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Help me thin out my "virtual analog" Synths

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  • edited December 2021

    @tja

    From your collection, i would stay with these:

    Zeeon
    great sounding filters and FM modulation .. really great versatily synth with wide spectrum of sounds, solid allrounder. You can easily made whole track with just Zeeon.

    Model D
    classic moog basses and leads, until you don't tweak reso to high it's 99% of sound of real HW

    Volt
    beautiful satin sound, sounds very analogish, remids me character of Arp Oddysei somehow

    iSEM
    very underappreciated synth, in my opinion best SW synth arturia ever made, i had original Oberheim SEM analog module and this thing sounds FUCKING close to real thing

    Sunrizer
    common, it's JP8080 clone, even without feedback oscillator and cross modulation it still sounds awesome. Instant classics

    There is literally no musical genre and/or sound you can't cover with those five in top class HW-level quality of sound.

    Don't trying to say rest is bad - there are is lot of interesting items in your collection - but i simply didn't build emotional bond ti any of them (i have all of them, tried all of them). 5 above mentioned are for me VERY special.

  • @tja said:

    15 euro plus 16 euro IAP = 31 euro do not directly trigger my "buy" finger, but I am sure that I will get it ... maybe at a sale?!?
    Thanks!

    Yeah, wait for a sale...
    I don't have any IAPs for it as I prefer to tweak my own sounds anyway.
    (I got it for $4.99 or so when it was initially released).

    I always liked P202, but that you would prefer it over the others, is unexpected :-O.
    Moved it up the list!

    The reason I like it so much is that it's very CPU efficient...
    ...I can use 20+ instances on the iPad Air 2 without it breaking a sweat!

    What about TB Flowtones, DRC and Volt?

    Depends, I feel DRC feels most 'Analogue' of those three.
    (Check the Imaginando YouTube channel where Lucas creates sounds with it).

    Note to self, I should use DRC more (I have to now that I'm doing beta on it again LOL).

    And iSEM and OB-Xd are in their own category, I think.

    They are both classic VA's. I have a soft spot for the OB-Xd (again it's very CPU efficient).

    Both Model D and TAL-UN-O-LX are 'unique' in their own way and none of the others sound like them.
    (I can easily pass iSEM, Continua, Magellan 2 and VOLT if I needed to 'clean up').

    Again it all depends on what you actually need :sunglasses:

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  • @tja: odyssei is indeed a virtual analog synth. It is an emulation of the Arp Odyssey which was a contemporary of the MiniMoog.

    IMO, OdysseI is the best-sounding VA synth on iOS (there are many other excellent ones). It has a unique way of doing FM that can get some really great unique sounds. Its oscillators and filter have a great character. For certain kinds of bass sounds, it is (for me) peerless.

    Zeeon is also great -- and also capable of some cool FM stuff as you can use the audio oscillators as modulators -- though it isn't necessarily super obvious how to do that.

    Both of them reward an investment in time learning to craft sounds with them as the presets may or may not be inspiring depending on one's tastes.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    Unless you are short on storage space, I would just keep them all.

    We have a winner!

    And you don't HAVE to learn them all. Just use presets on most and learn a few if you want to.

    Why delete them - after all, you paid for them.

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  • Maybe remove the IAA Korg synths if you already have Gadget 2. I found using Gadget 2 as an IAA synth is more effective than keeping all the other Korg synths. (except for Module)

  • @tja said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @tja: odyssei is indeed a virtual analog synth. It is an emulation of the Arp Odyssey which was a contemporary of the MiniMoog.

    I moved it into the "IAA Subtractive" folder, together with iProphet and iSyn Poly.

    IMO, OdysseI is the best-sounding VA synth on iOS (there are many other excellent ones). It has a unique way of doing FM that can get some really great unique sounds. Its oscillators and filter have a great character. For certain kinds of bass sounds, it is (for me) peerless.

    Zeeon is also great -- and also capable of some cool FM stuff as you can use the audio oscillators as modulators -- though it isn't necessarily super obvious how to do that.

    Uhh. FM?
    You mean FM like in "Frequency Modulation"?

    I did not see any apparent Fm stuff in both of them.
    Also not, when checking the App Store pages.

    In this case, I would move them to my "AU FM" and "IAA FM" folders, instead.

    Do a web search for ARP Odyssey FM. Yes, as in frequency modulation. Some analog synths let you use an oscillator to modulate another oscillator’s pitch. That is FM. When the modulating oscillator is set to audio rates, the result is interesting sidebands.

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  • edited December 2021

    @tja said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Maybe remove the IAA Korg synths if you already have Gadget 2. I found using Gadget 2 as an IAA synth is more effective than keeping all the other Korg synths. (except for Module)

    I'm not sure, which of my KORK Synths have their counterpart in Gadget 2.

