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Fantasy: What if NI acquired BM3?

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  • animalelderanimalelder

    @hansjbs is the cpu meter always way higher than it seems like it should be? Ex: Brand new project, hovering at 35% cpu, two banks: sometimes up to 85%…

    Just curious why I have been cursed and if I have a defective unit

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  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @hansjbs said:

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    -AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

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  • ContextContext

    @espiegel123 said:
    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

    You're right, there isn't. However I found that a combination of Auditor and Audio Layer gets close and works well enough for when I'm not using BM3.

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  • hansjbshansjbs

    @animalelder said:
    @hansjbs is the cpu meter always way higher than it seems like it should be? Ex: Brand new project, hovering at 35% cpu, two banks: sometimes up to 85%…

    Just curious why I have been cursed and if I have a defective unit

    For NI maschine+? Depends on which pack you have loaded. Some of the packs have sounds or instruments with lots of fx and can definitely cause that.

  • hansjbshansjbs
    edited July 2021

    @winconway said:

    @hansjbs said:
    -it’s one guy, just one developer. That’s why I also feel bad for NS2, people keep forgetting that these complex apps take time. How many of y’all have desktop apps? how long do you wait for updates from a TEAM of developers??? I’ll wait…

    About 1 or 2 days on average, Reaper, the DAW with the most features, two man team.
    Number of developers, size of team has absolutely nothing at all to do with release speed, I can give many more examples.
    In fact there is plenty of research to suggest the bigger the team, the slower the output.

    Reaper and some other seasoned software are exceptions. Reaper’s around for years but I also remember when updates were slow for it as well. Maybe I should have mentioned new and complex. If MG was still in the picture things could have been quicker maybe I dunno. Feel like half the app was written by one developer and the other half by the other so yeah that would make things hard.

    If a bigger team has slower output then it means priorities are not set correctly and work not delegated properly. I work in big teams all the time and when priorities and delegations are set we fly thru anything, no matter how complicated.

  • hansjbshansjbs

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

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    -AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

    There’s probably never gonna be one that’s 100% match to BM3 sampler. The thing is why would the developer do an auv3 portion of the app??? It’s like asking Obsidian as an auv3.

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  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @hansjbs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

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    -AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

    There’s probably never gonna be one that’s 100% match to BM3 sampler. The thing is why would the developer do an auv3 portion of the app??? It’s like asking Obsidian as an auv3.

    Why? Because, they could charge as much for the sampler as for BM3 and have it adopted by the many people that use a different DAW. There might be practical reasons not to do it, but there are upsides, too. In the long run, maintenance of the sampler would likely be less than the DAW and would be less subject to competition given that no AU sampler on iOS has some of the key features that make BM3's sampler so good.

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  • SamuSamu

    It would be enough for me if the piano-roll editor in BM3 was ’replaced’ by Atom 2 without having load a plug-in for every single pad and an option to see multiple tracks from one bank in the arranger / ’explode a bank’ (ie. a bank folder) on the time-line and give each pad a separate pattern object. A bank can already be ’exploded’ in the mixer, so why not on the time-line as well?

    BM2 had sub-tracks for banks, wonder how that got ’lost’ when BM3 was born…

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

    @Samu said:
    It would be enough for me if the piano-roll editor in BM3 was ’replaced’ by Atom 2 without having load a plug-in for every single pad and an option to see multiple tracks from one bank in the arranger / ’explode a bank’ (ie. a bank folder) on the time-line and give each pad a separate pattern object. A bank can already be ’exploded’ in the mixer, so why not on the time-line as well?

    BM2 had sub-tracks for banks, wonder how that got ’lost’ when BM3 was born…

    @Samu totally agree the BM3 piano roll editor lets the rest of the workflow down.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    I wish we could stream samples from SSD in BM3…

  • hansjbshansjbs
    edited July 2021

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    I wish we could stream samples from SSD in BM3…

    Oh I want that too trust me and a lot of us do. It’s on the list with keyboard shortcuts as well. When will it happen 🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂

  • hansjbshansjbs

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    .....

