.

    Do you per chance have a Launchpad? The forthcoming version of KNTRL has a complete Launchpad integration. I'll send you a copy if keen?
    Good luck with the operation! I hope nothing too serious and we'll still recognise you afterwards!

  • @soundtemple said:
    @Gavinski No problems. I posted a link to a version of KNTRL in the first page of this topic that just does the Scene stuff. Its on Patch Storage. With either version you need to change line37 to send_cc21_for_spa=TRUE in order to make it work with SPA.

    Do you per chance have a Launchpad? The forthcoming version of KNTRL has a complete Launchpad integration. I'll send you a copy if keen?
    Good luck with the operation! I hope nothing too serious and we'll still recognise you afterwards!

    Thnx man, I saw this too late and have made my vid already now so won't get to feature kntrl this time, hopefully in another vid tho 🙏. About the op, the more salient question is will I recognize you 😂

  • @soundtemple said:
    @Gavinski No problems. I posted a link to a version of KNTRL in the first page of this topic that just does the Scene stuff. Its on Patch Storage. With either version you need to change line37 to send_cc21_for_spa=TRUE in order to make it work with SPA.

    Do you per chance have a Launchpad? The forthcoming version of KNTRL has a complete Launchpad integration. I'll send you a copy if keen?
    Good luck with the operation! I hope nothing too serious and we'll still recognise you afterwards!

    I don't have a launchpad but if there is anything new, sure fire it on to me. I saw ur early vid on knrtl and thought it looked excellent, but just didn't have time to explore as my eyes have been so fucked up that I was radically limiting screen time over the past month or more

  • @soundtemple said:
    @Gavinski No problems. I posted a link to a version of KNTRL in the first page of this topic that just does the Scene stuff. Its on Patch Storage. With either version you need to change line37 to send_cc21_for_spa=TRUE in order to make it work with SPA.

    Do you per chance have a Launchpad? The forthcoming version of KNTRL has a complete Launchpad integration. I'll send you a copy if keen?
    Good luck with the operation! I hope nothing too serious and we'll still recognise you afterwards!

    So if you changed it to send_cc10_for_?=TRUE with same code would it work to change snapshots in chord bud 2, even all the Bud apps really. I put a question mark cause I wasn’t sure of prope abbreviations. I’m not a coder so...

  • No it's not that clever!

    But it's easy to change so that it would send a different message eg cc10 if that's what chord bud uses. I'm out at the moment (waiting for a friend to turn up) so can't tell you exactly.

    Let me know if it's something you want to do and I'll sort it out.

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