Fantasy: What if NI acquired BM3?

Will

I didn't vote in the poll because I'm of both opinions and there's no room for me.

Still, I would be very curious to know what sort of offers BeatMaker (2 and/or 3) and NanoStudio (1 and/or 2) have gotten and from whom those offer came. Audio Evolution Mobile edit: StageLight (aka ZenBeats) obviously got a good-enough offer from Roland so we can pretty safely assume this sort of stuff is indeed happening. I'm guessing Roland's offer to AEM was at least partially because it was cross platform.

espiegel123

@syrupcore said:
I didn't vote in the poll because I'm of both opinions and there's no room for me.

Still, I would be very curious to know what sort of offers BeatMaker (2 and/or 3) and NanoStudio (1 and/or 2) have gotten and from whom those offer came. Audio Evolution Mobile (aka ZenBeats) obviously got a good-enough offer from Roland so we can pretty safely assume this sort of stuff is indeed happening. I'm guessing Roland's offer to AEM was at least partially because it was cross platform.

AEM isn't related to ZenBeats as far as I know. Do you mean StageLight?

Will

@espiegel123 said:

@syrupcore said:
I didn't vote in the poll because I'm of both opinions and there's no room for me.

Still, I would be very curious to know what sort of offers BeatMaker (2 and/or 3) and NanoStudio (1 and/or 2) have gotten and from whom those offer came. Audio Evolution Mobile (aka ZenBeats) obviously got a good-enough offer from Roland so we can pretty safely assume this sort of stuff is indeed happening. I'm guessing Roland's offer to AEM was at least partially because it was cross platform.

AEM isn't related to ZenBeats as far as I know. Do you mean StageLight?

oops! Yes, that. Thank you.

mistercharlie

I fired BM3 up for the first time in a while yesterday. It’s so good. I worry that it will wither and die, but for until then it’s my favorite app on the iPad for quickly getting things down.

It’s also the best way I’ve found for recording stems and loops from the OP-Z. They make a fine pair.

I’d be happy paying a subscription for it, to let the developer work on it full time, but it’s a bit chicken and egg. Who would sign up for a sub without first seeing some regular updates?

animalelder

Izotope and NI merged. Izotope regular updates the Spire app. Sure, Traktor iPadOS hasn’t been updated in a year, but Izotope could potentially assist in this fantasy scenario.

Anyway, I think BM3 is solid and it’s one of my favorite apps. And I own Komplete 13 Ultimate, but I don’t care if NI gets more mobile. I’ve come to realize that they just don’t care about the mobile world. Separate worlds.

But my great idea is what if Intua and Blip teamed up to make the best iOS DAW possible? BM3 and NS2 combined together. I bet they would do great things.

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@MadGav said:
From my disinterested position, it does seem that NI has been shaky of late. Wishing them to make any acquisition sounds like a curse!

Yes, they have many other issues to focus on. Like Apple Silicon compatibility of their desktop products
Hell, even Reaktor is not yet compatible with Big Sur

Dham

@Samu said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

LOL Great point! At some point we have to appreciate what is in front of us. To be frank, most of my Beatmaker creations were banged out on the screen and not a controller. Rubber pads separate us lmaoooo

Sometimes I've got the LaunchPad Pro Mk3 with a few custom templates hooked to my iPad...
...the iPad is mostly hooked to my MacMini and I use IDAM to sample the iPad synths into Renoise and LogicPro etc.

When I need full mobility I grab a pair of headphones (my iPad Air 2 still has a 3.5mm jack) and iRig Mic HD for sampling...
...when I'm super lazy it's just the iPhone 8 with Koala Sampler...

If Akai was serious about iOS/iPadOS they would never approve the mess that is called iMPC P#!WTFS&#€!

The problem for Akai would be that if they had the full MPC Software running on iPadOS, who would then buy the hardware MPCs if you can get the same 'experience' with an iPad and a pad controller?

I think it's the same deal for NI with Machine, and Ableton with Push...

