Something new from Bleass?

Stuntman_mike

@NoiseFloored said:

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

I used them, but I definitely dislike the behavior of their sliders (absolute instead of relative) and how much of the interface the keyboard uses in Alpha. I have a bit of trouble with Rymdigare as well (the knobs seem to have some momentum, and I'd prefer tabbed sections instead of sliding between them), but I really like the UI, even that big spaceship. I definitely seems like there's a lot of personal preference involved.

This is a great discussion! UI design is an ever evolving, preferential field of study. Almost the classic Android (Open Source) vs. Apple debate (Closed Platform). I can respect the 4Pocket design lovers. I personally cringe at the look, but if one of the 4Pockets apps provided a feature that I “had to have”, I would buy it. I prefer flat, minimal, modern design by default but great function is more than looks.

Simon

@sclurbs said:
that dude puts his name on anyone who will let him!"

He's the George Foreman of iOS music apps.

Stuntman_mike

@Simon said:

@sclurbs said:
that dude puts his name on anyone who will let him!"

He's the George Foreman of iOS music apps.

😆

ChancedMusic

@Stuntman_mike said:

@NoiseFloored said:

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

I used them, but I definitely dislike the behavior of their sliders (absolute instead of relative) and how much of the interface the keyboard uses in Alpha. I have a bit of trouble with Rymdigare as well (the knobs seem to have some momentum, and I'd prefer tabbed sections instead of sliding between them), but I really like the UI, even that big spaceship. I definitely seems like there's a lot of personal preference involved.

This is a great discussion! UI design is an ever evolving, preferential field of study. Almost the classic Android (Open Source) vs. Apple debate (Closed Platform). I can respect the 4Pocket design lovers. I personally cringe at the look, but if one of the 4Pockets apps provided a feature that I “had to have”, I would buy it. I prefer flat, minimal, modern design by default but great function is more than looks.

I feel this in my soul. I am not a fan of 4Pockets UI. But they’re so good at what they do, I can’t help but get their stuff.

attakk

@NoiseFloored said:

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

I have a bit of trouble with Rymdigare as well (the knobs seem to have some momentum, and I'd prefer tabbed sections instead of sliding between them), but I really like the UI, even that big spaceship. I definitely seems like there's a lot of personal preference involved.

Yeah, it is all so subjective: I personally really can’t stand Rymdigare’s UI (nor it’s sonic output for that matter - although I seem to be the only one).

That’s why discussions on “good” and “bad” UI’s are pretty much futile. If the UI has a bug (ie an element just doesn’t work correctly) then yeah fair enough, let’s talk about it.

gregsmith

@attakk said:

@NoiseFloored said:

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

I have a bit of trouble with Rymdigare as well (the knobs seem to have some momentum, and I'd prefer tabbed sections instead of sliding between them), but I really like the UI, even that big spaceship. I definitely seems like there's a lot of personal preference involved.

Yeah, it is all so subjective: I personally really can’t stand Rymdigare’s UI (nor it’s sonic output for that matter - although I seem to be the only one).

That’s why discussions on “good” and “bad” UI’s are pretty much futile. If the UI has a bug (ie an element just doesn’t work correctly) then yeah fair enough, let’s talk about it.

Yeah ‘look and feel’ discussions are fairly moot, unless they stray into ‘no contrast so impossible to see anything’ discussions. As long as it doesn’t affect usability, then it’s really personal preference.

It’s like 4Pockets apps - lots don’t like the general aesthetic - I don’t mind it too much, but I do find there’s usually some features that aren’t intuitively built into the interface which is much more relevant.

ChancedMusic

@gregsmith said:

@attakk said:

@NoiseFloored said:

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

I have a bit of trouble with Rymdigare as well (the knobs seem to have some momentum, and I'd prefer tabbed sections instead of sliding between them), but I really like the UI, even that big spaceship. I definitely seems like there's a lot of personal preference involved.

Yeah, it is all so subjective: I personally really can’t stand Rymdigare’s UI (nor it’s sonic output for that matter - although I seem to be the only one).

That’s why discussions on “good” and “bad” UI’s are pretty much futile. If the UI has a bug (ie an element just doesn’t work correctly) then yeah fair enough, let’s talk about it.

Yeah ‘look and feel’ discussions are fairly moot, unless they stray into ‘no contrast so impossible to see anything’ discussions. As long as it doesn’t affect usability, then it’s really personal preference.

It’s like 4Pockets apps - lots don’t like the general aesthetic - I don’t mind it too much, but I do find there’s usually some features that aren’t intuitively built into the interface which is much more relevant.

No contrast like that one synth that was all purple and blue 😂

gregsmith

@DukeWonder said:

@gregsmith said:

@attakk said:

@NoiseFloored said:

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

I have a bit of trouble with Rymdigare as well (the knobs seem to have some momentum, and I'd prefer tabbed sections instead of sliding between them), but I really like the UI, even that big spaceship. I definitely seems like there's a lot of personal preference involved.

