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What's a good 'experimental' music thing to start off with? Is it even a good idea?

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  • @PeteSasqwax said:
    In a funny way, they kind of feed into one another: using either one of them reminds me how much I love both whichever one I'm using and the other one!

    It totally is a similar concept, but the Field Kit/FX combination is very tangible - with contact mics, motors, springs, marbles (!) - whereas the Fieldscaper provides the kind of recorded functionality. They really do work beautifully together.

    To echo what you said earlier: we are absolutely spoiled with the iOS ecosystem! In my £10 iPad 4, I can mangle sounds with Fieldscaper, fracture them into clouds of countless pieces with Samplr, Spacecraft etc. put the results into Sector and sequence it... the possibilities are genuinely endless, but the nice thing about it (which differs from my main iPad) is that I use the apps in isolation. I make something in Fieldscaper, then send it to Samplr; make something in Samplr then send it to Sector etc. I also like to throw the results of them into my other iPad using instances of Gauss too...

    Man Ios Music is great!!! ;)

  • @sevenape said:

    For now I’m going to try to fondle these knobs and see where that gets me.

    I am ogling your knobs with ZERO shame!

  • @senhorlampada said:

    @sigma79 said:
    The Mermaid weeps

    Awesome stuff, mate :love:

    Thanks mate. Your body were ready. Needed to see about an ocoast so checked how it might be. Tune kind of reminds me of a ship wreck ( o coast ) What I think is with an ocoast. Mononoke and shoom. Theres some patching which you cant save but mononoke and shoom are mainly tones to deal with and I think tracks would be mainly live. If you consider euclidean drums, mononoke and shoom. Not sure yet. Shoom uses a full screen, which means more midi mapping. Might be best to just save for the ocoast. Then thats definately me.

  • Will be cool when I actually set every thing up and midi map. Then again, its more tones etc.

  • @PeteSasqwax said:

    @sevenape said:

    For now I’m going to try to fondle these knobs and see where that gets me.

    I am ogling your knobs with ZERO shame!

    Hahahaha

  • The 0-Coast is a fantastic machine. 0-Coast plus 0-Control are a ton of fun. Not cheap when bought together and you still probably would want a cheap reverb or delay pedal added in.

    If you are happy to buy a Behringer product then I can vouch for the Neutron as truly amazing value and capable of doing all kinds of crazy (semi)modular stuff. I don’t own a Crave but that gives you more-or-less the same functions as the Moog Mother 32 at a bargain price.

  • @PeteSasqwax said:

    @sevenape said:

    For now I’m going to try to fondle these knobs and see where that gets me.

    I am ogling your knobs with ZERO shame!

    +1

    My precise words were....."Oooohhhh those look nice"....

  • Does anyone here have a Moog Subharmonicon?

  • @u0421793 said:
    Does anyone here have a Moog Subharmonicon?

    Not me, but Loopop showed ways of using the 0-coast and the 0-coast/control combo to get subharmonics. I must try out those tricks.

  • @Gravitas said:

    @PeteSasqwax said:

    @sevenape said:

    For now I’m going to try to fondle these knobs and see where that gets me.

    I am ogling your knobs with ZERO shame!

    +1

    My precise words were....."Oooohhhh those look nice"....

    Ahahaha they are chroma caps from dj tech tools :)

  • I think you might be right that you are spoiled for choice with the iPad. . It's easy to overlook and take for granted all that is possible with such amazing apps. The nanocontrol will help ..perhaps just getting a mixer and some pedals to experiment with could get you there ?
    also...anything with a DC power out can be made portable with those RipCord cables.

  • @BitterGums said:
    I think you might be right that you are spoiled for choice with the iPad. . It's easy to overlook and take for granted all that is possible with such amazing apps. The nanocontrol will help ..perhaps just getting a mixer and some pedals to experiment with could get you there ?
    also...anything with a DC power out can be made portable with those RipCord cables.

    You're right it is really easy to take stuff for granted. I was watching a video for the Deluge and I just thought, My Ipad can probably do most of that and it's smaller and more portable!

    Thanks for the info on those cables and yeah I think you could be right I should experiment with what I have and maybe add a few things here and there

  • To me, experiment spirit is like trying to do something that the tools were not designed to do to achieve unexpected results. So I think more of opening the back of the tape deck and do something with it, circuit bending, and I guess in this digital age code bending?

  • Ripplemaker is actually patchable as you go ( hence why a reason why I bought another ipad ) The o coast might be similar-ish but definately sound tweakable as you go. Its just cables are high. Might see if the Pluto ( although digital ) might be ok.

  • @u0421793 said:
    I can’t help thinking, though, that I’m a bit amused by the idea of wanting to do experimental music, then receiving a raft of suggestions for off-the-shelf experimental music boxes that you can buy in shops.

    I’ll add my suggestion, then:

    Get a reel-to-reel tape recorder (that you can afford). That’s it.

    Or play a conventional musical instrument while ignoring every music theory rule you can think of.

  • Can you euclidean midi and standard midi ( drambo ) to an ocoast?

