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Fabfilter Timeless 3

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  • @BCKeys said:

    @jolico said:

    @BCKeys said:
    To me, it shows that FabFilter cares about its products and customer satisfaction more than easy money... offering an application that focuses so much on the visual and user experience on a phone makes no sense 😕

    I will buy this delay even if I’m not a delay user, or very rarely. I just love FabFilter products and I know that the day I need a delay, I won’t be disappointed. 🥰

    Idunno. Doesn’t Toneboosters, DDMF, Brambos, BeepStreet etc. care about us?

    It’s like comparing GarageBand and Logic, 2 apps, 1 engine, but 2 separate worlds :)

    I truely understand that you are disappointed (and I advocate for universal access to music) but I also understand that FabFilter values its high-end reputation and focus on what they think is the best screen size to get the best out of their products.

    I'm not saying that BeepStreet doesn't respect its customers, on the contrary I think he’s certainly the best programmer on iPad. I only use Zeeon from time to time but I am always impressed by the quality, everything is smooth, well thought out, clean, and it passes all iOS versions without any bug. Really impressive ! Not to forget he developed his apps for mobile use ;)

    The UI of DDMF plugins can be easily reduced to a small size without any loss on the user experience.

    I don’t know Brambos apps.

    And Toneboosters.. hmmm moneymakers... what can I say except I think that they were inspired by the success of FabFilter and they use Behringer R&D/sales technics. It means that FF could bring it to iPhone if they want to, but I guess they don’t for the reasons exposed above.

    FF plugins are just primarily designed for the desktop, on screens that users like to have larger and larger 🙂

    I'm gonna bring the wrath down on me again 😓😊

    Nah, we’re all adults here….
    WHAT??? Behringer??? How dare you???

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  • edited May 2021

    @BCKeys said:

    @jolico said:

    @BCKeys said:

    @jolico said:

    @BCKeys said:
    To me, it shows that FabFilter cares about its products and customer satisfaction more than easy money... offering an application that focuses so much on the visual and user experience on a phone makes no sense 😕

    I will buy this delay even if I’m not a delay user, or very rarely. I just love FabFilter products and I know that the day I need a delay, I won’t be disappointed. 🥰

    Idunno. Doesn’t Toneboosters, DDMF, Brambos, BeepStreet etc. care about us?

    It’s like comparing GarageBand and Logic, 2 apps, 1 engine, but 2 separate worlds :)

    I truely understand that you are disappointed (and I advocate for universal access to music) but I also understand that FabFilter values its high-end reputation and focus on what they think is the best screen size to get the best out of their products.

    I'm not saying that BeepStreet doesn't respect its customers, on the contrary I think he’s certainly the best programmer on iPad. I only use Zeeon from time to time but I am always impressed by the quality, everything is smooth, well thought out, clean, and it passes all iOS versions without any bug. Really impressive ! Not to forget he developed his apps for mobile use ;)

    The UI of DDMF plugins can be easily reduced to a small size without any loss on the user experience.

    I don’t know Brambos apps.

    And Toneboosters.. hmmm moneymakers... what can I say except I think that they were inspired by the success of FabFilter and they use Behringer R&D/sales technics. It means that FF could bring it to iPhone if they want to, but I guess they don’t for the reasons exposed above.

    FF plugins are just primarily designed for the desktop, on screens that users like to have larger and larger 🙂

    I'm gonna bring the wrath down on me again 😓😊

    Nah, we’re all adults here….
    WHAT??? Behringer??? How dare you???

    Im gonna be honest, I am in favor of what Behringer is doing... always for the same reasons, music access for everyone, the price of music instruments is shamefully too high.

    Everybody’s gotta eat. But agreed - more access is so important.

  • @jolico said:

    @ecou said:

    @jolico said:
    Everyone here saying iOS instead of iPadOS.
    You get my hopes up and then extreme disappointment when I find out it’s only for pads.

    Are you iPhone only?

    Yes, but much worse than you think.
    I’m only producing and mastering with an old iPhone 6S.

    Wow! I could never do that, way too small. Too much scrolling. Hats off to you 🎩

  • Well that’s the last delay I’m ever going to need. Super stoked for this after how awesome Saturn 2 was

  • edited May 2021

    @BCKeys said:

    @jolico said:

    @BCKeys said:

    @jolico said:

    @BCKeys said:
    To me, it shows that FabFilter cares about its products and customer satisfaction more than easy money... offering an application that focuses so much on the visual and user experience on a phone makes no sense 😕

    I will buy this delay even if I’m not a delay user, or very rarely. I just love FabFilter products and I know that the day I need a delay, I won’t be disappointed. 🥰

    Idunno. Doesn’t Toneboosters, DDMF, Brambos, BeepStreet etc. care about us?

