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Kajita - AUv3 Plugin Effect by iceWorks, Inc.

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  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @Gavinski said:
    I just had a quick play with it, very enjoyable. One of my absolute favourite devs.

    Do you need it if you already have his other two fx apps? The demo above sounds a lot like those earlier two.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @jonmoore said:
    @lukesleepwalker There’s stuff added to the signal path in Iceworks synths, but Karplus-Strong Synthesis is pretty much a standard digital synthesis technique that has no analog mojo at play so I’d suggest that the resonator itself is the same. There’s definitely some mojo added but it’s not the resonator itself that’s providing it. You can always add other fx with the Spectrum Resonator to create your own personal mojo.

    OK, cool, thanks for pointing that out. I guess it's helpful that it's a standard technique but all I know is that when I use the UI and features in, say, Kronecker I get much different results than what I get in Spectrum. I think there's considerable value in the app design to allow time-constrained and focus-challenged people like myself to dial in cool sounds. But I get your point that others could find their way to similar results by tinkering a bit.

    The Spectrum apps are ports of eurorack modules. They really shine when you apply modulation to various parameters.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @jonmoore said:
    @lukesleepwalker There’s stuff added to the signal path in Iceworks synths, but Karplus-Strong Synthesis is pretty much a standard digital synthesis technique that has no analog mojo at play so I’d suggest that the resonator itself is the same. There’s definitely some mojo added but it’s not the resonator itself that’s providing it. You can always add other fx with the Spectrum Resonator to create your own personal mojo.

    OK, cool, thanks for pointing that out. I guess it's helpful that it's a standard technique but all I know is that when I use the UI and features in, say, Kronecker I get much different results than what I get in Spectrum. I think there's considerable value in the app design to allow time-constrained and focus-challenged people like myself to dial in cool sounds. But I get your point that others could find their way to similar results by tinkering a bit.

    The Spectrum apps are ports of eurorack modules. They really shine when you apply modulation to various parameters.

    Exactly my point. Some folks hear eurorack and say “yes!” And some hear modulation parameters and think “woohoo”. Others (like me) see a dial that makes a cool sound cooler and are happy with that.

  • tahichetahiche
    edited August 2021

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  • shinyisshinyshinyisshiny

    it sounds wonderful! great app from a great dev. i dont need it, but ....

  • eylvyeylvy

    Kajita on drums, synths, piano and drone

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    The Spectrum apps are ports of eurorack modules. They really shine when you apply modulation to various parameters.

    Exactly my point. Some folks hear eurorack and say “yes!” And some hear modulation parameters and think “woohoo”. Others (like me) see a dial that makes a cool sound cooler and are happy with that.

    In Spectrum you just hit the lfo or envelope tab and tweeze the dial. Very easy. It doesn’t have to involve external modulators unless you want them.

  • jonmoorejonmoore

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    The Spectrum apps are ports of eurorack modules. They really shine when you apply modulation to various parameters.

    Exactly my point. Some folks hear eurorack and say “yes!” And some hear modulation parameters and think “woohoo”. Others (like me) see a dial that makes a cool sound cooler and are happy with that.

    In Spectrum you just hit the lfo or envelope tab and tweeze the dial. Very easy. It doesn’t have to involve external modulators unless you want them.

    In truth, if you really want to get the most from Mutable Instruments clones (Spectrum is a Mutable Instruments clone) it’s best to use those in miRack, as a modular environment is what Mutable Instruments modules were designed for.

    If you know nothing about modular synthesis, learning the Mutable Instruments clones in miRack (there’s 19 so far) is an excellent starting point for your journey into modular. They’re listed as Audible Instruments in miRack (just as they are in VCV Rack). The reason they’re a good starting point is because they’re exceptionally well documented and there’s a wealth of tutorial videos online for Mutable Instruments modules, so it won’t take too long to get your feet wet in a productive manner.

    One thing it’s worth knowing about the Mutable Instruments clones is that they were designed to be run at 96k as that’s the sampling rate the hardware runs at ( to minimise aliasing), so even if you normally run your DAW at 48k, to get the best out of miRack, it’s best if you have an external audio device that allows you to work at 96k.

  • AileromAilerom

    Kajita is a beast. Sounds great but there is a lot to learn. Would be great to have the manual to study when not online. Is there anyway to download the manual?

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Ailerom said:
    Kajita is a beast. Sounds great but there is a lot to learn. Would be great to have the manual to study when not online. Is there anyway to download the manual?

    https://icegear.net/kajita/manual/

    When you open the manual in your browser, select the Share button at the top right and choose ‘print’. Then do a 2-finger zoom out to make this full screen. Then press the share button again, this time ‘books’ will come up as an option to share to.

