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I had the same thought. If you provide time markers in seconds I can do some editing for a new version. That really the intent of a sketch… stumble on something worth building on.
I could also provide MIDI and/or Audio stems if that seems like something you could play with.
Those samples are exceptional. Such good recordings and beautifully captured vibratos which means it’s probably a lot of notes and not pitch adjusted too much. But I think Joseph earned the right to treat it as his IP. I hope he sells a lot of albums. I bought one.
This is what I’m hearing…
We can work out the details later.
I put the audio file in the folder.
@LinearLineman said:
It’s a scale… minor with a major 7th that does it (that’s the essential detail of the harmonic minor scale).
It’s a good thing we have that. 12 tones isn’t much to work with.
Yep. It’s common to use a phrygian dominant scale in traditional Jewish music. My piano teacher (and my wife, although she knows no music theory at all) are Jewish, and I had a brief conversation about the ‘Jewish scale’ at one time.
Yes. I was reading about this scale… I love the idea that many musical cultures exist in perfect harmony on the piano keyboard.
The accidentals do seem to think highly of themselves and look down on the naturals.
My piano teacher is of the opinion that the use of the scale in other cultures is due to the Jewish diaspora, but I think it’s more likely that its use elsewhere was from an independent origination of the scale. It’s definitely very widespread.
So I bought StaffPad and have spent quite a bit of time trying to perfect writing notes and symbols, but it’s harder than I expected it to be.
@McD - any tip or tricks you could share with me that will help me get up to speed? Seems like almost anything is prone to error for me, although I am getting used to what causes them for the most part.
I continue to seek tricks to make handwriting less problematic. My current strategy is to do each step until it’s successful.
When I get a bar done I often use the lasso to create a group capture and paste that hard won piece of note entry into another bar… adjusting the notes in the second bar is easier than re-writing all the steps to this point. Cut and paste is your most productive tool to select and copy whole sections of music that can be used to save notation entry.
I hope this proves useful to help you make more rapid progress.
Careful practice drawing notes and rests probably leads to mastery over time but I always tend to seek short cuts that produce results faster with little actual practice which, for me, is another name for work.
But I will admit that I use cut and paste so much that it shows up as unintended structure in the work as a whole.
I use whole bars and transpose the repetition up or down some fixed interval a lot. This is pretty typical to repeat a theme up a 4th or 5th and I try to use a lot of 3rds (major and minor) which tends to make their results less 18th century and more like fantasy film music which uses chromatic mediants (chord progressions up or down in major/minor 3rds). It’s a profound emotional effect on the listener because it’s like riding in an elevator in 3 dimensions rather than moving just horizontally over some scale.
Let me know if this has any value to you and don’t feel obliged to spare my feelings. I’m curious if these tips work for your benefit.
Don’t forget you can also import MIDI so if you’re in the habit of creating music in a piano roll you can export those notes as MIDI and import that work into a new StaffPad score. Once imported you can “copy” the notation and paste it into another score you may have already started. Multiple imports will require cut and paste to assemble all the imports into a single score.
Great to have another Staffpad user @michael_m. @McD's tips should help you get better results with handwriting. Can't wait to here what this thing will sound in your hands !
It’s actually pretty hard to make it sound bad… trust me. I’ve tried. But it doesn’t do all styles like jazz big band or folk ensembles that have articulations that aren’t in the sound libraries. But for film music with a conductor in front of musicians it’s so accurate.
Thank you! Copy/paste will certainly save time if I think about where a measure will have the same rhythmic structure as a previous one.
I’m sure that practice is going to be the biggest part of improvement, but it doesn’t help when I don’t understand what is preventing something I have drawn from being interpreted correctly. One thing that was irritating yesterday was that I could add a sharp accidental on one measure then no matter how many times I tried on the following measure I couldn’t get the symbol recognized - down to practice again I guess.
One thing that seems to be easy to add accidentally is marks above notes (and for some reason staccatissimo happens most often). Probably practice again, but not sure why that one comes up so often, and not really one I would use much, if at all.
Accidentals can be a real pain to write down sometimes. Is it the first note of the bar or do you have notes already written in front ? I notice that moving the note you want to alter away from previous symbols (bar or other notes) and give extra space helps recognitions.
Are trying to alter a note in a key where it is naturally altered ? For exemple trying to add a sharp to a F in the key of Gmajor. I couldn't get this to work and use double sharp or flat that I put on contiguous notes (I probably missed something in terms harmony notation...)
Another thing, and it is probably gonna sound very obvious if you're well versed in music theory (it was not my case at the beginning), make sure you're writing in the proper key. If your accidental is just for adding tension in a melody then no need to change your key on the staff. On the other hand, if the accidental your trying to write is due to any kind of modulation (parallel modulation in the case of chord borrowing in a chord progression, or pure key modulation) your best bet might be a key change on your staff. It seems Staffpad doesn't enharmonic writing outside C Major / Aminor
Thanks @JanKun , moving notes for additional space does seem like a good approach to accidentals, so I’ll try that.
Where I have already tried it I haven’t been modulating to another key or trying to fix notes because the key signature is wrong, it’s been melody notes that fall outside of the key here and there (I have been working in C Major to keep things simple while I practice).
My knowledge of music theory and orchestration is pretty solid, so I’m sure I’m not trying to force StaffPad into errors - I really think that the majority of issues I have encountered just need more practice on my part.
So don't give up, once you find your way with it and incorporate it in your own workflow, it becomes an invaluable tool !
Did you purchase any third party libraries yet ?
No third-part libraries yet, I am just writing piano pieces until it becomes easier to orchestrate some bigger. I’ll probably check them out at some point though.
A MIDI piano improv imported and rendered into Piano and Strings in StaffPad… no pencil required:
This is really good. Even on these cheap PC speakers. I will listen in headphones tonight.
I like this very much. Keywords to describe it: stately, regal, majestic, etc. You have a natural talent for emotional music. I liked the change at 1:06. Gave me a warm feeling. Several other places, too. There were a few little hiccups now and then, but it’s an improvisation and to be expected. This deserves to be taken to the next level. Identify specific movements and arrange them as though you have been commissioned to deliver a complete score for an orchestra. I would love to hear that. As Rob Schneider said - You can do it!
If you have other plans, I understand. If so, please put it in the folder for Sketchbook 3. I would like both audio and MIDI. Separate files for piano and strings if possible.
I am going to start digging into StaffPad as soon as the weather permits me to sit out on my patio. I will be asking you and @JanKun for tips and tricks.
And so it goes…
OK… I put all the stems and original MIDI into a Folder called “The Great House”.
Very beautiful track @McD ! Can't wait to hear what kind of magic @Paulieworld is going to add!
Thanks. I appreciate you checking in on this thread,
I should check more often. My personal way of browsing is clearly at fault here. I mostly use RSS feed reader which keeps me up to date with new thread on the forum but not about the update of old ones. So many good things fall under me radar very often. If only I could everything and everywhere all at once...
I agree with Paul’s description. TBH I could have lived without the strings and just listened to the piano 👌
I will put a piano version on SoundCloud.
Thanks @McD , lovely…
I couldn’t get it to work with your link but this worked…
The orchestra strikes back… I played an Alto Flute part into the score and cloned it to Clarinet, Violin, Violas over the existing cello section cloned from the original piano solo part.
What about keeping the strings but not so unison with the piano, not sure how Staffpad works but have them on separate tracks, prune out most of the notes and extend some sustained string chords out over the piano part here and there. ? 🤓