    -AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

    There’s probably never gonna be one that’s 100% match to BM3 sampler. The thing is why would the developer do an auv3 portion of the app??? It’s like asking Obsidian as an auv3.

    Why? Because, they could charge as much for the sampler as for BM3 and have it adopted by the many people that use a different DAW. There might be practical reasons not to do it, but there are upsides, too. In the long run, maintenance of the sampler would likely be less than the DAW and would be less subject to competition given that no AU sampler on iOS has some of the key features that make BM3's sampler so good.

    If you already have BM3 why not just use the sampler and move to another DAW?
    Waiting for that BM3 sampler auv3 is not worth it. It’s been asked since release and there no movement towards that, it’s not even mentioned.

  • hansjbshansjbs
    edited July 2021

    @winconway said:
    Obsidian was always mean't to become an AU, I asked the developer before release.
    Other issues stopped it from happening, that are well documented now.

    There has never been a slow period in Reaper development, maybe you are counting a week as slow, I dont know.
    Ithas always been open beta, and is now open development version too.
    Tracktion has slow updates, when it was one developer, weekly.
    EnergyXT weekly updates, investment from a big company, team built, three updates since, over ten years.

    Examples of DAW teams slowing development go on and on and on, by the logic that more developers equals faster development, Cubase should have a new major version each week, it has an insane amount of developers.

    There are many factors involved in releases, team size isn't a big one of them.

    I was using reaper back in the days of early release when it was freeware and shareware. It used to be bundled with Open Labs Neko and Miko after a while and they used to skin it. I still have a Miko which I’m trying to revive or upgrade. Guess what’s on it, Reaper. I remember how the updates were, maybe your experience with it and mines are from different time periods or just different but I remember.🤷🏽‍♂️

    I don’t really use NS2 and don’t follow the forum. It’s possible he changed his mind about Obsidian as AUV3. I’m all for it.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @hansjbs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    .....

    -AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

    There’s probably never gonna be one that’s 100% match to BM3 sampler. The thing is why would the developer do an auv3 portion of the app??? It’s like asking Obsidian as an auv3.

    Why? Because, they could charge as much for the sampler as for BM3 and have it adopted by the many people that use a different DAW. There might be practical reasons not to do it, but there are upsides, too. In the long run, maintenance of the sampler would likely be less than the DAW and would be less subject to competition given that no AU sampler on iOS has some of the key features that make BM3's sampler so good.

    If you already have BM3 why not just use the sampler and move to another DAW?
    Waiting for that BM3 sampler auv3 is not worth it. It’s been asked since release and there no movement towards that, it’s not even mentioned.

    I think you are misinterpreting what I wrote. I realize that the developer is unlikely to release the sampler as a standalone -- so, I am NOT waiting around for them to do it.

    We were discussing: whether there is an AUv3 (or combination of AUv3s) that cover the functionality (answer: not really -- no AU currently has the quality of pitch/time shifting that BM3 has) and whether it might make business sense to make it available as a separate product (there are both pros and cons).

  • hansjbshansjbs

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hansjbs said:

    .....

    -AUV3 of the sampler portion of BM3, keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂. There are other apps that do that well, go check em out.

    AFAIK, there aren't any AUv3 that are replacements for BM3's sampler. Some have some parts of it covered -- but nothing has it all covered.

    There’s probably never gonna be one that’s 100% match to BM3 sampler. The thing is why would the developer do an auv3 portion of the app??? It’s like asking Obsidian as an auv3.

    Why? Because, they could charge as much for the sampler as for BM3 and have it adopted by the many people that use a different DAW. There might be practical reasons not to do it, but there are upsides, too. In the long run, maintenance of the sampler would likely be less than the DAW and would be less subject to competition given that no AU sampler on iOS has some of the key features that make BM3's sampler so good.

    If you already have BM3 why not just use the sampler and move to another DAW?
    Waiting for that BM3 sampler auv3 is not worth it. It’s been asked since release and there no movement towards that, it’s not even mentioned.

    I think you are misinterpreting what I wrote. I realize that the developer is unlikely to release the sampler as a standalone -- so, I am NOT waiting around for them to do it.

