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Neon - 4Pockets AUV3 Audio Editor and clip launcher

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  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Pierre118 said:

    @eross said:

    @Pierre118 said:

    @Samu said:
    Does this one support 24-bit recording?

    Look at my comment(just_pierre) on Youtube, Paul replied to my question about 24 bit recording :

    i don’t see your comment on that video about 24 bit recording. what did he say ?

    Read this thread back! It's all there

    Considering that Multitrack Recorder never got 24bit recording, I wouldn't hold out hope.

    It is quite possible that he hasn’t had enough requests for 24-bit n MT Recorder to decide it is worth the effort.

    Considering 16-bit CD quality audio already exceeds the range of human hearing, why do people want 24-bit?

    You will find plenty of material about this with a little research. Short-version. More headroom and dynamic range and more bits to work with for DSP when applying effects. Even when 16-bit is the preferred final delivery mechanism, you get fewer artifacts if you have 24-bit (or higher sources).

    "You will find plenty of material about this with a little research"...

    You know, you don't need to be smarmy about it. If answering questions you feel are beneath you, by all means, don't respond. I don't care for your opinion because others here are capable of providing brief explanations without the attitude.

    You are reading attitude into my response that was not there. I wasn’t being smarmy.

    It is a rich topic with more to it than can be accurately captured in a short response (though I included the tldr, too). I thought you might appreciate knowing that there is a lot of info out there that might be of interest to you.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Pierre118 said:

    @eross said:

    @Pierre118 said:

    @Samu said:
    Does this one support 24-bit recording?

    Look at my comment(just_pierre) on Youtube, Paul replied to my question about 24 bit recording :

    i don’t see your comment on that video about 24 bit recording. what did he say ?

    Read this thread back! It's all there

    Considering that Multitrack Recorder never got 24bit recording, I wouldn't hold out hope.

    It is quite possible that he hasn’t had enough requests for 24-bit n MT Recorder to decide it is worth the effort.

    Considering 16-bit CD quality audio already exceeds the range of human hearing, why do people want 24-bit?

    You will find plenty of material about this with a little research. Short-version. More headroom and dynamic range and more bits to work with for DSP when applying effects. Even when 16-bit is the preferred final delivery mechanism, you get fewer artifacts if you have 24-bit (or higher sources).

    "You will find plenty of material about this with a little research"...

    You know, you don't need to be smarmy about it. If answering questions you feel are beneath you, by all means, don't respond. I don't care for your opinion because others here are capable of providing brief explanations without the attitude.

    P.s. @NeuM : You asked me a question. I answered and then you waxed poetic about how you don’t care what I have to say. Why ask me a question if you generally don’t like what I have to say?

  • StudioESStudioES

    Basically, the bit-depth of the finished product (CD, streaming...) is completely different from the bit-depth while recording. Why? Because if you're recording a very dynamic vocalist, drummer, or fingerpicking guitarist, you may need to boost some parts and cut some other parts of their take, like when they're whispering and when they're screaming into the mic. 24-bits means you have a much wider dynamic range to work with, from their low-volume parts to high-volume parts. At lower bit-depths the whispers may be too quiet, and the screaming parts may distort. And if you need to boost/cut, then you're SOL.

    Usually synth and sample-based stuff is already prepared (aka 'radio-ready') so these electronic instruments may not need such a wide dynamic range while recording. Unless you plan on adding effects or dynamic processing and EQing, in a dense mix, which is another area where high bit-depths will help/save the day.

  • BitterGumsBitterGums
    edited September 2021

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    An AUv3 cannot itself host another AUv3. But since this app seems to be single instance one can of course put any number of AUs behind it.

    Thanx! I wondered about that.

  • SamuSamu

    @ocelot said:

    Usually synth and sample-based stuff is already prepared (aka 'radio-ready') so these electronic instruments may not need such a wide dynamic range while recording. Unless you plan on adding effects or dynamic processing and EQing, in a dense mix, which is another area where high bit-depths will help/save the day.

    Agreed, most DAWs work internally at 32-bit float (AUM included) so a 16-bit recording is converted to 32-bit float on-the fly for processing by the effects. Most AUv3 effects as far as I know work with 32-bit floats there might a a few exceptions though...

    I really don't have the energy to test all the AUv3 effects and their bit-depth capabilities by feeding them with low-level signals and check for bit-quantizing artifacts...

  • BitterGumsBitterGums

    @Samu that's really interesting. makes sense though. guessing it's converted back to 16 when it's done being processed ?

  • SamuSamu

    @BitterGums said:
    @Samu that's really interesting. makes sense though. guessing it's converted back to 16 when it's done being processed ?

    Don't know how Neon works, but if it does 16-bit recording it has to truncate/resample the 32-bit floats that AUM sends to it...

  • BitterGumsBitterGums

    gotcha

  • BitterGumsBitterGums

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @BitterGums said:
    Thought of these minor requests after watching the video:

    1. Use of AUv3 audio effects
    2. Multiple fade curve options
    3. 'Neon' button above VU meter allows change of waveform color not just associated icon color

    An AUv3 cannot itself host another AUv3. But since this app seems to be single instance one can of course put any number of AUs behind it.

