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  • There's a free app for that ;)
    https://burns.ca/spectrum.html

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    But cheap. A Microfreak for my rack for around £120? I’m in.

  • Shameless.

  • Oh, is stuff like this why people hate behringer?

  • i have to give it to behringer, their quality control is top-notch — you instantly want to punch this guy.

  • Is behringer like the dad sneaker of synths?

    This reminds me of that we have Mac Donald’s at home meme.

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    I like that they've put an oscilloscope in it. Been wanting one for time.

    Wonder what it's like? I'll wait for the loopop video.

  • Seems more "aligned" with https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/plaits/. Uglier but $110 cheaper. Bet they'll sell like hotcakes.

  • I believe this is actually based on Plaits which is both open source (MIT) and open hardware. I also think that Behringer have extended the functionality at least a little bit (USB?).

    What they are doing is both in the spirit of and the intention of the way that Plaits is licensed. They do actually link to the GIT repository for the source on their product page, but It would be good if the acknowledgment were more prominent.

  • @vasilymilovidov said:
    i have to give it to behringer, their quality control is top-notch — you instantly want to punch this guy.

    Your jib. The cut of it I like.

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    If I can interject before the ignorant anti-Behringer crowd pile in. Braids is open source.
    Anyone is free to create this and encouraged to do so.

    https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/braids/open_source/

  • I guess I sort of get the appeal of Eurorack stuff. It’s like a massive LEGO bricks set for synth lovers. Personally, I haven’t seen anything that couldn’t be duplicated in software only, so it’s just for the show aspect.

  • @Samu said:
    There's a free app for that ;)
    https://burns.ca/spectrum.html

    Love it!.

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    @cyberheater said:

    If I can interject before the ignorant anti-Behringer crowd pile in. Braids is open source.
    Anyone is free to create this and encouraged to do so.

    https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/braids/open_source/

    You're going to need to take that somewhere else. Haters only on this thread.

    Uli smells!!! Booohringer! Erm... give me a minute.

    Your mum.

  • If you don’t know, ignorance is bliss.

    If the lower price is all you need to justify defending a villain, why bother buying the crappy copy when you can steal the real thing or just hire a ghost producer with the real equipment and not pay for his services, because that’s even cheaper.

  • @NeuM said:
    I guess I sort of get the appeal of Eurorack stuff. It’s like a massive LEGO bricks set for synth lovers. Personally, I haven’t seen anything that couldn’t be duplicated in software only, so it’s just for the show aspect.

    I've only just started playing with modular stuff really, but it is fun. The tactile nature is cool. CV is the main thing though. I really have this feeling that I can plug anything into anything and see what happens. It's kind of even more open feeling than when I sit down with a breadboard and start to play. There I have this feeling like I need to control what I do or I'll break things (which I have). With the Eurorack stuff I don't have that fear at all and routing stuff in an experimental fashion is more open than anything I've felt in software, including the Model 15 which I think is incredible.

    It sounds good too. I got the Behringer Neutron as my first modular like thing. The noises that I can get out of that thing are crazy. You can overdrive it however you want. You can push resonances to whatever you want in any feedback loop and the distortion will sound like good distortion. It just feels great to muck around with and even the most nonsensical things I do usually end up sounding at least interesting.

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    @NeonSilicon said:

    @NeuM said:
    I guess I sort of get the appeal of Eurorack stuff. It’s like a massive LEGO bricks set for synth lovers. Personally, I haven’t seen anything that couldn’t be duplicated in software only, so it’s just for the show aspect.

    I've only just started playing with modular stuff really, but it is fun. The tactile nature is cool. CV is the main thing though. I really have this feeling that I can plug anything into anything and see what happens. It's kind of even more open feeling than when I sit down with a breadboard and start to play. There I have this feeling like I need to control what I do or I'll break things (which I have). With the Eurorack stuff I don't have that fear at all and routing stuff in an experimental fashion is more open than anything I've felt in software, including the Model 15 which I think is incredible.

    It sounds good too. I got the Behringer Neutron as my first modular like thing. The noises that I can get out of that thing are crazy. You can overdrive it however you want. You can push resonances to whatever you want in any feedback loop and the distortion will sound like good distortion. It just feels great to muck around with and even the most nonsensical things I do usually end up sounding at least interesting.

    The thing about modular music is it is more fun for the performer than the listener. There are plenty of modular-based artists I love, Suzanne Ciani gets a special mention, but honestly, it’s more fun discovering how to do that stuff than it is to listen to it. And I think there’s a fundamental flaw in that, when the performer is benefiting from her hard work more than the listener.

