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Finally! A Bluetooth midi pedal.
I’ve been waiting for years for a simple midi pedal that works over Bluetooth. I know there are a couple of workarounds - blueboard, and some adapter you can buy online for traditional midi pedals - but finally there’s this one coming out in October. I think there might be some others here who will be wanting this.
I can’t wait to hook it up to my iPad and start controlling a virtual wah wah, or filter cutoffs on synths, or...? Anything really.
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I was waiting for something like this! 👏🏼
Seems awfully expensive....more expensive than a Blueboard plus expression pedal...which provides a lot more functionality.
Yeah I agree. All these past years I thought if one came out it might/should be priced around $80-$100.
And even at that it would be almost as expensive as a blueboard+expression pedal. Not to mention that with the blueboard you can add a second expression for only $20 or so
Once everything is Bluetooth there will be too much delay for it be workable, Bluetooth on your input device, and then Bluetooth on your audio. The latency will be unbearable, for now anyway.
I was thinking blueboards were a bit more than that... but haven’t checked in a while. Hmmmm I might have to investigate...
MIDI Bluetooth is very different from audio and the latencies are unrelated. MIDI doesn't go through the processor intensive encoding/decoding that audio over bluetooth does.
The list price is $99...they can sometimes be had for less than that.
If I could find a used one I’d consider it for sure!
A friend of mine bought 2 Blueboards on eBay for like $79 each brand new.
He bought two so he could give me one to learn how to use, then show him how to use it. Works amazingly well now that it got the big firmware update a while back that gave it general midi function with CCs, notes, etc (it was a proprietary device that only worked with ikmultimedia apps like Amplitube when it first came out).
I do still want to get another expression pedal for it.
Yess. Very interesting. The cme widi wasn’t for me. This might be it 😊
I agree that it might be expensive but on the the other hand i know Boss as a brand that makes good durable hardware.
two quick comments...
does the blue board have a wah pedal?
Yes. It has 2 inputs for expression pedals
Indeed! I love my BOSS GT1 and every other BOSS pedal I’ve ever had. They build these to be stomped on, and as we all know, BOSS is a Roland brand, so quality is expected with every detail.
I will say though, that here, ikmultimedia beat em to the punch!
The blueboard has ports for two external pedals (which can be expression pedals or sustain pedals) but does not come with an expression pedal. Expression pedals run $20-$30.
Wonderful but I just can’t understand why we had to wait until 2021 to have a Bluetooth expression pedal… 😅
Now let’s wait 2025 for the first Bluetooth breath controller !
@wim What's your take on this:
Plus a custom Raspberry Pi Zero W to roll our own high-end BT controller?
Plus: Let's build Sonobus on the Pi and have stereo audio I/O over WiFi as well 😍
Hard to say. It looks interesting. While the Blueboard works great, especially with an expression pedal and a cheap sustain pedal plugged into it, I've never been a fan of the switches. I prefer the metal stomp-box switches like this has. Having more of them is always a plus too.
As for using it with a Pi Zero W BLE Midi bridge, I'm not so sure. To begin with, if you want to use the audio interface part of it, the USB is going to need to be plugged into your iOS device (probably via a powered USB hub) anyway.
If you don't want to use the audio interface, then it looks like you could send MIDI over the USB to the Pi Zero W, but the documentation isn't real clear about that. Failing that, a DIN to USB adapter could be used, but you'd still need to power the board via USB.
I like the looks of it, and the idea of the built-in audio interface. I'm just can't tell from my quick perusal of the manual how well it would really work out.
That was my first idea too, but there's some genius code that is said to make the RK3 work as a USB device under Linux:
https://pastebin.com/2GzZcsfE
While snd-usb-caiaq already provides access to the virtual audio and MIDI devices, the trick is to convert the USB "NHL" (NI Hardware Layer) to actual MIDI messages which is done by the code linked above.
My idea is to exchange audio over WiFi (using Sonobus on both the Pi Zero W and the iDevice) and MIDI over BTLE.
@rs2000 : have you tried SonoBus over wifi? I found it a pretty frustrating experience -- even with quite large jitter buffers there were occasional dropouts (which can sound pretty nasty) and latency was quite. Sonobus over a wired connection (which can be done via a USB connection) have been reliable with much better latency than via wiFi.
I haven't yet had a single dropout except during adjustments during setup but I've never streamed audio for longer than just a few minutes.
None of my audio iDevices are on iOS 14.x if that makes a difference.
@rs2000 - The Pi Zero is likely to completely choke over the audio. Add the Sonobus latency, and I'm reasonably certain it'll suck big-time.
You mean with compressed audio over the Sonobus link?
I wouldn't even expect to do any realtime processing over Sonobus but being able to record audio over WiFi alone would be a biggie for me, and MIDI over BTLE should have low latency.
I am on iOS 13.7. I get occasional dropouts within a few minutes over wifi. Maybe the device makes a difference? My iPad is a gen 6. What size jitter buffers do you use?
Exactly the same configuration here. OK I'll do a test now.
The zero has limited storage, and processing power. I just don't think it's up to the job for the audio part. The midi part is no problem. It seems like such a low chance of success that I wouldn't try it myself. Just a rough guess. ymmv.
FWIW, with a wired connection between my Mac and iPad, I get roundtrip latency (Mac to iPad and back) of 53 ms with Sonobus -- with a 32 sample buffer on the Mac and 128 buffer on the iPad. Using StudioMux beta, the roundtrip latency is about 18 to 22 ms.