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I feel you man.
Maybe there could fun incentives for those who tip, like presets named after them or exclusive access to beta testing of new versions or products.
Let me just say, I personally appreciate the people who do subscribe to apps. You are a very generous group and this warrants all the discussion because this is a crossroads of sorts.
I wish my landlord would think the same, when I subscribe to his accommodation, now that’s what I subscribe to. Otherwise no roof, no apps, no IAP, no subs.
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it's a good analogy. I wonder if people who think software should be subscription-only always rent and never buy their properties?
Yeah, most financial advisors would advise against renting, no equity. When you stop payment you leave with nothing.
I have an electric guitar.
I bought it.
It works.
Occasionally needs maintenance
and I don’t need to pay rent for it.
There are hire companies for those purposes.
It’s how I view apps.
I much prefer all out purchases
and the choice to buy an upgrade
or stay with the one that works.
ToneStack to ToneStack Pro
is a good example of this.
I bought the IAA version and
if it were not for the auv3 aspect
I would’ve stayed with the IAA
version until the code is deprecated.
I’m not paying rent for tools that
should work straight out of the box.
Though I do collect apps,
the apps I have are for creating,
they are not for display purposes.
The inherent problem with the "I have 200 apps, so imagine 3 usd/month x 200 - who can afford that" kind of arguments is that you assume you would still have 200 apps in a different scenario. But the thing is, you wouldn't.
The only reason you do now is that you bought them for an average grand total of 5 usd per app, and they have been available to you with no further charges ever since. You simply can't achieve that exact same scenario in a subscription world. 🤷
Imagine making $1000 on your first day of work. Then being expected to work for the rest of your life for nothing…
Ahhhh....this lovely thread yet again.
Lets count the people that changed their minds since the last 7 of these threads....
Maybe we’re providing some helpful info for devs. Or further confusing the issue. 😆
Yes and you have the choice to buy or rent property and you choose to do which you can afford. If you can afford to buy you would.
But the point I'm making is it's fine to have subscription models if there is a choice to buy as well.
Forcing people to subscribe only won't work
Or should the property market also be subscription only?
I'd pay 4.99/month for access to this site because i get a benefit from it, like I would any other software.
But for 4.99/month, I'd expect a feature to be able to delete any thread about subscriptions
Which one did you contribute something helpful to?
I think comparing iOS to desktop subs is not really fair…
Desktop apps are way more mature, bringing industry standards, and even in that environment subs are actually rare.
iOS is changing, it is catching up but you can’t rely on much if anything… apple can change course/policy, devs life gets in the way of development etc… the whole environment was built around completely different idea… consumption vs producing. We are discussing this for quite some time to address app sustainability, but this won’t solve the issues that needs to be addressed first… these subs are just another way of consumption, which wouldn’t work (imo) in this segment nor would they provide sustainability.
Michaels recent offer seems to be addressing few things (demo, sustainability, access). It is fair and all… but you’re still paying for some kind of promise vs delivery. I do trust him that he wants to deliver, but there are just too many ways it all could go down… things out of his hand.
So even though it the fairest offer to date, I will still wait and see how it works out…
Based on past experiences - ns2 no longer waiting, bm3 after one year core features stripped leaving an app that no longer has value to me - I will only consider existing feature, not future goals.
That’s why I said 30 of those 100 apps that I use regularly. And not the full 100.
The problem is, smaller app developers would probably be eaten alive by Korg, Moog etc.
Another subscription type we haven’t totally discussed is installments. I’m currently on an 4 payment installment plan to pay for Arturia V Collection. What if developers charged more, but we could buy the apps in installments in App Store?
Lmaooooooo
This one when im done counting.
I'm about 1/2 ways done and I'm at 0
Many of us probably wouldn't have 30 apps, either. Definitely not me at 3/app/month
Yes.
Yeah! Hardware would sound way better.
plus, hardware has a resale value
Very true! I just started my hardware journey with the MPC One, MicroFreak and Strymon NightSky…
In a manner of thinking, hardware synths that you buy then use then sell again are effectively rented
The difference with returning a rental and selling your item is significant: renting has no equity when you stop, selling does.
Expectations will rise with subscriptions!
It’s easy for Spotify to collect subscriptions because they got new content all the time, are always improving the experience and adding value.
I feel like subscriptions are where good apps go to die. 😩
Yeah but you know what I mean – “I bought a Bleeb Frizzulator KY for £1000, used it for six months, sold it for £800” is kind of equiv to renting it for six months at £200, if one is the kind of person who keeps that sort of action moving for their entire involvement in the field. I suppose there’s people who habitually sell on their iPhones and iPads to buy the next new model on release, and they probably frame this as equivalent to renting each unit for a while, in their minds.
So many “subscriptions” already between bills, streaming tv, music streaming, etc… I try to avoid adding any more in general, for anything. Once you buy something it’s over, 1 time and you own it, I really don’t like adding any more things I have to worry about financially, on a regular basis. Just my two cents.
Great discussion Mike! I completely agree with your thinking on this. Korg is a nice way of keeping it fresh with their voluntary add-ons. I just can't do any subs being on disability fixed income makes it a no go from the get go. If you pay monthly you should get something new to play with every single month and then get to keep everything regardless. I really don't like that if you subscribe to an app and then decided to end the sub then you lose your work and the app as well as that seems so very unfair. I do feel very much for the DEVS I really do~my hats go off them for their investment in their time and for their hard creative and original work. Just my 2 cents. Cheers , ED