I have to at least give Akai credit for embracing/pushing IOS music production. Remember the MPC Fly? https://www.akaipro.com/mpc-fly-30

N.I. has taken the opposite approach. They have deliberately crippled iMaschine to the point that they have removed built-in IOS features such as Core MIDI! They do not want their app. to work with ANY external controllers. Greedy @##@#ers.

michael_m

They lost interest in iMaschine not long after they launched it, so I can’t imagine them being interested in BM3.

YZJustDatGuy

I really don’t care for the big major players to come and purchase smaller apps on platforms they already neglect. NI buying out BM3 would ruin BM3 honestly and I believe that from how they treat their apps currently. Of course there are some short comings with the iPadOS offerings in comparison to desktop but I truly believe that apps can be ported over in a way without too much compromising but I’m no developer. The market is just too small for them to actually invest but I truly appreciate the developers who do, big and small.

AlmostAnonymous

Just give me the BM3 sampler as a stand alone AUv3 and the rest of BM3 can ride off into the sunset....
(and fix it so it plays through to the end of the sample in loop mode when I turn the pad off)

Stuntman_mike

@CapnWillie said:
Did Roland buying Stagelight ruin it or is Zenbeats better than ever? Did Roland ever even make a cool iOS app themselves? Had they accomplished anything like iMaschine or Traktor?

All rhetoricals.

Just stating to support how the hypothetical could be a great idea. Especially if by acquiring, they just lended the Intua team more resources and access to their peerless sound designs but let them retain autonomy.

Like Roland just proved is possible.

Touché

michael_m

@CapnWillie said:
Did Roland buying Stagelight ruin it or is Zenbeats better than ever? Did Roland ever even make a cool iOS app themselves? Had they accomplished anything like iMaschine or Traktor?

All rhetoricals.

Just stating to support how the hypothetical could be a great idea. Especially if by acquiring, they just lended the Intua team more resources and access to their peerless sound designs but let them retain autonomy.

Like Roland just proved is possible.

Not sure if the same would apply to NI though based on events there over the past couple of years.

AudioGus

@CapnWillie said:

@michael_m said:

@CapnWillie said:
Did Roland buying Stagelight ruin it or is Zenbeats better than ever? Did Roland ever even make a cool iOS app themselves? Had they accomplished anything like iMaschine or Traktor?

All rhetoricals.

Just stating to support how the hypothetical could be a great idea. Especially if by acquiring, they just lended the Intua team more resources and access to their peerless sound designs but let them retain autonomy.

Like Roland just proved is possible.

Not sure if the same would apply to NI though based on events there over the past couple of years.

That’s fair. Fact is, none of us really know. Thats why it’s just hypothetical/fantasy. Just offering a perspective of how it could work is all.

BM3 with Massive built in. Not going to happen but...

michael_m

@CapnWillie said:

@michael_m said:

@CapnWillie said:
Did Roland buying Stagelight ruin it or is Zenbeats better than ever? Did Roland ever even make a cool iOS app themselves? Had they accomplished anything like iMaschine or Traktor?

All rhetoricals.

Just stating to support how the hypothetical could be a great idea. Especially if by acquiring, they just lended the Intua team more resources and access to their peerless sound designs but let them retain autonomy.

Like Roland just proved is possible.

Not sure if the same would apply to NI though based on events there over the past couple of years.

That’s fair. Fact is, none of us really know. Thats why it’s just hypothetical/fantasy. Just offering a perspective of how it could work is all.

Oh, I completely agree - could go either way with any company, but I keep thinking about how NI abandoned iMaschine without a word since.

Stuntman_mike

@CapnWillie said:

@michael_m said:

@CapnWillie said:

@michael_m said:

@CapnWillie said:
Did Roland buying Stagelight ruin it or is Zenbeats better than ever? Did Roland ever even make a cool iOS app themselves? Had they accomplished anything like iMaschine or Traktor?

All rhetoricals.

Just stating to support how the hypothetical could be a great idea. Especially if by acquiring, they just lended the Intua team more resources and access to their peerless sound designs but let them retain autonomy.

Like Roland just proved is possible.

Not sure if the same would apply to NI though based on events there over the past couple of years.

