Helium AUv3 MIDI Sequencer by 4Pockets - Released

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Toastedghost

Thank you Paul your best update yet. Love the complexity dialog.

BillS

I appreciate this is built for AUM, but can you use it as an effect in say Cubasis? Could I put it on a midi drum track, use the long-press to audition feature on a midi file and hear the drum clip? Build a drum track from there?

MisplacedDevelopment

@BillS said:
I appreciate this is built for AUM, but can you use it as an effect in say Cubasis? Could I put it on a midi drum track, use the long-press to audition feature on a midi file and hear the drum clip? Build a drum track from there?

In theory you could. I have just tried with DigiStix and this works. There are a couple of caveats though:

1. The instrument that you use on the track will need to map the MIDI to its own instruments correctly. If not then you will either need a transformation script or tweak the notes or mapping in the plugin.
2. There is currently a bug I have with Steinberg where CB3 sometimes drops consecutive notes https://forums.steinberg.net/t/notes-dropped-when-generated-by-midi-plugins/720920 If you are using drum patterns then obviously there is a reasonable chance that you will hit this.

If the upcoming 3.3.1 CB patch fixes this bug then using Helium or Atom for this sort of thing should work but until that is fixed then I would not bother.

BillS

@MisplacedDevelopment said:

@BillS said:
I appreciate this is built for AUM, but can you use it as an effect in say Cubasis? Could I put it on a midi drum track, use the long-press to audition feature on a midi file and hear the drum clip? Build a drum track from there?

In theory you could. I have just tried with DigiStix and this works. There are a couple of caveats though:

1. The instrument that you use on the track will need to map the MIDI to its own instruments correctly. If not then you will either need a transformation script or tweak the notes or mapping in the plugin.
2. There is currently a bug I have with Steinberg where CB3 sometimes drops consecutive notes https://forums.steinberg.net/t/notes-dropped-when-generated-by-midi-plugins/720920 If you are using drum patterns then obviously there is a reasonable chance that you will hit this.

If the upcoming 3.3.1 CB patch fixes this bug then using Helium or Atom for this sort of thing should work but until that is fixed then I would not bother.

Excellent advice, thank you. Going off topic, but still on drums...I own EG Pulse - is it possible to import midi files into that? Such a great app, but I struggle composing decent beats

lukesleepwalker

Did Paul do an update video for the latest release? I’m not seeing it on his channel.

NimboStratus

Sorry if this has been asked before but I understand you can record CC BUT can I enter in specific CCs manually to send the CCs from Helium or PCs so I can use Helium to change parameters/patches etc in another AUV3 app?

MisplacedDevelopment

@NimboStratus said:
Sorry if this has been asked before but I understand you can record CC BUT can I enter in specific CCs manually to send the CCs from Helium or PCs so I can use Helium to change parameters/patches etc in another AUV3 app?

Sure:

NimboStratus

@MisplacedDevelopment said:

@NimboStratus said:
Sorry if this has been asked before but I understand you can record CC BUT can I enter in specific CCs manually to send the CCs from Helium or PCs so I can use Helium to change parameters/patches etc in another AUV3 app?

Sure:

Ah so I can manually add CC10 value 1 at bar 40 and CC10 value 2 at bat 60 etc etc etc and it will send that out on a midi channel to another AUv3 app and there doesn’t need to be a specific note. So can use Helium as a fully automated CC sender to control/orchestrate the other AUV3 apps?

Also is it easy t select a value of 1 or 2 etc is would that be too fiddly, does it show you the actual value chosen?

Thanks

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@NimboStratus said:

Ah so I can manually add CC10 value 1 at bar 40 and CC10 value 2 at bat 60 etc etc etc and it will send that out on a midi channel to another AUv3 app and there doesn’t need to be a specific note. So can use Helium as a fully automated CC sender to control/orchestrate the other AUV3 apps?

Also is it easy t select a value of 1 or 2 etc is would that be too fiddly, does it show you the actual value chosen?

Thanks

You can add them to the timeline without needing to add notes, yes. It is a little fiddly to select CC values, you just drag up and down and a number is displayed. It is easy to accidentally change the number as you lift your finger so you need to be careful.

I have not really found an editor which satisfactorily lets you enter CC values like this. If you can handle the minor latency hit then I would recommend using a StreamByter or Mozaic script to convert note values to CC values as it is much easier to add notes to something like Helium or Atom and have them converted en route to your destination. Let me know if you would like to try this as I have a StreamByter script I use for Program Control messages. The other advantage is that you can trigger CCs at the same point in time if necessary, which is not possible, or not easy, using most automation editors.

Helium is on sale this weekend in case you were not aware

NimboStratus

Cool! Purchased!! Will have a play but thinking your suggestion of Mozaic might work also. Thanks!!!

Oh and is Mozaic more “standard” than streambyter?

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@NimboStratus said:
Cool! Purchased!! Will have a play but thinking your suggestion of Mozaic might work also. Thanks!!!

Oh and is Mozaic more “standard” than streambyter?

