BRAAAIIIINNNSSSS

ashh

@oat_phipps said:

@NeonSilicon said:

@NeuM said:
I guess I sort of get the appeal of Eurorack stuff. It’s like a massive LEGO bricks set for synth lovers. Personally, I haven’t seen anything that couldn’t be duplicated in software only, so it’s just for the show aspect.

I've only just started playing with modular stuff really, but it is fun. The tactile nature is cool. CV is the main thing though. I really have this feeling that I can plug anything into anything and see what happens. It's kind of even more open feeling than when I sit down with a breadboard and start to play. There I have this feeling like I need to control what I do or I'll break things (which I have). With the Eurorack stuff I don't have that fear at all and routing stuff in an experimental fashion is more open than anything I've felt in software, including the Model 15 which I think is incredible.

It sounds good too. I got the Behringer Neutron as my first modular like thing. The noises that I can get out of that thing are crazy. You can overdrive it however you want. You can push resonances to whatever you want in any feedback loop and the distortion will sound like good distortion. It just feels great to muck around with and even the most nonsensical things I do usually end up sounding at least interesting.

The thing about modular music is it is more fun for the performer than the listener. There are plenty of modular-based artists I love, Suzanne Ciani gets a special mention, but honestly, it’s more fun discovering how to do that stuff than it is to listen to it. And I think there’s a fundamental flaw in that, when the performer is benefiting from her hard work more than the listener.

The Modular genre on Spotify agrees with you. I don't. I love it but I do think you raise an interesting point. It's also right that you could be describing all music imo, but I know what you're getting at.

jolico

Virtue signaling 😂

I blame Billie Eilish for making you kids proud of being “The bad guy”

Svetlovska

aleyas

While I do find Behringer’s practices often in poor taste (their ripoff of the Mother-32 and the Keystep as prime examples), it must also be said that these clones (ahem, ripoffs) have the potential to reach places in the globe that the originals would never find themselves. And also reach the hands of musicians that would have either never been aware of the originals, or had the means to buy them. In this regard, Behringer is accomplishing their stated mission by getting gear that was either too expensive, or too difficult to acquire into the hands of more musicians worldwide.

Using myself as an example, I live in Vietnam. There are very few gear manufactures with a presence in the country, and astronomically fewer when it comes to electronic instruments. The only 2 manufactures with a meaningful synth presence are Korg and Behringer. Their are the odd Novation and Arturia synth every now and then, maybe once every 3 or 4 years an independent gear shop will get a shipment of cheaper Moog synths, but that’s it.
There is no 2nd hand market for synthesizers, because there isn’t a market for synths in the first place. 3 years ago the best one could find was the korg odyssey, ms-20mini and bass station 2.
Now, almost the entire Behringer synth product line is available. That’s an increase and diversity of available synths by more than 500%. The ONLY eurorack available in the country is Behringer also. I can go to the Behringer warehouse (fortunately only a 5 minute drive from my house) and pick up eurorack cases, power supplies, and a great selection of the System 55, system 100, and arp 2500 modules.
Keysteps recently entered the market here, but there are still only 2 stores selling them (and only one of those stores has the 32 model, at high markup all things considered). I think Behringers keystep ripoff is absolutely shameless, but it would be available to musicians of the country, unlike the very hard to attain keystep. With Behringer being the only eurorack source of the country too, I can see the cv enabled keystep ripoff being a controller that fresh eurorack users in the country would benefit from using. (Disclosure, I will never buy one personally. Keystep owner already).
Sure, we/they could import. But customs is an absolute bitch here, international shipping + insurance is high, especially for local wages, and eurorack is already expensive enough as it is, without even factoring in language and knowledge barries which would prevent locals from accessing foreign gear sites.

While I don’t condone Behringers business practices, I am still thankful that through them I can at least continue to pursue this hobby of mine which I’ve had for so long. I now have a modest semi modular collection of analog synths, that before Behringer entered the local market would have been absolutely impossible short of burning my whole paycheck on new, international packages that don’t fall into kind customs categories.

I will feel lame af using Brains, but knowing that I’ll be able to go down the street and add one to my boring af eurorack collection, means that I likely will be picking one up. I’m not getting it cause I’m particularity drawn to Plaits, but because it’s actually available in my locality, and it will be fun to use. If I was importing gear, it (and the original Plaits) would be far from the first modules I would be buying.

As long as I don’t have options (and I don’t -try living here yourself to understand) then I will be using and buying the options that are available to me. My moral high ground isn’t so high that I will deny myself the pleasure (and related stress relief) of making music on hardware synths and pursuing my hobby.

rs2000

I'm considering to add this module to my Sub37 as an additional OSC and modulation source 😍

Samu

@rs2000 said:
I'm considering to add this module to my Sub37 as an additional OSC and modulation source 😍

I'm always drooling over the Moog Subsequent 37 when I visit the local music store
(It's that kind of para-phony that is a real PITA to re-create in Drambo as an example).

I do admit the in this case Behringer 'improved' on the plaits module in several ways...
...and it's easier on they eyes too compared to the white 'originals'.

No, I'm not getting a euro-rack as a 'money pit'

rs2000

@Samu said:

@rs2000 said:
I'm considering to add this module to my Sub37 as an additional OSC and modulation source 😍

I'm always drooling over the Moog Subsequent 37 when I visit the local music store
(It's that kind of para-phony that is a real PITA to re-create in Drambo as an example).

If I wanted the paraphony, I might rather get the Poly-D. But I love the Sub37 for its own monophonic character.