That’s fair. Fact is, none of us really know. Thats why it’s just hypothetical/fantasy. Just offering a perspective of how it could work is all.

Oh, I completely agree - could go either way with any company, but I keep thinking about how NI abandoned iMaschine without a word since.

I can see where people feel that way. TBH, I have felt that way about it in the past. Another perspective is that in NIs eyes, iMaschine is finished for what it is intended to do.

Here at ABF, we want everything to have endless features and be end all be all all’s. What if they just wanted iMaschine to be a very simple sketch pad to get an idea down when you’re away from Mikro/MK3/Maschine Plus?

In this context, it’s brilliant. Which, is how I use it now that I’m a Maschine user and I love it. Super stable. Top notch sounds, compatible with what I have in Komplete and within the scope of seemless project transfer ie GB>Logic. Genius in limitation.

Similarly, GarageBand is wack if you want advanced audio editing, routing, sampling options but brilliant if you have and use Logic for those things which is how they intend for it to be used. Once I realized that, I love it.

What does Apple get out of Logic on iPad for free? What would Ni get out of iMaschine doing everything their flagship product does to generate $Billions?

It’s all perspective.

Ironically, people still bad mouth Bm3 on this forum as convoluted and over complicated while others hate iMaschine for being too simple.

Well said. I truly feel iMaschine was intended as an entry point for iOS users to be enticed to get a full blown Maschine. Man after a weekend of playing with Maschine I am in love 🥰 Such a great workflow. It would be amazing for Mikro to work on iOS like it does on macOS or Windows, but maybe the iOS profit margin isn’t rich enough for NI to invest resources in it.

Stuntman_mike

@CapnWillie what’s your “dream” feature you would like added to BM3?

michael_m

@CapnWillie GarageBand is definitely a great companion for Logic, and you’re right that people sometimes don’t see that (probably because they don’t own Logic I guess).

IMaschine on the other hand doesn’t have any export to cloud functionality does it? I haven’t had it installed for a long time, but I found it difficult to integrate with other apps.

If you’ve found a place for it in your setup then kudos to you. Just not sure it’s something I would go back to unless the add features to bring it up to date.

stormywaterz

It’s obvious bm3 took some ideas from imaschine so it could be a match in heaven.
the sound packs in imaschine is the best on ios.

If bm3 wanted to raise sum funds for future projects extract the sampler make it AU and throw a great price on it. My perfect scenario right there.

I always thought apple was gonna take the plung and grab bm3.

[Deleted User]

Indeed, their kits are great. And super-cheap. Perfect food for Koala

RajahP

Y’all do know that Bitwig 4 imports FL Studio and Ableton projects..
All that Maschine (NI) needs to do is follow Bitwig… and BM3 need is, ‘Export to Ableton als.. ‘

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Stuntman_mike

@winconway said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@winconway said:
Terrible idea, NI cant even get their headline unit (M+) working properly, at least you can browse your own sample libraries in BM3 with ease.

Oh wow! I didn’t know that 🙃

Is sample browsing an issue with M+?

Yes, two sub folders only, no aliasing support from the desktop version, so expansions created on desktop dont work on M+, all your samples need to be tagged or they are just one long list, and if there are too many, M+ freezes up.
It is the one thing that stops the M+ from being an absolute monster, but it is so bad it turns it in to a whimpering NI content player.

Oh wow, that’s a bummer. Hopefully NI fixes that soon. Brilliant concept for their outstanding workflow though!

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RajahP

Was playing around with iMaschine last night, and it is something special to 'export your project to desktop'. As a matter of fact, it is why I bought Machine..

All NI needs to do is, just update this wonderful app..

RajahP

@CapnWillie said:

@RajahP said:
Was playing around with iMaschine last night, and it is something special to 'export your project to desktop'. As a matter of fact, it is why I bought Machine..

All NI needs to do is, just update this wonderful app..

Matt over at NI finally chimed in about it over at the NI forum and assured that he’d relay our update requests for iMaschine to the team. We bugged and bugged them about JAM after they discontinued and got them to recommit to supporting it for the foreseeable future so hopefully spamming them about iMaschine will achieve the same results 🙏🏽.

