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iOS 15 is out!

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  • @tja said:

    @TonalityApp said:
    Anyone else finding that rotating the iPad rearranges your apps? On most pages the left-to-right order is at least preserved, but it seems like chunks are exchanged on my home page...

    Yes, your screenshot makes this well visible!

    After the Camera, Drive should follow.

    Apple messes things up again.

    I recall you were running the iPadOS15 betas no?
    Did you report them issues back to Apple??

  • @TonalityApp said:

    Anyone else finding that rotating the iPad rearranges your apps? On most pages the left-to-right order is at least preserved, but it seems like chunks are exchanged on my home page...

    In fairness, this is the most daring piece of innovation I have seen in 15 so far. It's obviously irrelevant whether you and I agree with it, as Apple has always known better.

  • @Samu said:

    @tja said:

    @TonalityApp said:
    Anyone else finding that rotating the iPad rearranges your apps? On most pages the left-to-right order is at least preserved, but it seems like chunks are exchanged on my home page...

    Yes, your screenshot makes this well visible!

    After the Camera, Drive should follow.

    Apple messes things up again.

    I recall you were running the iPadOS15 betas no?
    Did you report them issues back to Apple??

    Not in this case! I only ran the iOS 15 beta on my phone. This happened right after I updated my iPad from the public release of iOS 14 to the public release of iOS 15 and hasn't gone away yet. I will report it though.

  • @TonalityApp said:

    Not in this case! I only ran the iOS 15 beta on my phone. This happened right after I updated my iPad from the public release of iOS 14 to the public release of iOS 15 and hasn't gone away yet. I will report it though.

    Goodie, I only have one bug on my iPhone 8 with iOS15 and it's a quite popular one...
    ...can't get rid of the notification that complains my device is almost out of storage even though there's plenty free storage left.
    (It was even more amusing to see the 'bug' on a friends iPhone 12 Pro Max with 512GB storage and >450GB free...).

    Oh well, I guess a 15.0.1 will drop quite soon as the storage bug thing just just bad PR.

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    @Samu said:

    @TonalityApp said:

    Not in this case! I only ran the iOS 15 beta on my phone. This happened right after I updated my iPad from the public release of iOS 14 to the public release of iOS 15 and hasn't gone away yet. I will report it though.

    Goodie, I only have one bug on my iPhone 8 with iOS15 and it's a quite popular one...
    ...can't get rid of the notification that complains my device is almost out of storage even though there's plenty free storage left.
    (It was even more amusing to see the 'bug' on a friends iPhone 12 Pro Max with 512GB storage and >450GB free...).

    Oh well, I guess a 15.0.1 will drop quite soon as the storage bug thing just just bad PR.

    Yeah I had a similar issue on my phone, though in my case the storage would appear to fill up with corrupted/garbage data.

    On further inspection, the home screen layout issue might be a feature and not a bug??? When I rearrange apps in landscape, the ordering is only preserved until I switch to portrait (and analogous for portrait to landscape). I don't recall hearing about this anywhere, but maybe I missed it?

    Edit: looks like it is a feature and people have been similarly confused: https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSBeta/comments/objnau/ipados_15_db2_allows_separate_home_screen/

    I can see how this would be useful especially with widgets, but it gets very annoying in some cases – there should definitely be an option to turn that behavior off...

  • Yes I will probably update sooner than later on my 12.9 pro as I like the incremental quality of life improvements in each iOS update and never want to go back to a previous iteration. :)

    @Samu said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Much less wasted space now compared to 14 etc. If you add a widget then the space becomes more grid like again.
    This aversion to a new layout is common when you aren't used to it, it will grow on you ;)

    +1

    I'm also liking the Applibrary that finally organizes apps based on the AppStore category and search is fast.
    No need to have redundant AUv3 app icons cluttering the home screens in folders after folders after folders.

    Digging the 3 dot menu as well, just wish more apps where 'split screen ready'.

    My 'app cleanup' resulted in 300 apps left on my iPad Air 2 and I don't miss any of those that got deleted...
    (Started with over 650 apps so it took a while to clean up and keep the 'cream of the crop').

    Over all I'm very happy with iPadOS15.
    On the iPhone there is one 'visual glitch' and that's the 'iPhone Almost out of storage' notification even though I have +25GB free.

    Cheers!