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    @oat_phipps said:

    The thing about modular music is it is more fun for the performer than the listener. There are plenty of modular-based artists I love, Suzanne Ciani gets a special mention, but honestly, it’s more fun discovering how to do that stuff than it is to listen to it. And I think there’s a fundamental flaw in that, when the performer is benefiting from her hard work more than the listener.

    That’s true for all music though.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    The thing about modular music is it is more fun for the performer than the listener. There are plenty of modular-based artists I love, Suzanne Ciani gets a special mention, but honestly, it’s more fun discovering how to do that stuff than it is to listen to it. And I think there’s a fundamental flaw in that, when the performer is benefiting from her hard work more than the listener.

    That’s true for all music though.

    Depends on the musician, depends on their music. Ever go to or see a performance by Daft Punk? It was two guys fiddling with buttons on a stage with a light show. While I liked their musical product, as performing artists I felt they had nothing going for them.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    The thing about modular music is it is more fun for the performer than the listener. There are plenty of modular-based artists I love, Suzanne Ciani gets a special mention, but honestly, it’s more fun discovering how to do that stuff than it is to listen to it. And I think there’s a fundamental flaw in that, when the performer is benefiting from her hard work more than the listener.

    That’s true for all music though.

    I disagree. I guess I just didn’t do the best job of putting it into words what I meant. But I could play it for you on my modular rack!

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    @NeonSilicon said:
    CV is the main thing though. I really have this feeling that I can plug anything into anything and see what happens.

    This is quite interesting, I can start to see how that might be a whole different musical experience. Anything in particular jumps out to you in patching that just doesn't quite happen in the same way in software, even with all the modularity or even in a software modular synth?

  • @Cyndilov said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    CV is the main thing though. I really have this feeling that I can plug anything into anything and see what happens.

    This is quite interesting, I can start to see how that might be a whole different musical experience. Anything in particular jumps out to you in patching that just doesn't quite happen in the same way in software, even with all the modularity or even in a software modular synth?

    I guess the most obvious would be FM. It doesn't matter if something is designed to be FM, if it takes a CV input it can be modulated with FM. You can FM modulate the delay time on the Neutron for example.

    Noise and sample and hold are other examples. You can take pretty much any input or output and mangle it through sample and hold paths.

    Anything distortion wise feels better to me on a physical unit. Software has gotten much better with the available processing power to model distortion, but I can do anything to a physical system and the saturation, fuzz, distortion is probably going to have something good about it.

    You can do this to some degree in some software modular setups for sure. But it does feel more open and manipulatable to me in a physical modular setting. My next step with this is to start putting breadboards in the system and see what I can do. I can do a lot with AU's and I can write a plugin to do pretty much anything I want (especially with Faust as an option) but I can't put them wherever I want even in something as flexible as AUM.

  • Fwiw, as a total modular noob, I’d say that there’s something about the immediate actual physical feedback of multiple knobs and sliders, and the ability to create happy-accident interventions at any point by patching between any element in the whole rig, just to see what happens, that engages a very different part of my brain than even the modular- like ways you can use whole apps together in AUM, and is light years away from the conventional ways I find myself interacting with my conventional fixed format synths. Maybe it helps that I am not a competent conventional musician, but I find this activity as meaningful a way to make ‘music’ that I can record, mix, put out there as anything I have done with apps. Trouble is, each module / ‘app’ here is orders of magnitude more expensive. But hey, no pockets in a shroud… ;)

  • Built a small modular case over the last few months and I love it.

    Sold some gear and couldn't decide on a synth so used modules to make something interesting and fun to use

    It's addictive though

  • @vasilymilovidov said:
    i have to give it to behringer, their quality control is top-notch — you instantly want to punch this guy.

    👏 Thank you sir.

  • @jolico said:
    If you don’t know, ignorance is bliss.

    If the lower price is all you need to justify defending a villain, why bother buying the crappy copy when you can steal the real thing or just hire a ghost producer with the real equipment and not pay for his services, because that’s even cheaper.

    I find it hilarious that it's already a crappy copy. You have no idea what this module that uses an open source schematic is like and yet here you are, frothing off about it. Good for you that you can afford your principles. Good for you. You don't have to ram them down everyone else's throats.

    Personally? Can't wait to see what it's like.

  • @jolico : your virtue has been signalled. Now, where do I sign up for the villainy? ;)

  • @Svetlovska said:
    @jolico : your virtue has been signalled. Now, where do I sign up for the villainy? ;)

    I have saved you a place on the naughty step.

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