Thanks.. it is a win… win for NI to support iMaschine.. pretty sure many got into Maschine (like me) because of iMaschine..

Strizbiz

@CapnWillie said:

@RajahP said:
Was playing around with iMaschine last night, and it is something special to 'export your project to desktop'. As a matter of fact, it is why I bought Machine..

All NI needs to do is, just update this wonderful app..

Matt over at NI finally chimed in about it over at the NI forum and assured that he’d relay our update requests for iMaschine to the team. We bugged and bugged them about JAM after they discontinued and got them to recommit to supporting it for the foreseeable future so hopefully spamming them about iMaschine will achieve the same results 🙏🏽.

Wow, I didn’t know NI discontinued Jam, my brother has one and come to think of it I NEVER see him using it after he first bought it.

Strizbiz

@RajahP said:
Was playing around with iMaschine last night, and it is something special to 'export your project to desktop'. As a matter of fact, it is why I bought Machine..

All NI needs to do is, just update this wonderful app..

Part of me wants a Maschine MK3 but I just have too many workflows as it is lol

hansjbs

@CapnWillie said:
A man can dream. We discussed this awhile back in one of the Bm3 or Maschine threads.

Maschine workflow was certainly an inspiration for Bm3. It’s a lot closer than MPC imo. BM3 is what iMaschine should be.

As great a dream as it is, the release of Maschine Plus all but ensures that Native Instruments would not be interested in anything that would decrease its value.

IMO, an iPad Pro + BM3 (hypothetically supported by Maschine) + iOS Extensive Synths and FX market would kick M+ ass head to head. I mean, if I’m being honest…it might be the better value now as it relates to being truly standalone. M+ still needs to be chained to a wall or a huge battery bank to be mobile and iOS obviously has exponentially more sound options. Especially considering you can transfer all of your NI expansions using Kitmaker.

For these reasons sadly I can’t see NI canibalizing it’s latest flagship product by acquiring BM3 or even developing iMaschine much further.

No worries. It doesn’t make me enjoy Maschine any less. In fact, the latest update was great for Maschine/Plus. The new PolySynth sound amazing as is more control for midi mode and multi clip select.

BM3 was recently updated and is more stable than ever. Considering how long it’s been out I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t updated much either before a paid version 4.

What’s your take on this @hansjb ?

Now I know why I didn’t see this….😂😂😂😂 Mr Captain of the willies forgot how to spell my username.

-NI acquiring Intua is a horrible idea.

-BM3 is not dead, last update was about 4 months ago. For those who might ask, yes beta!

-it’s one guy, just one developer. That’s why I also feel bad for NS2, people keep forgetting that these complex apps take time. How many of y’all have desktop apps? how long do you wait for updates from a TEAM of developers??? I’ll wait…

-BM3 took a lot of inspiration from maschine and MPC which is dope

-Do we on the beta team want some of those features mentioned, faster updates….YESSSSS!!! But it is what it is.

-BM3 is the most stable as it ever been. Is stability #1 on our list, YESSS!!!!

-AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

hansjbs

@CapnWillie said:

@hansjbs said:

@CapnWillie said:
A man can dream. We discussed this awhile back in one of the Bm3 or Maschine threads.

Maschine workflow was certainly an inspiration for Bm3. It’s a lot closer than MPC imo. BM3 is what iMaschine should be.

As great a dream as it is, the release of Maschine Plus all but ensures that Native Instruments would not be interested in anything that would decrease its value.

IMO, an iPad Pro + BM3 (hypothetically supported by Maschine) + iOS Extensive Synths and FX market would kick M+ ass head to head. I mean, if I’m being honest…it might be the better value now as it relates to being truly standalone. M+ still needs to be chained to a wall or a huge battery bank to be mobile and iOS obviously has exponentially more sound options. Especially considering you can transfer all of your NI expansions using Kitmaker.

For these reasons sadly I can’t see NI canibalizing it’s latest flagship product by acquiring BM3 or even developing iMaschine much further.

