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The WWDC 2021 Thread! Post your Predictions, Wishes, Updates & More!

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  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
    edited June 2021

    delete

  • NeuMNeuM

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    From looking at the state of the platform and what I can see of the new API's, the building of apps on the iPad happens on the device, can upload apps to app store connect for release and TestFlight, does require a dev account. The big limitation is that it appears to be limited to Swift and SwiftUI only. That makes for some pretty narrow possibilities.

    It's a start, but only a start.

    It looks like I didn't get the thing I wanted either. There is a new SDK for doing audio drivers in user space, but everything I see says it is macOS only. Maybe it'll come later, but not for now at least.

    I don’t know if this would be a valid suggestion or not, but it could be an interesting programming challenge to see how much of a usable app you could create only using an iPad Pro?

    It depends on what other libraries are there, but you might even be able to get away doing some MIDI applications. It'd be interesting to see, but I really don't like SwiftUI.

    Are you a hardcore C++ programmer?

    :D No. There's a thread on here somewhere where I mention how much I hate C++. I do actually like Swift. What I don't like is SwiftUI.

    I see. Understood.

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @wim said:

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    From looking at the state of the platform and what I can see of the new API's, the building of apps on the iPad happens on the device, can upload apps to app store connect for release and TestFlight, does require a dev account. The big limitation is that it appears to be limited to Swift and SwiftUI only. That makes for some pretty narrow possibilities.

    It's a start, but only a start.

    It looks like I didn't get the thing I wanted either. There is a new SDK for doing audio drivers in user space, but everything I see says it is macOS only. Maybe it'll come later, but not for now at least.

    I don’t know if this would be a valid suggestion or not, but it could be an interesting programming challenge to see how much of a usable app you could create only using an iPad Pro?

    It depends on what other libraries are there, but you might even be able to get away doing some MIDI applications. It'd be interesting to see, but I really don't like SwiftUI.

    Are you a hardcore C++ programmer?

    You don't need to be to dislike SwiftUI.

    It has it's upsides, but several useful aspects parts of the previous UIKit haven't made it to Swift yet. I dither between the two of them. UIKit can get confusing fast, but SwiftUI is cumbersome in different ways.

    I've never even tried to do UI in C++ and I can't say I'm fond of SwiftUI either.

    Yeah. The really neat thing about SwiftUI is the way it is integrated into Xcode. Part of what makes this possible is the way SwiftUI is very declarative, but that has implications about how you need to program that makes the kind of apps I do more confused. But, I don't really use the graphical layout tools in Xcode anymore either because they've gotten messy. SwiftUI is actually much better in this regard. It depends a lot on what you are trying to program.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    Underwhelmed if he was expecting hardware announcements maybe. This is a DEVELOPER event. That’s it!

  • realdaweirealdawei

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    ah yes…another victim of the product that resembles a scam 😝

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    From looking at the state of the platform and what I can see of the new API's, the building of apps on the iPad happens on the device, can upload apps to app store connect for release and TestFlight, does require a dev account. The big limitation is that it appears to be limited to Swift and SwiftUI only. That makes for some pretty narrow possibilities.

    It's a start, but only a start.

    It looks like I didn't get the thing I wanted either. There is a new SDK for doing audio drivers in user space, but everything I see says it is macOS only. Maybe it'll come later, but not for now at least.

    I don’t know if this would be a valid suggestion or not, but it could be an interesting programming challenge to see how much of a usable app you could create only using an iPad Pro?

    It depends on what other libraries are there, but you might even be able to get away doing some MIDI applications. It'd be interesting to see, but I really don't like SwiftUI.

    Are you a hardcore C++ programmer?

    :D No. There's a thread on here somewhere where I mention how much I hate C++. I do actually like Swift. What I don't like is SwiftUI.

    I see. Understood.

    I should also mention that as much as I dislike C++, every app I have out there except LRC7 is about 50% C++. (LRC7 is an experiment to try out using only C for almost all of the DSP stuff.) C++ is really hard to beat still for what it does well.

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    OK....this did make me lulz a bit....

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    OK....this did make me lulz a bit....

    Haha. Here’s their excuse why there’s no calculator app in the iPad:

    https://fossbytes.com/why-ipads-dont-have-default-calculator-app/

    Personally, I find this excuse entirely unconvincing.

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    @NeuM said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    OK....this did make me lulz a bit....

    Haha. Here’s their excuse why there’s no calculator app in the iPad:

    https://fossbytes.com/why-ipads-dont-have-default-calculator-app/

    Personally, I find this excuse entirely unconvincing.

    Plersonally, i love how many calculator apps are subscription based. :/

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @NeuM said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @sch said:
    Damned disappointing that there was no discussion of improvements to the Files app, such as being able to see operation progress, see external drive capacity etc.

    No mention of it but they did make some changes

    Awesome! Very nice. That’s the kind of refinement that doesn’t need to be mentioned in a keynote unless you want to put your audience to sleep, but it’s very welcome for users.

    Whoot, I’ll take it! Wasn’t expecting anything.

  • CamblerCambler

    Honestly, are people really complaining after buying an M1 iPad on day 1, knowing that WWDC was coming up?