  • AileromAilerom

    @Gavinski said:

    @Ailerom said:
    Kajita is a beast. Sounds great but there is a lot to learn. Would be great to have the manual to study when not online. Is there anyway to download the manual?

    https://icegear.net/kajita/manual/

    When you open the manual in your browser, select the Share button at the top right and choose ‘print’. Then do a 2-finger zoom out to make this full screen. Then press the share button again, this time ‘books’ will come up as an option to share to.

    You sir, are a champion. Thanks very much.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited September 2021

    Bought the app and have only messed around with it a couple of minutes. I think I've arrived at a point that apps which require too much of my attention to customize and which do not make the customization process easy to understand immediately are a real waste of my time. This app is OK for noodlers, but are an annoyance and just get in the way during production. I'm done with IceWorks apps until they can work on their UI. Their apps are needlessly complex, regardless of the quality of output. I love apps which have been so smartly designed that an amateur can dive right in and use them, but the technical person can go further into the app and also get exactly what they're looking for.

  • AileromAilerom

    @NeuM said:
    Bought the app and have only messed around with it a couple of minutes. I think I've arrived at a point that apps which require too much of my attention to customize and which do not make the customization process easy to understand immediately are a real waste of my time. This app is OK for noodlers, but are an annoyance and just get in the way during production. I'm done with IceWorks apps until they can work on their UI. Their apps are needlessly complex, regardless of the quality of output. I love apps which have been so smartly designed that an amateur can dive right in and use them, but the technical person can go further into the app and also get exactly what they're looking for.

    I think you're both right. It sounds great, is a really enjoyeable expedition for the sonic explorer but not always something I want to or have the time/focus to spend time on when writing and recording. I usually start the writing process with a basic guitar idea and fluff it up from there. Too much time during that stage, and this is just for me personally, gets in the way of where the creation is heading. Flipping presets is about all I'm likely to do if needed to spark some added inspiration.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    Kajita is deep. I love it. The lengths in need to go to to replace a randomizer button though… 😆

  • SchmotownSchmotown

    I bought Kajita when it came out but didn’t spend much time with it. This morning, I put it on the end of a guitar signal chain and got emmersed in it for something like an hour and a half. What a beautiful, mesmerizing effect, especially through headphones.

  • SlushSlush

    @Schmotown said:
    I bought Kajita when it came out but didn’t spend much time with it. This morning, I put it on the end of a guitar signal chain and got emmersed in it for something like an hour and a half. What a beautiful, mesmerizing effect, especially through headphones.

    It does seem very interesting but that UI makes me very nervous :#

  • SchmotownSchmotown

    @Slush said:

    It does seem very interesting but that UI makes me very nervous :#

    I doubt I’ll ever learn how to customize it but between the factory presets and the 300+ more contributed by @Emanresu, it shouldn’t be hard to find a good one… https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/46851/666-free-presets-for-kajita

  • TelefunkyTelefunky
    edited August 2023

    @GLacey said:

    @jonmoore said:
    There are two diagrams on the Icegear website that provide a better idea of the signal flow if you're a visual thinker. And the online manual is available for download too: Kjita Manual.

    Great sounding multi-tap delay, and definitely worth the asking price, even if you're a preset jockey.


    This is frightening...
    I'm too tired and too old to even try to understand :)

    Well... that‘s easy peasy. According to rumors when Michael Carnes left Lexicon he took a diagram of the PCM reverb (his main development) with him, that was said to cover one full wall of his office. :mrgreen:
    https://www.fast-and-wide.com/more/fast-talk/10839-interview-michael-carnes
    (not related to the diagram)

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Slush said:

    @Schmotown said:
    I bought Kajita when it came out but didn’t spend much time with it. This morning, I put it on the end of a guitar signal chain and got emmersed in it for something like an hour and a half. What a beautiful, mesmerizing effect, especially through headphones.

    It does seem very interesting but that UI makes me very nervous :#

    I found that kajita diagram very confusing at first, and I think that is partly because it was perhaps drawn to look cool, moreso than accessible. But actually when u sit down and take a proper look at it and have a play around, it's genuinely pretty straight forward.

  • SlushSlush
    edited August 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @Slush said:

    @Schmotown said:
    I bought Kajita when it came out but didn’t spend much time with it. This morning, I put it on the end of a guitar signal chain and got emmersed in it for something like an hour and a half. What a beautiful, mesmerizing effect, especially through headphones.

    It does seem very interesting but that UI makes me very nervous :#

    I found that kajita diagram very confusing at first, and I think that is partly because it was perhaps drawn to look cool, moreso than accessible. But actually when u sit down and take a proper look at it and have a play around, it's genuinely pretty straight forward.

    Ok, I will check some demos, see if this is something I can use. B)

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