    It’s like comparing GarageBand and Logic, 2 apps, 1 engine, but 2 separate worlds :)

    I truely understand that you are disappointed (and I advocate for universal access to music) but I also understand that FabFilter values its high-end reputation and focus on what they think is the best screen size to get the best out of their products.

    I'm not saying that BeepStreet doesn't respect its customers, on the contrary I think he’s certainly the best programmer on iPad. I only use Zeeon from time to time but I am always impressed by the quality, everything is smooth, well thought out, clean, and it passes all iOS versions without any bug. Really impressive ! Not to forget he developed his apps for mobile use ;)

    The UI of DDMF plugins can be easily reduced to a small size without any loss on the user experience.

    I don’t know Brambos apps.

    And Toneboosters.. hmmm moneymakers... what can I say except I think that they were inspired by the success of FabFilter and they use Behringer R&D/sales technics. It means that FF could bring it to iPhone if they want to, but I guess they don’t for the reasons exposed above.

    FF plugins are just primarily designed for the desktop, on screens that users like to have larger and larger 🙂

    I'm gonna bring the wrath down on me again 😓😊

    Nah, we’re all adults here….
    WHAT??? Behringer??? How dare you???

    Im gonna be honest, I am in favor of what Behringer is doing... always for the same reasons, music access for everyone, the price of music instruments is shamefully too high.

    I don’t know if it goes deeper and ickier than the surface of copying old stuff and selling it for cut-rates since Behringer is so rich, but even if it does, I don’t truly care. None of their products has ever caught my eye, but they at least have acknowledged and pumped out products for the huge nostalgia market for vintage analog. Unlike say, Roland (how does a modernized-retro Juno not exist, even at a premium price point. Sure, just keep on pumping out generic 88-key workstations.) Again, not sure of build quality, but what they’re doing allowed an old music buddy who barely makes ends meet with wife and kids the opportunity to have a real hardware synth to play with when he can find the time, and he’s thrilled about it.

  • edited May 2021

    Can’t wait to modulate that pitch knob with a stepped xLFO for easy guitar arpeggios. Then rig up an envelope follower to quickly duck out the feedback when a new note is played then ramped back up. Ping-ponged of course. Aw yeah. This is the first product I’ve truly been impatient for in years.

  • @BCKeys i read it was the other way round - that Toneboosters’ DSP was an influence for FabFilter? Might just be rumours though. Even so, Mr Toneboosters has been in the game a long time and is seen as one of the leading DSP developers.

  • I'm looking forward to UVI releasing Relayer one day. Should be just a matter of time, after Sparkverb 😉

  • The analogy of Toneboosters and Behringer might be a bit off the mark. TB is not a copy machine. I am looking forward to Timeless making it to iPadOS.

  • desktop version is out

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  • @vasilymilovidov said:
    desktop version is out

    It looks really really stunning. Insta buy for me when it comes out on ios. The Pitch shift effect alone ist pure genius.

  • Good lord, I hope this is out within the month. I was close to buying another delay guitar pedal yesterday then I thought, why?

  • @oat_phipps said:
    Good lord, I hope this is out within the month. I was close to buying another delay guitar pedal yesterday then I thought, why?

    The experience with this plugin is not pedal like
    I.e , Timeless 2, it can’t do simple at times

    It’s quite involved also

    Dub station iOS and echoboy (Mac) are my favs

  • As an exception to the amazing FabFilter plugins, I found Timeless 2 hard to use and very unintuitive .

  • @tahiche said:
    As an exception to the amazing FabFilter plugins, I found Timeless 2 hard to use and very unintuitive .

    I agree, the gui in the new version is much better :)

  • @tahiche said:
    As an exception to the amazing FabFilter plugins, I found Timeless 2 hard to use and very unintuitive .

    Timeless 3 looks way more intuitive though

  • This delay is a delight !

  • I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

  • Yep! Although it makes my sessions not as dense

    @NeuM said:
    I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    Yep! Although it makes my sessions not as dense

    @NeuM said:
    I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

    I’ve also found that if I try to use more than one instance of a specific reverb or delay (say, the BLEASS delay) within a project it’ll crash my project in GarageBand. But if I use multiple delays or reverbs from different developers, I can get as many as 3 different ones in a project.