Neither is standard and both have developer and community support behind them. I think StreamByter is free. Mozaic costs money but offers things which StreamByter does not such as a UI which you can use to assign your own function to. Check out the patchstorage page, there are lots of scripts here that people would happily pay money for if they were AppStore apps so you are getting your money’s worth!

https://patchstorage.com/platform/mozaic/

MAtrixplan

Purchased but I can’t see it in AUM 😭

lasselu

Start it standalone first...that worked for me...

NimboStratus

So added CC10 automation with values 0,1,2,3 in Helium. Wired up to SnakeBud and not seeing the patch change. This might be a SnakeBud issue. BUT need to create music now so working on some other piece. will report back.

Jumpercollins

Janosax

@_ki said:
@tpj Helium records CCs, but be aware that it uses a fixed resolution of 1/16 for all expression regardless of the grid settings. 1/16 is a bit too coarse in my opinion, it should go down to 1/64 to have multiple values for short notes.

Recording of pitchbend seem to work with a finer resolution, but when editing it changes the overwritten values to 1/16th.

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I did send a support email about two weeks ago, but didn‘t hear back from the dev. Also reported a pinch zoom offset bug which is still present after 3 updates since then. Helium is not zooming into the center between the two fingers, but to the right touch position. If one touches left and right of some notes and then pinch-zooms in, the notes are moved out to the left side

Is CC recording still limited to 1/16th resolution?

ervin

Good people of the forum, is there a downloadable version of the Helium manual? Or is it "this is 4pockets we're talking about, read it in the app, come on what were you thinking?"

Thanks!

NimboStratus

I’d really like to see an option to make the automation window large so you can set values easier. Helium does seem like a good option to send CCs to other AUV3s but hard to dial in values. Crazy there isn’t a something really good to send CCs but Helium seems to be the best option (if I can get it to work)

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@Janosax said:

@_ki said:
@tpj Helium records CCs, but be aware that it uses a fixed resolution of 1/16 for all expression regardless of the grid settings. 1/16 is a bit too coarse in my opinion, it should go down to 1/64 to have multiple values for short notes.

Recording of pitchbend seem to work with a finer resolution, but when editing it changes the overwritten values to 1/16th.

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I did send a support email about two weeks ago, but didn‘t hear back from the dev. Also reported a pinch zoom offset bug which is still present after 3 updates since then. Helium is not zooming into the center between the two fingers, but to the right touch position. If one touches left and right of some notes and then pinch-zooms in, the notes are moved out to the left side

Is CC recording still limited to 1/16th resolution?

There is a separate quantisation setting for controllers and the resolution seems to match whatever this is set to:

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@ervin said:
Good people of the forum, is there a downloadable version of the Helium manual? Or is it "this is 4pockets we're talking about, read it in the app, come on what were you thinking?"

Thanks!

that second thing sadly.

_ki

@MisplacedDevelopment How could i not see that new Quantize icon in the controller dialog ?

Thanks a lot for the screenshot !

MisplacedDevelopment

@Jumpercollins said:

Some nice changes in there. I like the undo snapshot and alternate piano roll, would be good if this is extended to be user-configurable.

Janosax

@MisplacedDevelopment said:

@Janosax said:

@_ki said:
@tpj Helium records CCs, but be aware that it uses a fixed resolution of 1/16 for all expression regardless of the grid settings. 1/16 is a bit too coarse in my opinion, it should go down to 1/64 to have multiple values for short notes.

Recording of pitchbend seem to work with a finer resolution, but when editing it changes the overwritten values to 1/16th.

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I did send a support email about two weeks ago, but didn‘t hear back from the dev. Also reported a pinch zoom offset bug which is still present after 3 updates since then. Helium is not zooming into the center between the two fingers, but to the right touch position. If one touches left and right of some notes and then pinch-zooms in, the notes are moved out to the left side

Is CC recording still limited to 1/16th resolution?

There is a separate quantisation setting for controllers and the resolution seems to match whatever this is set to:

Super cool thanks !!

NimboStratus

What is the ‘control out’ used for? I’ve set up cc10 sends to another AUv3 and it works If I use the midi port 1 out but not the control out. So wondering what it’s for?

RajahP

@MisplacedDevelopment said:

@Jumpercollins said:

Some nice changes in there. I like the undo snapshot and alternate piano roll, would be good if this is extended to be user-configurable.

Love the Random Probability thing.. update pending.. Nice..

MisplacedDevelopment

@NimboStratus said:
What is the ‘control out’ used for? I’ve set up cc10 sends to another AUv3 and it works If I use the midi port 1 out but not the control out. So wondering what it’s for?

I don’t think it has really been explained fully yet. I believe it can be used in Song Mode for triggering other 4pockets apps by sending the signals they expect, such as triggering MultiTrack Recorder. For now probably best to ignore it.

NimboStratus

It would be great if the width of the automation line was the same width as the quantisation. For example if the automation quantisation is a bar make the width of the automation line also one bar. At the mo it’s very hard to set accurate values

MisplacedDevelopment

@NimboStratus agreed. A way of double-tapping to manually enter the value or a separate button you could hold down to make finer drag edits would be useful.