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  • @tja said:
    I had high hopes that the Files App could finally be usable (due to the many crashes and problems with background helper processes not answering), but the first thing I see, is this:

    Those 'Storage Providers' might need to be updated since there's been some changes under the hood...
    ...again nothing new but give it a week or two and the updates will start popping up.
    (Developers were not even allowed to submit iOS15 updated apps too long ago so they might still be in the 'review process').

    'AudioShare Files' is the one that 'works' like it used to.
    I don't use the other providers so contact their developers and nag on them instead....
    ...no one here will be able to fix the problems anyway.

    Cheers!

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  • @tja said:
    I could reproduce with a newly installed browser extention/

    I'm a bit confused.

    Apple would not allow such browser extentions to "call home" with my private data, or?

    But if not, why do they mention this even?

    In case such an extention can call home, nobody should (and probably would) install them.
    I hope.

    It's an extension. It can do many things. It could hold the data for a long time and then add the data to a POST when you go to a specific website.

    The warning is standard stuff for iOS -- similar to when you grant an app access to your microphone.

    Note that it doesn't say it can access all of the files on your iOS device, just like one of my AU's can't access all of your files on your iOS device because my AU is sandboxed. On the other hand, a VST (or non-sandboxed AUv3) on macOS or Windows or Linux can access all of your files and phone home with them. It's a tradeoff you choose to make. Personally, I'd love an iPad with all this turned off. Most people wouldn't though.

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @tja said:
    I could reproduce with a newly installed browser extention/

    I'm a bit confused.

    Apple would not allow such browser extentions to "call home" with my private data, or?

    But if not, why do they mention this even?

    In case such an extention can call home, nobody should (and probably would) install them.
    I hope.

    It's an extension. It can do many things. It could hold the data for a long time and then add the data to a POST when you go to a specific website.

    The warning is standard stuff for iOS -- similar to when you grant an app access to your microphone.

    Note that it doesn't say it can access all of the files on your iOS device, just like one of my AU's can't access all of your files on your iOS device because my AU is sandboxed. On the other hand, a VST (or non-sandboxed AUv3) on macOS or Windows or Linux can access all of your files and phone home with them. It's a tradeoff you choose to make. Personally, I'd love an iPad with all this turned off. Most people wouldn't though.

    Thanks.
    That's nothing I like to hear.
    I thought, that such an extention cannot access anything outside the browser, like AU units in a host can only access things within the host.

    I'm going to delete all installed extentions and refunding the one that I payed for (Noir).
    A bad architecture, it seems. Such an extentions should not be able to post anything or to change any posted data.

    Do you run extensions on Windows browsers? Do you have any non-Microsoft applications running on your Windows machines? What about on Linux?

    The extensions can access what the warning says. It has access to the data that goes through it. How could it work otherwise. All of the sandboxing in iOS still applies to it.

    Oh, I can't access anything inside the AU host. The sandboxing handles all of this.

  • All 'password managers' are also have 'browser extensions' so better delete them as well while your at it...

  • Oh and file-provider extensions too...

  • Thankfully I'm not the paranoid type, I would not be breathing anymore...

  • @Samu said:
    Thankfully I'm not the paranoid type, I would not be breathing anymore...

    I am the paranoid type. I really like the new extension system. Now if only Apple would drop a little bit more control I could put uBlock Origin back on Safari on both the Mac and iOS and I'd be even happier and feel safer.

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  • @tja said:
    I already noticed, that my stances to lots of topics, esp. around security, are not welcome here.
    At least for the more verbose replyers.
    Anyway...

    If I trust KeePass or Privacy Badger is a totally different topic to trusting some strange developer of a browser extention.
    In this case, I am much more thoughtful and think before enabling and allowing things!
    And you are well advices to do the same.

    If I were be a company, country, government or any other group with some interest, it would be the best idea to offer some nice Brower plugin - and get any and all data freely from all over the world.
    Best deal ever.

    I did not expect Apple to allow such things and that those browser extentions would be sandboxed massively.
    This does not seem to be the case.
    Horrible.

    The whole point of the warning is to inform you that you need to pay attention to what you are enabling. If extensions were completely blocked (as they used to be) then you couldn't choose to use the software that you do trust to enable your security. The browser extensions on iOS are sandboxed heavily. But they have to have access to the data that you want them to interact with or they basically couldn't do what you want them to do.