    We were discussing: whether there is an AUv3 (or combination of AUv3s) that cover the functionality (answer: not really -- no AU currently has the quality of pitch/time shifting that BM3 has) and whether it might make business sense to make it available as a separate product (there are both pros and cons).

    My fault. I should not have quoted you on that reply. That was a general statement for everyone that’s been asking for it. Not towards you specifically.

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous
    edited July 2021

    BM3 standalone sampler is more of a fantasy than if NI bought BM3, lol

    Edit: and im one who advocated and stated a lot on this site all i want is a stand alone bm3 sampler...

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada

    @Samu said:
    BM2 had sub-tracks for banks, wonder how that got ’lost’ when BM3 was born…

    This and the way you record IAA/AUv3 into audio tracks is what baffles me why they changed from BM2 (IAA only in that case :lol:)

    And just to take advantage of my indignation/mini-rant...
    NS2 and BM3 need to fix the way you use AUv3 midi - for those who doesn't know, you can't record the midi information without using 3rd party apps 😑

  • SamuSamu

    @senhorlampada said:

    And just to take advantage of my indignation/mini-rant...
    NS2 and BM3 need to fix the way you use AUv3 midi - for those who doesn't know, you can't record the midi information without using 3rd party apps 😑

    Well, that's true but the harsh reality is that both NS2 and BM3 are for now 'one person sweat-shops' and pushing them too hard 'into the wall' will just postpone things even further...

    ...I'm pretty sure both of them are well aware of the current state of things with iOS/iPadOS15 that is around the corner...

    Sure I'd love to see a 'blow my head off' update like the one Akai just dropped for the MPC line but that simply hit gonna happen with BM3 and NS2.

    iPadOS15 would likely be a good timing opportunity for 'big name companies' to reveal what they are working on if they are working on anything.

    Cheers!

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    Imo the sampler from bm3 would make perfect business sense... maybe I’m wrong and bm3 generates revenue as is to justify the work invested, but it’s a b!tch to support and that won’t ever change... a sampler would make even me buy it and I’m not intu a...

    As for big desktop boys coming to liberate us? Apple made sure that they have to work hard just to stay on their platform with existing stuff... and it’s not even close to completion... neither the changes to iOS/OS X nor the fixes / features from app devs side.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited July 2021

    @senhorlampada said:

    @Samu said:
    BM2 had sub-tracks for banks, wonder how that got ’lost’ when BM3 was born…

    This and the way you record IAA/AUv3 into audio tracks is what baffles me why they changed from BM2 (IAA only in that case :lol:)

    And just to take advantage of my indignation/mini-rant...
    NS2 and BM3 need to fix the way you use AUv3 midi - for those who doesn't know, you can't record the midi information without using 3rd party apps 😑

    There is a way!
    Depends on which MIDI AUV3 you use. As long as you can trigger the AUV3 with BM3 internal MIDI such as the keyboard or pads then it records MIDI from AUV3. Good examples are Quantichord, Steppolyarp and Chordpolypad. All three plugins can be triggered from the pads and keyboard in BM3 or a MIDI controller. Great plugins like Tonality don’t seem to work too well in BM3 unless you map the Tonality pads.

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    There is a way!
    Depends on which MIDI AUV3 you use. As long as you can trigger the AUV3 with BM3 internal MIDI such as the keyboard or pads then it records MIDI from AUV3. Good examples are Quantichord, Steppolyarp and Chordpolypad. All three plugins can be triggered from the pads and keyboard in BM3 or a MIDI controller. Great plugins like Tonality don’t seem to work too well in BM3 unless you map the Tonality pads.

    Oh... I know there is a way. I know some people use Midi Tools from Atom developer.
    I actually had RouteMIDIApp I used some time ago to get midi out from Garageband, and I use that one.
    Although it did work on BM3, but didn't get it to work on NS2. Maybe i'll try again.

    I just setup a template bank on BM3 with the desired AUv3 in Midi FX and RouteMIDIApp as "audio" AUv3 in a Pad, and direct that to another instrument track/bank

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