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  • @BCKeys said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Yep! Although it makes my sessions not as dense

    @NeuM said:
    I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

    For me they are the lightest, I use them in quantity without any restriction, and I have no problem. I use GarageBand.

    Interesting. I find that certain FabFilter apps are so resource hungry they will actually slow down the audio on a track, causing a fraction of a second unintentional delay because it cannot process it fast enough.

  • @NeuM said:

    @BCKeys said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Yep! Although it makes my sessions not as dense

    @NeuM said:
    I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

    For me they are the lightest, I use them in quantity without any restriction, and I have no problem. I use GarageBand.

    Interesting. I find that certain FabFilter apps are so resource hungry they will actually slow down the audio on a track, causing a fraction of a second unintentional delay because it cannot process it fast enough.

    Without dropouts/crackles? Not saying that it's not it, but it sounds more like latency such as what you get with look-ahead limiters

  • @NoiseFloored said:

    @NeuM said:

    @BCKeys said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Yep! Although it makes my sessions not as dense

    @NeuM said:
    I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

    For me they are the lightest, I use them in quantity without any restriction, and I have no problem. I use GarageBand.

    Interesting. I find that certain FabFilter apps are so resource hungry they will actually slow down the audio on a track, causing a fraction of a second unintentional delay because it cannot process it fast enough.

    Without dropouts/crackles? Not saying that it's not it, but it sounds more like latency such as what you get with look-ahead limiters

    Right. No crackling. No dropouts. Just delayed audio as if all processing resources are being taxed to their limits.

  • _ki_ki
    edited May 2021

    @NeuM My iPad Pro was able to run about 200 instances of FF ProQ 3 with 2 filters running in each instance, so i wouldn‘t say it‘s resource hungry. Which of the FFs are we talking about ?

    As already mentioned, some of them are using latency compensation, not all AUv3 hosts support this.

    AUM correctly delays the output of the other tracks, tap the battery icon for current session latency. For instance Pro L2 will add ~60ms. This doesn‘t mean its resource-hungry, one can add tons of L2 instances - its the algorythm used. With AUM you won‘t notice this look-ahead delay, as AUM compensates it.

    The only time you could notice the delay (off all tracks) would be if playing live keyboards. That‘s why some types of plugins should only be added to a final mix.

  • _ki_ki
    edited May 2021

    Some algorythms like compressors or limiters need to analyse the audio, for instance for peaks. Since they already need to react at the time the peak happens, the delay their output buffer - that way they can analyse what ‚will happen in the next xx msecs“ and still react on the instant it is happening (like looking ahead in time).

    FF plugins correctly announce this delay to the host, so that the host is able to compensate by delaying the other parallel running tracks. This even works for complicated mixing tree‘s with several plugins producing latency- the overall output is still in sync.

    For Pro-C2, Pro-MB, Pro-DS one can toggle the look-a-head, but without it the compressors can‘t act on superfast loudness spikes. Pro L2 doesn‘t offer such a toggle, its needed for its work.

    .

    Garageband doesn‘t support latency compensation - so a track with a plugin using this technique may sound out of sync - so you better switch off the look-a-head.

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  • @BCKeys said:

    @NeuM said:

    @BCKeys said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Yep! Although it makes my sessions not as dense

    @NeuM said:
    I do like the option of having all of the FabFilter apps for iOS, but I also find them rather resource hungry compared to other options, so I have to pick and choose depending on the complexity of each project.

    For me they are the lightest, I use them in quantity without any restriction, and I have no problem. I use GarageBand.

    Interesting. I find that certain FabFilter apps are so resource hungry they will actually slow down the audio on a track, causing a fraction of a second unintentional delay because it cannot process it fast enough.

    Ouch .. I never experienced any delays, as @NoiseFloored mentioned it could be another problem ? I’m not an expert at all, but FF filters offer me a really good experience.

    I believe that each one of us observes problems more or less explicable and in any case isolated... for example, when I record my guitar with my Apogee Jam 96k, I observe an advance on time... yes yes, an advance! Usually we observe problems of latency and therefore delay, in my case it is an advance of a few milliseconds and I have no idea where it comes from!

    Especially since I don't have this problem with other DAWs.

    The only solution I found is to use something like AmpliTube via IAA, and then I have no more problems. Weird huh 😁

    It really is weird. It’s so interesting that even people with similar setups can experience so many different issues.

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