No worries. It doesn’t make me enjoy Maschine any less. In fact, the latest update was great for Maschine/Plus. The new PolySynth sound amazing as is more control for midi mode and multi clip select.

BM3 was recently updated and is more stable than ever. Considering how long it’s been out I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t updated much either before a paid version 4.

What’s your take on this @hansjb ?

Now I know why I didn’t see this….😂😂😂😂 Mr Captain of the willies forgot how to spell my username.

-NI acquiring Intua is a horrible idea.

-BM3 is not dead, last update was about 4 months ago. For those who might ask, yes beta!

-it’s one guy, just one developer. That’s why I also feel bad for NS2, people keep forgetting that these complex apps take time. How many of y’all have desktop apps? how long do you wait for updates from a TEAM of developers??? I’ll wait…

-BM3 took a lot of inspiration from maschine and MPC which is dope

-Do we on the beta team want some of those features mentioned, faster updates….YESSSSS!!! But it is what it is.

-BM3 is the most stable as it ever been. Is stability #1 on our list, YESSS!!!!

-AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

Lmao@Captain of the Willies!!!😂 My bad @Handjobs I gotta do better fam.😩🤦🏽‍♂️

😂😂😂😂😂 I knew you were gonna hit me with that💀💀💀💀💀💀

hansjbs

@CapnWillie said:

@hansjbs said:

@CapnWillie said:

@hansjbs said:

@CapnWillie said:
A man can dream. We discussed this awhile back in one of the Bm3 or Maschine threads.

Maschine workflow was certainly an inspiration for Bm3. It’s a lot closer than MPC imo. BM3 is what iMaschine should be.

As great a dream as it is, the release of Maschine Plus all but ensures that Native Instruments would not be interested in anything that would decrease its value.

IMO, an iPad Pro + BM3 (hypothetically supported by Maschine) + iOS Extensive Synths and FX market would kick M+ ass head to head. I mean, if I’m being honest…it might be the better value now as it relates to being truly standalone. M+ still needs to be chained to a wall or a huge battery bank to be mobile and iOS obviously has exponentially more sound options. Especially considering you can transfer all of your NI expansions using Kitmaker.

For these reasons sadly I can’t see NI canibalizing it’s latest flagship product by acquiring BM3 or even developing iMaschine much further.

No worries. It doesn’t make me enjoy Maschine any less. In fact, the latest update was great for Maschine/Plus. The new PolySynth sound amazing as is more control for midi mode and multi clip select.

BM3 was recently updated and is more stable than ever. Considering how long it’s been out I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t updated much either before a paid version 4.

What’s your take on this @hansjb ?

Now I know why I didn’t see this….😂😂😂😂 Mr Captain of the willies forgot how to spell my username.

-NI acquiring Intua is a horrible idea.

-BM3 is not dead, last update was about 4 months ago. For those who might ask, yes beta!

-it’s one guy, just one developer. That’s why I also feel bad for NS2, people keep forgetting that these complex apps take time. How many of y’all have desktop apps? how long do you wait for updates from a TEAM of developers??? I’ll wait…

-BM3 took a lot of inspiration from maschine and MPC which is dope

-Do we on the beta team want some of those features mentioned, faster updates….YESSSSS!!! But it is what it is.

-BM3 is the most stable as it ever been. Is stability #1 on our list, YESSS!!!!

-AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

Lmao@Captain of the Willies!!!😂 My bad @Handjobs I gotta do better fam.😩🤦🏽‍♂️

😂😂😂😂😂 I knew you were gonna hit me with that💀💀💀💀💀💀

On a serious note…what’s your final review having had your M+ for a few months? Also hope Fla Sunshine treating you well.

M+ could be the ish is NI stop playing. This lack of your own folder diving is ridiculous. I still enjoy the M+ mostly for the standalone aspect but for whatever reason, I rarely make a beat on it. I just mess around with something and if I don’t like it at the end it’s deleted.

Florida is treating me well, so far no complaints at all. I don’t really miss NY anymore.