  • Damn this thread - just re-bought a 0-Coast :joy:

  • edited June 2021

    Yeah I’m getting all sorts of terrible GAS off it 🥴😬😁

    @PeteSasqwax said:
    Damn this thread - just re-bought a 0-Coast :joy:

  • It made me remember how much I loved just sitting with the 0-Coast and exploring what it could do, which I just hadn't had time for because I'm studying my master's degree at the same time as still working my dayjob. I only have a month left to go on my degree, though, so I'll soon have a lot more time on my hands. With that in mind, and having seen one at a really decent price, this thread was all I needed to pull the trigger...

  • @PeteSasqwax said:
    Damn this thread - just re-bought a 0-Coast :joy:

    hahahahahha

  • @PeteSasqwax said:
    It made me remember how much I loved just sitting with the 0-Coast and exploring what it could do, which I just hadn't had time for because I'm studying my master's degree at the same time as still working my dayjob. I only have a month left to go on my degree, though, so I'll soon have a lot more time on my hands. With that in mind, and having seen one at a really decent price, this thread was all I needed to pull the trigger...

    Do you need a CTRL to make it fun?

  • edited June 2021

    @sevenape said:

    @PeteSasqwax said:
    It made me remember how much I loved just sitting with the 0-Coast and exploring what it could do, which I just hadn't had time for because I'm studying my master's degree at the same time as still working my dayjob. I only have a month left to go on my degree, though, so I'll soon have a lot more time on my hands. With that in mind, and having seen one at a really decent price, this thread was all I needed to pull the trigger...

    Do you need a CTRL to make it fun?

    Nah, if you're interested in sound, then a 0-coast on its own is already really great. It can be pushed and molded in so many shapes and directions.

    Hey, this looks like an envelope.
    And if I loop the envelope it becomes an LFO.
    But when I speed up the LFO, it becomes an extra oscillator.
    And when I patch the extra oscillator into the main oscillator it becomes an FM modulator!
    And then I feed the FM output into...

    you get the idea.

    Endless entertainment for the curious mind...

    B)

  • Bastl kastle or drum. 99$ kit or premade. Micro patching like the volca modular which is also nice. Then get them into the pad for processing fun. Have fun, I know what you mean.

  • @brambos said:

    @sevenape said:

    @PeteSasqwax said:
    It made me remember how much I loved just sitting with the 0-Coast and exploring what it could do, which I just hadn't had time for because I'm studying my master's degree at the same time as still working my dayjob. I only have a month left to go on my degree, though, so I'll soon have a lot more time on my hands. With that in mind, and having seen one at a really decent price, this thread was all I needed to pull the trigger...

    Do you need a CTRL to make it fun?

    Nah, if you're interested in sound, then a 0-coast on its own is already really great. It can be pushed and molded in so many shapes and directions.

    Hey, this looks like an envelope.
    And if I loop the envelope it becomes an LFO.
    But when I speed up the LFO, it becomes an extra oscillator.
    And when I patch the extra oscillator into the main oscillator it becomes an FM modulator!
    And then I feed the FM output into...

    you get the idea.

    Endless entertainment for the curious mind...

    B)

    It does sound like loads of fun, although I’d have to find one at a good price.

  • @oceansinspace said:
    Bastl kastle or drum. 99$ kit or premade. Micro patching like the volca modular which is also nice. Then get them into the pad for processing fun. Have fun, I know what you mean.

    All that bastl stuff looks great I need to do more research!!!

  • @sevenape said:
    Do you need a CTRL to make it fun?

    I totally agree with what Bram said but in addition: I found the combination of the 2 too much to take in. Trying to learn the 0-Coast and the 0-Ctrl at the same time resulted in sitting myself in a room with a printed out copy of the manual for each, going backwards and forwards between each unit and getting nowhere at all. That's basically why I ended up selling them.

    In retrospect I should have waited until I was completely happy with how to properly use the 0-Coast first and then added the 0-Ctrl later on but I had this whole "Make Noise Music Easel" concept in my head that I became so taken with that it ended up killing my enjoyment of either unit.

  • @PeteSasqwax said:

    @sevenape said:
    Do you need a CTRL to make it fun?

    I totally agree with what Bram said but in addition: I found the combination of the 2 too much to take in. Trying to learn the 0-Coast and the 0-Ctrl at the same time resulted in sitting myself in a room with a printed out copy of the manual for each, going backwards and forwards between each unit and getting nowhere at all. That's basically why I ended up selling them.

    In retrospect I should have waited until I was completely happy with how to properly use the 0-Coast first and then added the 0-Ctrl later on but I had this whole "Make Noise Music Easel" concept in my head that I became so taken with that it ended up killing my enjoyment of either unit.

    That’s a shame though, I want a music easel.

  • Me too & absolutely might end up back there but I tried to do the hurdles before I could even stand :disappointed:

    Definitely a case of: it wasn't it, it was me

  • Personally sticking with ma IOS plan. Ripplemakers and ID700, as an ocoast substitute. If it dosent make me happy. Then might buy an ocoast. The pitsburgh voltage lab would be cool. Seems like an antique boutique already.

  • For info. What would be better. The pitsburgh with its controller or an ocoast, control, strega. Seems like the o control might be better than the pitsburghs. The strega as sort of effects, plus some patching, plus sensors. The pitsburgh itself is probably better than the ocoast. Probably more oscilators and more patching. The MN setup seems a bit more performence orientated. The pitsburg might be able to be sequenced whilst the pads still do something. You could add effects. Thats my knowledge.

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