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Finally! A Bluetooth midi pedal.

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  • rs2000rs2000
    edited July 2021

    @wim said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I wouldn't even expect to do any realtime processing over Sonobus but being able to record audio over WiFi alone would be a biggie for me, and MIDI over BTLE should have low latency.

    The zero has limited storage, and processing power. I just don't think it's up to the job for the audio part. The midi part is no problem. It seems like such a low chance of success that I wouldn't try it myself. Just a rough guess. ymmv. ;)

    Who knows. I hoped for linear pcm to be an easy thing but indeed, I should start with Bluetooth MIDI first 👍🏼

    @espiegel123 Sonobus in Drambo on iPad 6 to iPad Mini 2 on iOS 12.4.8 both on a WiFi network with about 80% signal strength. I don't live in a busy WiFi environment.
    Listening with headphones on the receiver and still running well since about 10 minutes.
    Drambo on the sender is even running in the background as I'm writing this.

    Edit: After about 15 minutes, I'm getting regular dropouts. Hmmm.

  • wimwim

    @rs2000 said:

    @wim said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I wouldn't even expect to do any realtime processing over Sonobus but being able to record audio over WiFi alone would be a biggie for me, and MIDI over BTLE should have low latency.

    The zero has limited storage, and processing power. I just don't think it's up to the job for the audio part. The midi part is no problem. It seems like such a low chance of success that I wouldn't try it myself. Just a rough guess. ymmv. ;)

    Who knows. I hoped for linear pcm to be an easy thing but indeed, I should start with Bluetooth MIDI first 👍🏼

    @espiegel123 Sonobus in Drambo on iPad 6 to iPad Mini 2 on iOS 12.4.8 both on a WiFi network with about 80% signal strength. I don't live in a busy WiFi environment.
    Listening with headphones on the receiver and still running well since about 10 minutes.

    I get un-workable latency and dropouts even within the same device with Sonobus. Wifi is completely unusable (for me) even with a peer-to-peer network. I love the idea and the spirit behind Sonobus, but I just can't come up with any ways it's useful for my purposes.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @rs2000 said:

    @wim said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I wouldn't even expect to do any realtime processing over Sonobus but being able to record audio over WiFi alone would be a biggie for me, and MIDI over BTLE should have low latency.

    The zero has limited storage, and processing power. I just don't think it's up to the job for the audio part. The midi part is no problem. It seems like such a low chance of success that I wouldn't try it myself. Just a rough guess. ymmv. ;)

    Who knows. I hoped for linear pcm to be an easy thing but indeed, I should start with Bluetooth MIDI first 👍🏼

    @espiegel123 Sonobus in Drambo on iPad 6 to iPad Mini 2 on iOS 12.4.8 both on a WiFi network with about 80% signal strength. I don't live in a busy WiFi environment.
    Listening with headphones on the receiver and still running well since about 10 minutes.
    Drambo on the sender is even running in the background as I'm writing this.

    What is the jitter buffer size?

    Are you sending/receiving PCM (16 or 24 bit)?

    What sort of latency are you getting?

    Even on my network with no one else on it, I've never been able to go 5 minutes without some dropouts.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @espiegel123 Linear PCM 24 bit, buffer=Auto, 80..90ms latency.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @rs2000 said:
    @espiegel123 Linear PCM 24 bit, buffer=Auto, 80..90ms latency.

    Maybe the newer version has improved things. What buffer size?

  • wimwim
    edited July 2021

    @rs2000 - my comments regarding latency are in context of live playing. For listening 80-90ms is fine, for live playing, not so much. I've always had problems with dropouts too though. That could just be because of my older devices though.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @espiegel123 Drambo: 512 samples, Sonobus: Auto and the receive jitter buffer shows 129ms.
    BTW, do you get dropouts without the "drop" or "resent" counters increasing?
    That's what started to happen here.
    Interestingly, after waiting for another 10 minutes, I'm now back to streaming without dropouts.

    @wim: OK, I wouldn't have touched live playing anyway. I'd just record my noodling on the receiver and do the rest there.
    Another option would be to start/stop audio recording using switches on the controller and automatically transfer that audio clip as a wave file over WiFi/WebDAV.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @rs2000 said:
    @espiegel123 Drambo: 512 samples, Sonobus: Auto and the receive jitter buffer shows 129ms.
    BTW, do you get dropouts without the "drop" or "resent" counters increasing?
    That's what started to happen here.
    Interestingly, after waiting for another 10 minutes, I'm now back to streaming without dropouts.

    Your situation is radically better than mine. Granted I am not the only one on our wifi right now, there are audible dropouts every minute or less.

  • RedSkyLullabyRedSkyLullaby

    Nice. Hoping someone comes out with a Bluetooth sustain pedal too

  • wimwim

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Nice. Hoping someone comes out with a Bluetooth sustain pedal too

    You can plug a standard sustain pedal and an expression pedal (or two sustain pedals) into a Blueboard already.

  • RedSkyLullabyRedSkyLullaby

    @wim said:

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Nice. Hoping someone comes out with a Bluetooth sustain pedal too

    You can plug a standard sustain pedal and an expression pedal (or two sustain pedals) into a Blueboard already.

    Oh nice, might pick one up on eBay

  • mojozartmojozart
    edited July 2021

    I'll probably get one, but I currently use a standard TRS expression pedal plugged into an MIDI-equipped FX pedal (or looper) and then use a WIDI Master or WIDI Jack to send/receive CC over BLE MIDI.

    I think the Boss EV-1 WL is a good companion for the Boss GS-1 guitar.

  • RedSkyLullabyRedSkyLullaby

    This also from cme could be good https://www.facebook.com/groups/cmeprofans/permalink/3065030967060017/

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