    What you seem to be asking for is the same as asking a reverb AUv3 to add reverb to your audio signal without being able to see the audio data. That obviously couldn't work just as much as a password manager couldn't work without being able to see the form data or a VPN extension couldn't work without seeing the data steam.

  • edited September 2021

    I’m going to post this link with a caveat. This is a very advanced user taking full advantage of the new iOS 15 features, so what he demonstrates won’t be useful for all people here, but for a certain number of heavy iPadOS users his demonstration of its capabilities will be invaluable.

  • @tja said:
    iPadOS 14.8:

    iPadOS 15:

    I really hate it.

    At best, they would offer an option to stay at the older layout with 5 columns.

    It looks like you can now add an extra horizontal row of icons though (confirmed by the other screenshot from @TonalityApp below), so you can fit more icons on each page. I think that's pretty useful.

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    What you seem to be asking for is the same as asking a reverb AUv3 to add reverb to your audio signal without being able to see the audio data. That obviously couldn't work just as much as a password manager couldn't work without being able to see the form data or a VPN extension couldn't work without seeing the data steam.

    No.
    What I expected Apple to do, is to disable such Plugins to access the filesystem, other processes and esp. to send anything out.

    Handling tabs and color or darkmode of the browser does not need the abilities mentioned above.
    This system is very very vulnerable and any developer who wants to do something is free to do so.
    This should not even be possible and trusting the devopler should not be required.
    Not a system that I would use on my devices.

    Have fun using it, until some breaking news about the "Mobile Safari browser extention leaks"... with some attached scandal or so.

    If you completely disabled filesystem access the typical user would still sit with Safari open all the time and the extension could just hold it in RAM until you went to the website that the data could be sent too. It wouldn't stop all possible sources of data escaping. The extension system does exactly what it should do and the sandboxing does what it is supposed to do. Also, this is the same as it runs on macOS. I haven't heard any mass of complaints there other than it being too restrictive.

    So, have you deleted all the applications on your Windows system yet?

  • Has anyone with the audio engine crashing bug updated to 15 yet? If so has it fixed the problem?

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    What you seem to be asking for is the same as asking a reverb AUv3 to add reverb to your audio signal without being able to see the audio data. That obviously couldn't work just as much as a password manager couldn't work without being able to see the form data or a VPN extension couldn't work without seeing the data steam.

    No.
    What I expected Apple to do, is to disable such Plugins to access the filesystem, other processes and esp. to send anything out.

    Handling tabs and color or darkmode of the browser does not need the abilities mentioned above.
    This system is very very vulnerable and any developer who wants to do something is free to do so.
    This should not even be possible and trusting the devopler should not be required.
    Not a system that I would use on my devices.

    Have fun using it, until some breaking news about the "Mobile Safari browser extention leaks"... with some attached scandal or so.

    If you completely disabled filesystem access the typical user would still sit with Safari open all the time and the extension could just hold it in RAM until you went to the website that the data could be sent too. It wouldn't stop all possible sources of data escaping. The extension system does exactly what it should do and the sandboxing does what it is supposed to do. Also, this is the same as it runs on macOS. I haven't heard any mass of complaints there other than it being too restrictive.

    So, have you deleted all the applications on your Windows system yet?

    You still don't want to understand.
    I am aware that I implicitly need to somewhat trust any application that I install!

    But I install mostly Apps that I at least somewhat trust and only for things that I really need.

    I would never ever install a regular App on any operating system that claims to get Safari into dark mode!
    That's too small a feature to risk installing an App!

    But I would install such a browser plugin - if browser plugins were sandboxed as I wrote.
    When they can access the filesystem, other procesees or change data to be posted or even post by themselves, they are not usable in my book - at all and ever.
    I just don't need that.

    For me, they would need to be implemented like the AUs in an AU host.
    Much more sandboxed.

    They are sandboxed. They are extensions. They have to access the data on the webpage you point them at. They don't have IPC access to any other process. Everything on iOS is sandboxed heavily. The permissions you grant them are very fine grained. It's the same sort of thing as granting mic access to audio applications. The system is just telling you that the application is asking for access.

    I wouldn't grant any sort of access to any safari extension that I didn't need and have pretty good reason to trust.

    The important point is that web extensions have to access the data you want them to manipulate. This leads to unavoidable security holes. IOS informed you of this issue. The access that iOS has to grant extensions is unavoidable if it is going to enable extensions that people want. So, ti warned you and enable you to tell an extension that you don't trust that you won't allow it.

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