  • Jusch1995Jusch1995

    @Cambler said:
    Honestly, are people really complaining after buying an M1 iPad on day 1, knowing that WWDC was coming up?

    Yeah I don’t get all the people who return their device. Yes wwdc was underwhealming but we knew that would be a possibility. The new iPad is still the best Tablet out there (but of course the best bang for your buck seems to be a user 2018 pro right now)

  • richardyotrichardyot

    I get the disappointment though - the hardware just seems to be miles ahead of the software at this point.

    Personally I think the biggest thing holding the platform back is the App Store not having some mechanism for devs to offer paid upgrades for their apps. It means that it's simply not profitable for devs to keep their apps in active development, and the only alternative model is to go subscription, at which point the pitchforks come out.

  • CamblerCambler

    @Jusch1995 said:

    @Cambler said:
    Honestly, are people really complaining after buying an M1 iPad on day 1, knowing that WWDC was coming up?

    Yeah I don’t get all the people who return their device. Yes wwdc was underwhealming but we knew that would be a possibility. The new iPad is still the best Tablet out there (but of course the best bang for your buck seems to be a user 2018 pro right now)

    Agreed. I was waiting for WWDC before indulging in one of the new Pros and I'm still going ahead with the idea. Would have loved to see some extras for the M1's but I think it will come and at the end of the day, the sheer processing power for music production is a win.

  • SamuSamu

    The 'Focus' feature might actually be pretty handy as it allows one to create different set of 'home screens'.
    So a 'Music Focus' could turn off notification for all non-music, calls etc and hide apps that have nothing to do with music.

    So when setting focus to 'Music' all distracting apps will be hidden :D
    (I will skip iPadOS15 betas but will install it on my iPad Air 2 once it's out of beta).

  • vasilymilovidovvasilymilovidov

    at least hammerhead is coming next thursday. what more do we need, right?

  • david_2017david_2017

    16 GB of RAM 🤔 we all thought the story was until WWDC not fully told

  • SamuSamu

    @vasilymilovidov said:
    at least hammerhead is coming next thursday. what more do we need, right?

    +1 looking forward to it!
    FAC Drumkit on Friday and I guess TB Polyphony not so long after that :)
    (The Drambo betas will keep me busy so no super rush to get the new stuff hehe).

  • vasilymilovidovvasilymilovidov

    @Samu said:

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    (The Drambo betas will keep me busy so no super rush to get the new stuff hehe).

    how i envy you

  • SamuSamu

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    @Samu said:

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    (The Drambo betas will keep me busy so no super rush to get the new stuff hehe).

    how i envy you

    I guess you've got a bunch of apps under testing as well right? :)

  • vasilymilovidovvasilymilovidov

    @Samu said:

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    @Samu said:

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    (The Drambo betas will keep me busy so no super rush to get the new stuff hehe).

    how i envy you

    I guess you've got a bunch of apps under testing as well right? :)

    there’s always another strong fix just out of reach…

  • SamuSamu

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    there’s always another strong fix just out of reach…

    That's true...
    Sometimes testing simpler apps can be more fun to be honest...
    Not saying D is not fun to test but it can be energy draining at times :)

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    For one time I bet correctly cancelling my order✌️✌️✌️

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    And this is why they hype the hardware before the software to get the sales in first...

    Disappointing but on the bright side iOS is great for what it does with AUv3 and audio (wish it was like this when I started messing with it), so it's also good to look at the amazing state of what you can do with it in 2021, So I count myself lucky to have this creative tool. :)

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @richardyot said:
    I get the disappointment though - the hardware just seems to be miles ahead of the software at this point.

    The engineers I work with do say this is good for battery/hardware lifespan. Why destroy your ipad playing Lego Brawlers?

  • celtic_elkceltic_elk

    @Carnbot said:
    And this is why they hype the hardware before the software to get the sales in first...

    Alternately: y'all keep projecting your expectations onto Apple based on the hardware, and then being disappointed when they don't produce things that they never actually promised. To borrow someone's analogy from earlier in the thread, the car was quite obviously locked in the backyard when you bought it; if you assumed that the keys to the gate were forthcoming, that's on you.

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    I'm pretty sure that in four or five years there's going to be lots of complaining about how these M1 iPads are too slow and can't keep up.

    Most devs haven't even had any time to see what they can do with them yet. The power will be used and I don't think it'll take very long either.

  • TarekithTarekith

    I think part of the problem is that they still need to support some rather older iPads now.

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  • krassmannkrassmann
    edited June 2021

    I still can't believe that this is the last word on it. Ithink we all agree that the hardware specs of the M1 iPads do not make sense for iPadOS 15. I mean why should Apple build a device that does not make sense to the consumers? If you can not utilize the 16 GB M1 then people will just not buy it and rather get an iPad Air 4. So I still have hope.

    I think Apple needs probably more time for a real convertible that is living up to their standards. I just wonder which approach they will take. Evolve iPadOS in direction of MacOS capabilities? That's probably not feasible for weaker iPads. Create a touch variant of MacOS? Will not make MacOS software touch compatible. Difficult.

    But do I have time to wait? I mean I love the touch operation and I have a huge investment in music apps. But I honestly think about returning my iPad Pro 11 1TB and buy an MacBook Air plus an iPad Air 4 for almost the same money.

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