No, I'm not getting a euro-rack as a 'money pit'

Me neither. I rather thought about extending the case somehow.

u0421793

Slightly tangentially, if you’ve got an NTS-1 [1]

https://github.com/peterall/eurorack-prologue

[1] and if you have, and you’re unfortunate enough to have been infected with eurowrack, you can mount it sideways and bolt the fucker in
https://orchardelica.com/wp/?p=804

Fingolfinzz

@u0421793 said:
Slightly tangentially, if you’ve got an NTS-1 [1]

https://github.com/peterall/eurorack-prologue

[1] and if you have, and you’re unfortunate enough to have been infected with eurowrack, you can mount it sideways and bolt the fucker in
https://orchardelica.com/wp/?p=804

Oh shit, I missed that one when I was downloading lots of oscillators, that’s getting loaded today

u0421793

@Fingolfinzz said:

@u0421793 said:
Slightly tangentially, if you’ve got an NTS-1 [1]

https://github.com/peterall/eurorack-prologue

[1] and if you have, and you’re unfortunate enough to have been infected with eurowrack, you can mount it sideways and bolt the fucker in
https://orchardelica.com/wp/?p=804

Oh shit, I missed that one when I was downloading lots of oscillators, that’s getting loaded today

It’s from this page (where there’s a lot more) (but not Bram Bos’ ones, which I’ve also got loaded!) https://korginc.github.io/logue-sdk/unit-index/

Fingolfinzz

@u0421793 said:

@Fingolfinzz said:

@u0421793 said:
Slightly tangentially, if you’ve got an NTS-1 [1]

https://github.com/peterall/eurorack-prologue

[1] and if you have, and you’re unfortunate enough to have been infected with eurowrack, you can mount it sideways and bolt the fucker in
https://orchardelica.com/wp/?p=804

Oh shit, I missed that one when I was downloading lots of oscillators, that’s getting loaded today

It’s from this page (where there’s a lot more) (but not Bram Bos’ ones, which I’ve also got loaded!) https://korginc.github.io/logue-sdk/unit-index/

Oof, I probably have it downloaded already then haha. I went on a frenzy when I first got mine and processed a lot of information at once. Also wasn’t aware of the Bram Bos one, holy crap, I just found that one too that possibly might end up my favorite one now and thats with having bought a few paid oscillators

rs2000

Thanks @u0421793, good idea!

Cyndilov

@NeonSilicon said:
You can do this to some degree in some software modular setups for sure. But it does feel more open and manipulatable to me in a physical modular setting. My next step with this is to start putting breadboards in the system and see what I can do. I can do a lot with AU's and I can write a plugin to do pretty much anything I want (especially with Faust as an option) but I can't put them wherever I want even in something as flexible as AUM.

@Svetlovska said:
Fwiw, as a total modular noob, I’d say that there’s something about the immediate actual physical feedback of multiple knobs and sliders, and the ability to create happy-accident interventions at any point by patching between any element in the whole rig, just to see what happens, that engages a very different part of my brain than even the modular- like ways you can use whole apps together in AUM, and is light years away from the conventional ways I find myself interacting with my conventional fixed format synths.

Yeah that's what I was getting from reading about it. The elegant openness of CV I suppose. Some of these stuff I suppose is quite similar to CC automation, if there are converters that can convert midi notes and aspects of audio also to CC control signal... But then there's that sense exploratory immediacy of patching interconnecting control signals. Perhaps we're looking another kind of interfacing altogether, from the hosts that we have on iOS now. @NeonSilicon Let us know if you find anything fun with the breadboards

I do often find myself wishing AUs could have some kind of multi-out and even multi-in options between different sections of an AU so that more flexible patching could be done. Though that of course, would probably be a whole lot more complex than what we have right now I imagine.

@Svetlovska said:
Trouble is, each module / ‘app’ here is orders of magnitude more expensive. But hey, no pockets in a shroud…

@muzka said:
It's addictive though

And this of course is why modulars will only ever be a curiosity for me (I hope)... Not to mention the real estate these stuff takes...

Svetlovska

@Cyndilov : Actually, less real estate than you think. Obviously some people have racks the size of Quebec, but bang for buck wise, you can pack an awful lot of bang (and buck!) into a 6 U Arturia RackBrute, and then mount it vertically behind a regular synth. For some reason these things always look overwhelming on YouTube, but in person as it were, they actually take up relatively little room. An elegant system.

muzka

Here is my case and takes up as much space as a medium sized synth. Also the case has midi etc so it's more like I created my own bespoke synth but with fx and sequencer built in. Does an awful lot with plenty of multi function modules and doesn't include any of the really expensive ones. The biggest spend was £140 for the clouds module.

muzka

Also it does usb midi so connects with ipad

Svetlovska

@muzka : nice setup I do like that Nifty case with the built in midi. I was thinking of getting one to house just ‘performance’ / Interactive control modules down the line, eg René, Pressure Points, a joystick, Ears, etc.

muzka

@Svetlovska said:
@muzka : nice setup I do like that Nifty case with the built in midi. I was thinking of getting one to house just ‘performance’ / Interactive control modules down the line, eg René, Pressure Points, a joystick, Ears, etc.

They are good value, eurorack always seemed like an expensive luxury but the nifty is a great introduction that won't break the bank

Only problem is I'd now like another and have one for sound and fx and the other for control and modulation. Also would like an expert sleepers so I can use with mirack and ableton

ashh

I wish there was the ability to 'Like' posts on this forum.

jolico

@ashh said:
I wish there was the ability to 'Like' posts on this forum.

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