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The airwaves are awash with ambient muck
Thats what someone said to me few days ago! she said there is too much same sounding crap, nothing new, just generative software regurgitating same old same old. she said it all been done before no pioneers and has become lazy music -and this girl a big Eno fan by the way
well I was not happy to hear this - makes me think is it worth to do if it all sounds the same with the tools I use. help me guys to get rid of these doubts!
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I like the alliteration of your title. Poetic.
Doubt is what artists experience when they are not being creative but are listening to their internal critic.
I wish I knew how to turn it off... I only know it's heaven when it does.
Now that I am older and listening back on lots of old music (internet and free music helps, whoot!) I have learned that the stuff I thought was new and inventive back in the day, kind of actually wasn’t, now that I hear it in context of what they were building off of.
Maybe she is just old. Tell her that.
She’s not wrong.
Especially if they literally mean ‘airwaves’.
I think it's true that a lot of ambient is kind of crap. Thing is, I think in many cases it is more fun to make / generate this stuff and listen as you generate than it is to listen back to. It's more interesting to meditate than to watch someone meditating too, btw 😛
I’m here to champion the crap. All hail the crap! Craptalicious! The day I make a well structured, catchy song with a pleasing verse, chorus, middle eight will be the day I realise... I have learnt too much
P.s.- and now I’m moving into modular. Different kit, same random crap. Except these ‘apps’ typically cost anywhere between £100 to £500 (or more) a pop. What could possibly go wrong?
Was her name Karen?
A lot of everything is crap, really. The cause is exactly that: that there is a lot of everything out there. It's also good, because it means almost anyone can "produce" music and put it out there; the democratisation of music making.
But this is the price, all that crap.
Photography is in the exact same position BTW, or probably worse.
It's also true that a lot of it is the same stuff. The other day another poster here linked to a lo-fi song, I clicked on it and was amazed when, after the song, the website continued to autoplay about a dozen other songs from different "artists" which were basically all clones of each other.
Could not have expressed this better. We are awash, indeed, in a tsunami of sound and imagery. And itks all available to more souls than ever before. This cannot be bad... except in the torrid extremes which can drive one mad.
I make very little ambient stuff, but, as I said on the oldsters thread, only your opinion matters wherein what you create... and Kim not talking about @McD’s bedeviling internal critic. To thine own self be true.
“Truth is beauty; beauty truth. That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know.” John Keats
Hmm... that would be a good song title...
🤣 @AudioGus destroying relationships one snark at a time.
OK, I can tell her.
Sturgeon’s Law: 90% of everything is crap.
Who do i believe? First I was told that ambient would take me to the top of the charts, now I’m told that it’s old news and hopelessly archaic.
@LinearLineman wins the thread with the Keats quote. Truth and beauty never go out of style.
That reminded me of an ancient lyric by Frank Zappa — who definitely would have some strong opinions on the state of music today.
“ Information is
not knowledge
Knowledge is
not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is THE BEST...
Wisdom is the domain
of the Wis
(which is extinct).
Beauty is a French
phonetic corruption
Of a short cloth
neck ornament
Currently in
resurgence...”
I guess problem is youtube is full of these videos that has people randomly layering synths with tons of reverb and delay and calling them ambient. A lot lack any real production and are just noodling
Ambient done right can be great
Damn - maybe I should give up on my mostly ambient album I’ve been putting together for the past couple years...
I agree with you @Gavinski - In that ambient music might be more fun to make. I don’t really listen to ambient music that much. Definitely spent more time making it than listening to other artists of that genre.
It’s the natural conclusion to the democratization of music production. There’s literally no barrier to entry now (case in point: you can make music on your phone w/ a free app). There’s no skill or sweat equity needed. Electronic music is mostly a hobby now. Social media and video streaming services have exasperated the situation. And as stated it’s not just a problem with “ambient” (whatever the hell that even means now???), it’s all music. I remember a recent Jeff Mills interview where he basically stated this (in a very polite way) and was crucified by peanut gallery. (“stop being mean!!!!!”)
Soul will always have soul.
If there is no soul, there won’t be soul.
Just abide by this simple equation and all paths will lead to Rome regardless of the forking paths in life 🙏🏼💕
Too true that every musical genre suffers from high chaff:wheat ratios - was always going to be the case in the era of anyone can have a go + instant, easy digital distribution. But zeroing in on the ‘ambient’ genre - particularly the part about the music being generated by algorithms - that reminds me of this older thread: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/34359/generative-apps-are-we-making-music-yet
Food for thought
well its good for therapy if nothing else anyway! https://www.vice.com/en/article/6azn7a/ambient-music-isnt-boring-it-changed-my-life so I will carry on making shit crap!
this how I felt a little bit but don't give up
thanks gus you just got me a black eye
she is in late 50s I think maybe 60s
no no no u got wrong end of the stick! gonna barf here! (and maybe record it granularize it stretch it pitch shift it loop it release it
)
shit man, you KNOW her??
@muzka “I guess problem is youtube is full of these videos that has people randomly layering synths with tons of reverb and delay and calling them ambient. A lot lack any real production and are just noodling”
Don’t forget the houseplants! YouTube has introduced new regulations now, whereby modular ambient porn HAS to contain houseplants.
It’s all so contrived isn’t it? I mean, is anyone’s workspace really that neat and clutter-free?
I know you're joking, but please don't give up, I love your stuff and I listen to your albums on Spotify
Personally I do listen to a lot of ambient music, I find it's the perfect soundtrack to work. Music with words is too distracting, especially if it's something I really like, because then I get swept up in the song. With an ambient soundtrack I find I concentrate better but still have some beautiful music to help me along.
Some ambient is definitely better than others, with more creative textures etc...
And personally, I'm just not a fan of generative music, it's just never that interesting. You need a human hand in there IMO. I've never heard an algorithmically generated track that wasn't ultimately boring. Sorry.
Music is music.
Music is good music to those who like it and shit music to those who don’t.
What what her opinion about your music?
And she is a creator of musical content. Or does she have a Masters in sound design. Spent years honing her craft, spent years plying before live audience?
This.
This is a recurring theme, right? I mean in the 90s, Klaus Schulze’s manager was railing against all the “bedroom musicians” taking away sales from KS.
Nice thread.
There’s shit ambient music and there’s shit pop, progressive, techno, edm or whatever style of music.
To me the difference is where people do “ambient” out of laziness. Now, don’t jump at me just yet. Be lazy!. It’s great, totally supportive of laziness and just closing your eyes and enjoying the drone.
Just have your expectations in check, don’t expect it to be very interesting for others when you drone for 6 minutes on a Fuguee preset. It’s great for users of this forum, they’ll love your Rozeta LFO modulating the granular amplitude of the latest synth... but take it “outside” and...
But you can do ambient with some intention to catch the listeners attention, then it’s no different to me than a pop or progressive rock or whatever song structure. But it requires the extra effort. And you can fail miserably.
It’s sad if you do a pop song no one listens to, it’s ok if you do ambient that no one listens to...
I agree. Totally respect it but I’m not that interested as a “listener” as I might be as a “tech” nerd.
Is all ambient just a machine doing it’s thing while you watch?. Definitely not.
Even if it is all a machine doing, it’s different when you’ve put in a lot of time and effort directing the coordinates and machine options, like Eno would do.