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Amazing. Are you using the Auditor Audio File Player in AUM? I need to dive into Auditor. It seems to do everything I want, but the control panel of icons is a little intimidating. It feels a little like a plane cockpit. Any good intro videos? Is the manual well written? I should start a new thread, I think.
Thank ya sirrr
What is the point of this panel ? It’s impossible to set the tempo, anyone has some infos on how to change the tempo.
Fir now it only follow the tempo of the (Host) when it sync and remain freeze when not.
Is it for setting the tempo when in standalone mode?
Your right it works in stand alone mode it’s a pity it doesn’t work in auv3 mode.
it’ll facilitate to found samples tempo aligning timeline bar to the end of the sample.
For now I have to change AUM tempo to do so.
I guess disabling host sync when used as an AUv3 allows one to change the tempo in Neon or something like that…
No, tempo is lock when doing so.
To be precise it briefly add or remove 1 to current value brune return to its previous value. Look like a beautiful bug
Neon has never been advertised as being able to stretch a sample to any bpm in the auv3. In that regard it doesn’t look like a bug to me in the auv3 version other than a very minor UI issue in having bpm clickable at all.
I mean in reality and in all sensible and practical purposes why on Earth would anyone wish to set the tempo differently to the host? Click “warp” to timestretch to host, don’t click it to leave the sample at the current speed.
If you wish to timestretch to a different bpm then use the stand-alone - the stretched file will appear in the auv3’s audio pool.
The sync button is in relation to the playback position in Neon being in sync with the host’s playback position : so pressing stop on the host and then start again (“pause” & then “continue” basically) means Neon will continue mid-sample in sync with the host (effectively pausing Neon as well) - the sync button has nothing to do with the bpm field.
Well, half/double-tempo might be one use case but that's apparently not something Neon was designed to do?!
If I import a loop I know is for example 80BPM I sure would love to see that 80BPM somewhere in the UI?!
This way I could change that '80' to '160' or '40' for double/half-speed playback without messing with the pitch and by doing that I could always keep the tempo at half/double the hosts tempo as well...
(This is something that works very well in BM3 and in Koala I can set the length of the stretched loop in beats to accomplish the same thing, ex. 1/2 bar or 2 bars depending on the loops actual duration).
I'm kinda happy I no longer suffer from severe app-o-holism thus I don't rush out to buy every new app that pops up...
...it also saves the frustration which would be caused by these kind of 'basic' issues
Ok I understand your point of view.
But keeping unreachable U.I. Élément on a plugin is a very very strange Design.
Why launching the standard alone version when the plugin could do the job?
And why not let users chose the source BPM of a sample , when all the code is already here ?
I really don’t see the point?
A feature request
Can you save the meta data of loop length, snap values, was it looped, was it synched and other relevant data of saved samples. Would make loading and playing samples easier.
That would indeed be a nice addition together with 'Loop Editing' (ie. create a sustain loop for instrument type sounds or sound effects).
Yes a crossfade loop editor would also be a very nice addition
All that can be done in the stand-alone which was designed for that type of thing. The edits then being available in the audio pool of the auv3.
Neon auv3 was never marketed as a replacement for Koala auv3 (they both came out the same day so how could it have been) but it seems people expect it to be.
Neon works incredibly well in both auv3 and stand-alone for what it was designed to do. People on here are just expecting (or wanting) it to do something else. That happens on here a lot.
Example: Neon is a sample editor, that’s how it was marketed, with an auv3 extension that is tied to the host. Someone on here said “I want to clip launch with the auv3”; that request was adhered to; oh - Neon now has “show stopping” bugs (with LK in Cubasis). Whereas, @4pockets has other auv3s that integrate with Neon’s audio pool and were designed and marketed to perform this exact task.
I like @brambos approach - this is it, I’ll bug fix, I MAY add stuff in future I think you’ll think is cool but essentially this is it. Works for your workflow as is? Good! Doesn’t work for your workflow as is? Ok, it’s not for you.
But this is really a whole different topic.
To be fair to anyone who bought Neon for its clip launching ability, it was marketed as both a clip launcher and sample editor. That ability is advertised in both the app description and the title of the preview video for the app.
It does launch clips as advertised but there are couple of triggering bugs (not show-stoppers as they can be worked around) which, if fixed, would allow LK inside AUM to trigger Neon to record perfect audio loops and also trigger those audio recordings. LK could then be used as a clip launcher for both audio and MIDI. This is a workflow that a number of people have been looking for a solution to for some time and nothing has come along yet that works fully satisfactorily.
Koala does a great job on the triggering and sample mangling side but it can't do native perfect loop recording. Rather than any of the sample editing functionality it was the perfect loop recording which was the USP of Neon for me as no other AUv3 does this. Unfortunately though, none of the 4pockets apps (to my knowledge) store sample data with their save state which for me is the main drawback to using them as I like my project backups to be self-contained and complete.
Personally, I'm using GB Live Loops for this type of workflow until Loopy Pro arrives or LK add native audio clips as there is always something that doesn't quite work the way you want it to when cobbling solutions together.
Paul has been busy!
New one shot/retrigger mode should work nicely for freeform sample triggering in LK.
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Neon - Tutorial 2 - Slicing and Stretching:
Can someone post a comparison of Neon’s tine-stretch and that of something like BM3 or BlocsWave or ZenBeats or Cubasis or Koala?
Updated…
New video posted earlier today going into some of the new features in more depth and previewing some functionality from the as yet unreleased v1.05:
The new features look good. The slice feature looks like a port from Digistix2.
I've been holding off, but wondering is Neon good for:
1. A place to store all my samples
2. Quickly search, find, listen/audition samples whilst in AUM
3. Edit, render selected samples
4. Drag n drop to other apps like Koala
Is the browser, search audition functionality good?
I love the way Paul adds "tried-and-tested" modules from other 4Pockets apps, like the auto sampler module.
If you use other 4Pockets apps then you will already know how the new feature works. Makes learning easy.
This is testament to not just his coding skills but his foresight in designing each element of every product in a truly generically-modular way - so that any piece of functionality can be easily implemented by any of his products.
An element can be as simple as a UI element or as complex as a library of dsp code calculation - and everything in between.
It simplifies the adding of new features plus adds robustness to his apps - make a bug fix to an element in 1 app then a recompile of all other apps that implement that feature also get the bug fix automatically.
I’ve often seen comments like “how does he release stuff so quickly?”, or “he’s on fire!”
Well, this is the reason.
As I too pay the bills by being a programmer (not apps) I salute him - he really knows what he is doing 👌👌
Hi there, yes. Neon does all. Deep searching, you can have folders. Drag and drop into and from Neon. So you can drop from Neon into Apps like Koala, BM3 etc. You can also use Neon in split screen mode with other apps. You can use warp markers, and soon some new features are dropping too.
Could you post some examples of it’s time-stretching with warp markers? There have been mixed reports about the time-stretch quality. It would be great to hear how it sounds.
Will do as soon as i get home. It’s not elastique audio but it still does a good job.
No one should be expecting elastique (or close) from indie developers who sell apps at the price point we are accustomed to paying.
Koala is actually quite close.