    I have those:

    ODYSSEi
    iM1 (which I heared good stuff about, as with ODYSSEi)

    and also

    iMono/Poly (which may be redundant)
    iWAVESTATION
    Electribe Wave
    iMS-20

    Not sure about those ...

    They all do.

    Something I've started to do is go through all the presets in the apps I have, and favorite sounds I may use eventually. I also rename them, similar to how Synthmaster one does it by adding short prefixes so I can easily find a sound.

    BS - BASS
    PLK - PLUCK
    ARP - ARPEGGIATOR
    SEQ - SEQUENCER
    BEL - BELL

    These are few examples that come to mind. I can tweak sounds I like to make new presets which I'll add a special character to.

    BST - Bass Tweaked.

    Sometimes I get inspired and make a new preset.

    BSN - Bass New Preset.

    That way, when making songs, I'm not thinking about sound design. I already have a rough idea on which sounds/synths I have that can give that feel.

    Edit: Great selection. Saw the reduced list. 👍

  • Model D can also do FM by using Oscillator 3 as the modulation source.
    Same with deal with Poison-202 and Bleass Alpha with dedicated XMod controls.

    Sync, FM/XMod and RingMod are also on the Mela 2 roadmap as far as I know.
    (Mela's got 4 oscillators so expect to see some kind of operator routings at some point in time).

    FRMS does Granular synthesis, VA and 4OP-FM.
    Synthmaster 2 does almost everything as well apart from granular synthesis.

    So yeah, instead of categorizing synths it's better to figure out what is needed.

    I could mostly likely get by by just using Drambo or SunVox and build as I go...

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  • Basic FM synthesis is 2 operators, one oscillator modulating the frequency/phase of the other.

    Good read before sleep :sunglasses:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation_synthesis

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  • @tja said:

    Reduction is simply required for me to see any light at the end of the tunnel :# B) :D

    That is one of the reasons why I do the 'App Cleanup'.
    Total number of apps installed is 280, that includes 'everything' :sunglasses:

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  • @espiegel123 said:

    IMO, OdysseI is the best-sounding VA synth on iOS (there are many other excellent ones). It has a unique way of doing FM that can get some really great unique sounds. Its oscillators and filter have a great character. For certain kinds of bass sounds, it is (for me) peerless.

    Zeeon is also great -- and also capable of some cool FM stuff as you can use the audio oscillators as modulators -- though it isn't necessarily super obvious how to do that.

    Both of them reward an investment in time learning to craft sounds with them as the presets may or may not be inspiring depending on one's tastes.

    Agree fully with everything stated above.

  • I couldn't fit all the apps I've purchased over the 10+ years even if I had a 2TB iPad :sunglasses:

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  • @tja said:

    @Samu said:
    I couldn't fit all the apps I've purchased over the 10+ years even if I had a 2TB iPad :sunglasses:

    Dito :D

    I try to get the number down ... in all types of Apps.

    But the Air 3 is my main driver, as I constantly carry it around.
    The Pro 12.9 has not seen much less reduction, but I don't care are much.

    Maybe at some time reinstall the Pro from an Air 3 backup or so ...

    I'm quite 'harsh' when I do the cleanups...
    ...launch the app, check what it does and if it still 'clicks' with me (ie. I find it 'fun' to use) or if it's 'one of a kind'.
    Even 'one of a kind' get deleted if it's not fun to use...

    Once I've narrowed down the apps that 'click' with me I check for connectivity and export features.
    As an example I still have the classic iElectribe installed because it's fun to use and has good export capabilities.

    Now days I don't have to 'guess' what the apps on my iPad do, I 'know' what they do, every single one of them :sunglasses:

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  • Re OdysseI. It certainly would be categorized as a subtractive synth in spite of being able to do FM (as is true of many subtractive synth). While MiniMoog and Model D and others can also do FM, my point is that for whatever reason, it has a special quality and character that I find special AND an awful lot of Odyssey lovers don’t even realize it’s there.

  • edited December 2021

    Just because a synth can frequency modulate one osc with another doesn’t make it an ‘fm synth’. An FM synth would be expected to be configured such that it has at least an operator or hopefully more than one, then it gets let into the ‘fm synth’ club.

    Because then you have a chance at changing the amount of fm over the duration of a note by virtue of the patch – and therefore some sort of harmonic evolution across a note duration thanks to the way the operator is set to modulate the carrier osc.

    Otherwise it’s just sparkling VCO to VCO fm-ing (or if you’re lucky, VCO to VCF fm-ing), which is pretty much a constant value nice though it is.

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