  • BitterGumsBitterGums

    ;)

  • RajahPRajahP

    @BitterGums said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @BitterGums said:
    Thought of these minor requests after watching the video:

    1. Use of AUv3 audio effects
    2. Multiple fade curve options
    3. 'Neon' button above VU meter allows change of waveform color not just associated icon color

    An AUv3 cannot itself host another AUv3. But since this app seems to be single instance one can of course put any number of AUs behind it.

    Maybe I misunderstood... But didn't the notes say 'Standalone' mode?

  • FingolfinzzFingolfinzz

    Auv3 hosting is in standalone only. If it is being used as an audio unit, it won’t be able to host another audio unit within it

  • Max_FreeMax_Free

    Can it record in sync with the host/other apps, or triggered by midi, like, for example, one measure of audio from some sequence?

  • SimonSimon
    edited October 2021

    In this video Leo shows how to use AUv3 FX in standalone Neon:

  • sharifkerbagesharifkerbage

    Neon is freezing up when dragging wavs from the audio pool, this is only happening when using it as standalone, it doesn’t happen in the AUv3 plugin. iPadOS 15.3.1
    Anyone else having this issue?

  • NeuMNeuM

    ...

  • MonkeyDrummerMonkeyDrummer

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    Is it me, or does 4pockets stuff always fall just short of where I want/need it to be?

    +1

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous
    edited May 2023

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    Is it me, or does 4pockets stuff always fall just short of where I want/need it to be?

    +1

    I'm gonna revise that a bit, cause i've been loving Neon lately.....

  • McDMcD

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    Is it me, or does 4pockets stuff always fall just short of where I want/need it to be?

    +1

    “I don’t get no respect.” - Rodney Dangerfield

    I think 4 Pockets has a nice catalog of apps that scratch some itches nothing else does as well.

    1. Neon can record an AUM session independent of the AUM transport.
    2. Euclidean Sequencer has a lot of cool features from funk to ambient… like “Strokes” without the confusing interface and $25 cost
    3. AudioScope can bring soloists to the front with a simple press of the MIX button… dozens of mixes
    4. Chameleon is useful for simple sample-based instruments at a low cost

    Paul also makes solid videos explaining his rather complex user interfaces (they have similar designs so you eventually get the idea).

    He’s a product machine but I suspect more product pays more bills and it looks like this is his job.

  • SimonSimon

    @McD said:
    I think 4 Pockets has a nice catalog of apps that scratch some itches nothing else does as well.

    +1.

    He makes some very useful apps.

  • espiegel123espiegel123
    edited May 2023

    @McD said:

    ….,

    I think 4 Pockets has a nice catalog of apps that scratch some itches nothing else does as well.

    1. Neon can record an AUM session independent of the AUM transport.

    Neon is a handy app. It is NOT unique, though, in its ability to record audio in AUM independent of AUM’s transport.

  • McDMcD
    edited May 2023

    @espiegel123 said:

    @McD said:

    ….,

    I think 4 Pockets has a nice catalog of apps that scratch some itches nothing else does as well.

    1. Neon can record an AUM session independent of the AUM transport.

    Neon is a handy app. It is unique, though, in its ability to record audio in AUM independent of AUM’s transport.

    That seems like it could be useful in NanoStudio 2, too? Right? Maybe just turn it on at the start of a session and then use it’s editing features to pull out useful audio later.

    Are people still recording audio in Drambo with the Sampler? Maybe it has a play there too. Please comment to show Paul a little love for his efforts. The “too little for my tastes” comments are a lot like the @Virsyn negativity that was common here a few years ago. Since then, AudioLayer, Tera Pro, etc… lots of features and aggressive updates to get more customers and satisfy users.

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous
    edited May 2023

    Paul, if you are reading this, I'd love if Neon colored the waveform the same color as the node color. It would help keep windows identifiable when i have 6-10 instances open :)

    (your website shows under construction so dunno where/how to submit requests to you)

  • wimwim
    edited May 2023

    support @ 4pockets.com
    I've almost (but not always) gotten a reply with the above.

    Probably very hit or miss ... @4pockets_paul (24 visits - last active March 2023)

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @McD : see my edited post. Neon is NOT unique in being able to record in AUM independent of the transport.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    I have discussed this with Paul but I still hope he may come around to it one day. My one request for Neon is a higher quality timestretch algorithm to bring it up to Koala or BM3 standards.

  • McDMcD

    @espiegel123 said:
    @McD : see my edited post. Neon is NOT unique in being able to record in AUM independent of the transport.

    You don’t say. In fact you didn’t say twice.

  • aaaaaa

    Does Neon still force all audio recordings to 16-bit in Standalone mode and AUv3 mode, or has that been improved?

  • wimwim

    @aaa said:
    Does Neon still force all audio recordings to 16-bit in Standalone mode and AUv3 mode, or has that been improved?

    I don't know about actual recording bit depth, but you can export files at 24bit.

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