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Just bought this after finding out it does ‘slice to midi’ ableton style. Just caught up on the thread.
Great that it has timestretch, but is there a way to speed up a sample without timestretch? I’m going to be using this on drum breaks that are usually pitched up when faster.
@gregsmith could try the pitch shift effect in the operations menu ?
Not really doing what I’m after I don’t think. Thanks though.
It’s funny - you can change the tempo to make it fit the wav, but you can’t change the wav to fit the tempo, apart from with warp. I can just do it in another app I suppose, but seems like it’d be an easy thing for this app to do.
I’ll send Paul an email and see what he thinks.
I think if you press and hold the Tempo button Neon detaches from the host tempo. Touch the tempo button again to reveal the tempo adjustment.
Then you can drag Neon’s tempo to fit a sample to a timeline range.
Is that what you’re trying to do?
Nope, the opposite. I want to leave the tempo as it is and change the sample to fit the tempo. I know this is what warp does, but I don’t want to use the timestretch algorithm.
How can you change the duration of a sample and keep the pitch without using a stretch algorithm?? The only way to do that is to trim the sample. That’s true for any app.
@gregsmith - If Neon is able to slice to midi, then maybe what you mean is playing back the slices at a new tempo? That would accomplish what you say without stretching the sample.
I would assume you’d need to take that midi to a sequencer, then play back the midi to trigger the slices in Neon.
[edit] yeh, looking at the app description, I think that’s right.
I don’t want to keep the pitch. That’s my whole point.
For once, I don’t want to stretch, I just want to speed it up/slow it down. Can’t work out how to do this in neon without using warp.
I understand now. Bought the app and can’t see any way to do that.
On the other hand, slice to midi works great. Drag the midi button into LK or Atom2 and get an instant pattern to play back the slices at any tempo. (Tip, set launch mode to gate.) 👍
yes, i’ve requested this from Paul early on ... there does need to be a ‘speed’ effect that can be applied to a selection. please do send him a mail .. the more he hears about it the more likely he might implement..
It’s great isn’t it. The slice to midi is the whole reason I bought it, so I can mess around with breaks with midi without losing their groove.
This video started me down this rabbit hole:
I don’t even make liquid dnb but I love the idea of just taking certain percussive elements out of a sample.
Thing is, the low quality timestretch kinda ruins the clean effect. Gate mode REALLY helps though so thanks for that tip!
Will see what Paul comes back with.
Edit: @wim you can also drag the slices over to koala and use the same midi, just change the midi root note in the koala settings.
and while yr in conversation maybe mention that we could do with a way to export the whole folder of slices in one go ... its a bit mad to have this lovely slicer but have to drag n drop each slice individually, be great when you can drag a folder out to files or if the audio in neon was visible in Files app to multi select.
I thought you could do that already! Will ask him if he replies. It’s a bit hit and miss with Paul. Presumably the drag and drop in iOS could allow us to drag and drop all the slices straight from neon to koala in one go? 🤤
I have to say, this app has restored my faith in @4Pockets a bit. Wav editing is perfect for his UI style, and he has really hit a niche with the slice to midi.
Cool vid! But how can you keep the groove with Neon? Is there a way to export in a daw the midi timing the same way it is presented in the video?
I see from the AppStore description that Neon has a maximum 15 minute recording time in AU mode. Anyone know if this is any shorter or longer for dragging from the audio pool/files app?
well if you discover a way or workaround lemmy know ,, it maybe low priority because of course you can just use the Neon itself as the midi player.. which is great but sometimes i really would like to get those slices into Segments quickly and have the midi file match exactly rather than rely on Segments threshold chopping at the same points. or some such workflow..
p.s. drag n drop from files would be ok EXCEPT no audio files show in the Neon folder in Files , maybe this is just ios 13 problem?
Like this video, posted very kindly by @Jeezs
I’m guessing you can drag the midi to LK too but haven’t tried it yet.
I don’t think neon can store its samples where they’re accessible in the files app AND have them available to the auv3. This is a limitation of iOS as far as I understand.
I see what you mean about not being able to export multiple slices out of the app - they just go to the media bay don’t they. It’d be great to be able to drag from the ‘export slices’ button just like you can from an individual slice.
yeah it just needs the same drag n drop for the folders , but i have no idea if that’s an easy thing to code ... maybe just the ability to zip up a folder in the mediabay would be the next best thing.
Woahh this is so cool…thanks for the trick
You can still export the sliced wavs out of the media bay though, so it’s not a dead duck or a “showstopper” I’d have thought - just a couple of extra taps with your finger on the screen 👍😊
Yeah it’s really just micro-optimising at this point ☺️
Although the speed up down is essential for any wav editor imo. It’d be great to be able to dial the speed up and down and watch the wav grow and shrink to match the bars ruler.
Another thing that bugs me is that you can’t edit a selection once you’ve made it without using the slicer. It’d be good if a selection had a draggable start and end point, just like any other wav editor.
I had a go with the hot pants break here:
I think it’d sound better without the timestretch as you can hear it as soon as it kicks in.
Still cool we can do this sort of thing on iOS.
PS @wim this actually sounded better in one shot mode as I moved the midi around slightly.
This might sound like an obvious question, but I’ve watched many of the videos and not seen it once, nor have I seen anyone hitting the actual edit icon to show what is under there (a screenshot would be appreciated) - though I expect it will be the usual stuff. Anyway, my question is - can you split a piece of audio then highlight it and slide it back and along the timeline - like on a conventional DAW? And can you glue sections together?
16 possibly 32 or more extra finger of fudges doesn’t quite come under “a couple”, plus the possibility to lose count of where you are by number 9 or so when you get........
squirrel!
depends on yr usage really.
weirdly just touching the selection start or end cursor and dragging works for me .... !! does it not for you?
Oh yeah you’re right. I wasn’t long pressing for long enough. Still, a visual handle or something would have made it more obvious.
When dragging the sliced midi into something like Atom2, it's very important to turn off quantize to keep the groove and minimize glitches.
Edit isn’t what you think it’s going to be. You can basically zoom right into the wavs and edit them on a sample level - way over my head that is but I’m sure it’s useful to someone!
Neon doesn’t work like most wav editors I’ve used, but the slicer interface is powerful and the clipboard menu offers some useful standard stuff. I’d recommend watching the videos on Paul’s YouTube channel - https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCB-MAYGMuvGSiG1Ygr7vEaA
Thanks for that 😀. I have watched the videos, but like I was saying in his and every other video out there - for some reason nobody goes near the edit function (unless I have missed it.. I did a bit of fast flicking to try to catch it) but it seems to be all focussed on sample import, sample slicing and replacing, AUM recording direct, playing multiple instances together .. but next to nothing on editing the waveform. There is no manual to refer to as usual so it’s a guessing game as far as that aspect is concerned. I’m reluctant to pay a tenner only to find out there is no such function. I would expect it but how would you know?
Paul mentions the edit button in one of his videos and zooms right in, but even he doesn’t attempt to do anything to show how it works 😂
To answer your other question, you can’t split and drag around bits of the sample, but you can select an area, copy and paste it, insert blank space, delete a bit of the sample, so you should be able to achieve most edits you need I think.