Yeah, it is all so subjective: I personally really can’t stand Rymdigare’s UI (nor it’s sonic output for that matter - although I seem to be the only one).

That’s why discussions on “good” and “bad” UI’s are pretty much futile. If the UI has a bug (ie an element just doesn’t work correctly) then yeah fair enough, let’s talk about it.

Yeah ‘look and feel’ discussions are fairly moot, unless they stray into ‘no contrast so impossible to see anything’ discussions. As long as it doesn’t affect usability, then it’s really personal preference.

It’s like 4Pockets apps - lots don’t like the general aesthetic - I don’t mind it too much, but I do find there’s usually some features that aren’t intuitively built into the interface which is much more relevant.

No contrast like that one synth that was all purple and blue 😂

Exactly! 😂

ervin

@Simon said:

@sclurbs said:
that dude puts his name on anyone who will let him!"

He's the George Foreman of iOS music apps.

🎖️

ervin

I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

oat_phipps

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

+6x-4(y-3x)

sclurbs

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

Shout-out to Igor. I got a better chance of making sense out of flying an alien spacecraft than one of his apps. Love that stuff.

Gavinski

@Samu said:
Ok, so the name is clear at least BLEASS SampleWiz 2.

Sample playback seems to be Normal, Granular and Particle Cloud.
The handles have optional 'snap'.

Could not see any indication of layering...

Loop values are set with % which likely means it will NOT import sample-accurate loop-points when importing samples...
...if they are 'smart' here each loop % index is automatically set at zero-crossed to avoid clicks when modulating the loop point.

Reverb seems to include shimmer option...

I'm guessing in the $7.99-$9.99 range like most BLEASS apps unless it has 'Wiz Tax' all over it

Cheers!

Samu! That is the price of their FX apps. And you have to factor in that Jordan needs his cut. Dream on if you are expecting this kind of pricing 😂

Gavinski

@DukeWonder said:

@Fantomas86 said:
My favourite ones are SugarBytes stuff for example. I understand the why’s but not the how’s. Especially the colours and those sqares everywhere, they would look way sexier if they were rounded just a little bit around the corners imho. Klevgrand plugins are elegant too. I think, especially above a certain price range, the looks should matter as well not just the function.

@Fantomas86 said:
It sounds great but please, hire a GUI designer… I never touch Bleass stuff because I can’t stand the looks

Lol what? You don’t like it so obviously they don’t have someone designing it? Get over yourself bud.

There’s nothing wrong with their UI. There’s a clear delineation between the various functions and pages. The controls are smooth and well designed for touchscreens. They manage to fit a lot on the page without it being cluttered. Things aren’t buried within menus and long presses. They scale solidly between iPhone and iPad.

Also at their price range? The quality of their apps compared to their price is impressive to say the least.

Agreed. Bleass excel in both innovation and design imo

Gavinski

@Simon said:

@sclurbs said:
that dude puts his name on anyone who will let him!"

He's the George Foreman of iOS music apps.

You could have said Jimmy Saville there but I'm glad you didn't 😂

mulletsaison

@sclurbs said:
my thought process:
"Physical Modeling? Fuck yeah!
AI generative? Fuck yeah!
Jordan Rudess.... um... hopefully it's not just a bunch of shovelware, that dude puts his name on anyone who will let him!"

I'm cautiously optimistic

I don’t like seeing Jordan Rudess’s face ever. That said, Jordantron sounds so great that I gladly put up with it and if he helps devs make money at this, then more power to him. Sucks that Jordantron is IAA because that genuinely reduces its usefulness. With @bleassapp involved, I do have high hopes.

mulletsaison

@sclurbs said:

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

Shout-out to Igor. I got a better chance of making sense out of flying an alien spacecraft than one of his apps. Love that stuff.

Yeah… there was a comment about objectively good design… if I can figure out it out with RTFM then it’s good design, even if I don’t love it (i don’t care for Bleass’s style guide, but I know what I’m getting, they’re easy to figure out and I get them all because they sound good…) I’m totally cool with accepting insanity like Igor and Erik and Di Furia because their apps sound good. Even like K Devices; their UIs are either eye-rollingly pretentious or super cool but the sounds you can make them do are extraordinary… In old school guitar pedal days, I always felt the fewest knobs necessary and that you need to hear what each knob does. Most of the apps mentioned in this thread hit that basic threshold, and all of the Bleass apps do, in my opinion.

mulletsaison

@Gavinski said:

@Samu said:
Ok, so the name is clear at least BLEASS SampleWiz 2.

Sample playback seems to be Normal, Granular and Particle Cloud.
The handles have optional 'snap'.

Could not see any indication of layering...

Loop values are set with % which likely means it will NOT import sample-accurate loop-points when importing samples...
...if they are 'smart' here each loop % index is automatically set at zero-crossed to avoid clicks when modulating the loop point.

Reverb seems to include shimmer option...

I'm guessing in the $7.99-$9.99 range like most BLEASS apps unless it has 'Wiz Tax' all over it

Cheers!

Samu! That is the price of their FX apps. And you have to factor in that Jordan needs his cut. Dream on if you are expecting this kind of pricing 😂

Sounds ominous from an iOS price point perspective. Glad that it’ll still be 75%-1000% cheaper than a “real” OS equivalent.

Samu

@Gavinski said:

Samu! That is the price of their FX apps. And you have to factor in that Jordan needs his cut. Dream on if you are expecting this kind of pricing 😂

That is what I mean with the 'Wiz Tax'
Alpha is ok, but if it reaches double that I'll honestly stick to Drambo...

tahiche

@mulletsaison said:

@sclurbs said:

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

Shout-out to Igor. I got a better chance of making sense out of flying an alien spacecraft than one of his apps. Love that stuff.

Yeah… there was a comment about objectively good design… if I can figure out it out with RTFM then it’s good design, even if I don’t love it (i don’t care for Bleass’s style guide, but I know what I’m getting, they’re easy to figure out and I get them all because they sound good…) I’m totally cool with accepting insanity like Igor and Erik and Di Furia because their apps sound good. Even like K Devices; their UIs are either eye-rollingly pretentious or super cool but the sounds you can make them do are extraordinary… In old school guitar pedal days, I always felt the fewest knobs necessary and that you need to hear what each knob does. Most of the apps mentioned in this thread hit that basic threshold, and all of the Bleass apps do, in my opinion.

There definitely is such a thing as “good UI”, it’s not all a matter of taste. Not to be confused with finding an app beautiful or pleasing. BLEASS apps are clean, unobtrusive and well laid out. Not specially beautiful or captivating, they’re functional. Sections are clear, touch operation is great.
What are bad UI decisions?. Here you go.

There’s a long press action on the “Remote” button to open un the settings, but no indication. Either you remember, or you don’t… Aren’t we all used to the cross in the top right corner to close windows?. Who’d prefer a “Close” button that you have to look for?.

gregsmith

@tahiche said:

@mulletsaison said:

@sclurbs said:

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

Shout-out to Igor. I got a better chance of making sense out of flying an alien spacecraft than one of his apps. Love that stuff.

Yeah… there was a comment about objectively good design… if I can figure out it out with RTFM then it’s good design, even if I don’t love it (i don’t care for Bleass’s style guide, but I know what I’m getting, they’re easy to figure out and I get them all because they sound good…) I’m totally cool with accepting insanity like Igor and Erik and Di Furia because their apps sound good. Even like K Devices; their UIs are either eye-rollingly pretentious or super cool but the sounds you can make them do are extraordinary… In old school guitar pedal days, I always felt the fewest knobs necessary and that you need to hear what each knob does. Most of the apps mentioned in this thread hit that basic threshold, and all of the Bleass apps do, in my opinion.

There definitely is such a thing as “good UI”, it’s not all a matter of taste. Not to be confused with finding an app beautiful or pleasing. BLEASS apps are clean, unobtrusive and well laid out. Not specially beautiful or captivating, they’re functional. Sections are clear, touch operation is great.
What are bad UI decisions?. Here you go.

There’s a long press action on the “Remote” button to open un the settings, but no indication. Either you remember, or you don’t… Aren’t we all used to the cross in the top right corner to close windows?. Who’d prefer a “Close” button that you have to look for?.

Yes this was a particular doozey from 4p!

Tbf, things are better in neon with long press indicators and the like.

eross

so is this thing getting released tomorrow?

Paulo164

@sclurbs said:
my thought process:
"Physical Modeling? Fuck yeah!
AI generative? Fuck yeah!
Jordan Rudess.... um... hopefully it's not just a bunch of shovelware, that dude puts his name on anyone who will let him!"

I'm cautiously optimistic

This turned me on also...
See you tomorrow !

sclurbs

@mulletsaison said:

@sclurbs said:

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

Shout-out to Igor. I got a better chance of making sense out of flying an alien spacecraft than one of his apps. Love that stuff.

Yeah… there was a comment about objectively good design… if I can figure out it out with RTFM then it’s good design, even if I don’t love it (i don’t care for Bleass’s style guide, but I know what I’m getting, they’re easy to figure out and I get them all because they sound good…) I’m totally cool with accepting insanity like Igor and Erik and Di Furia because their apps sound good. Even like K Devices; their UIs are either eye-rollingly pretentious or super cool but the sounds you can make them do are extraordinary… In old school guitar pedal days, I always felt the fewest knobs necessary and that you need to hear what each knob does. Most of the apps mentioned in this thread hit that basic threshold, and all of the Bleass apps do, in my opinion.

I really appreciate things that feel super 'adult' and out of my grasp and put me back in the shoes of a dumb kid. I always considered Final Fantasy 8 to be the most 'adult' of the final fantasy games because the systems were utterly unexplained and it was the most unforgiving to play if you didn't get it right. In the time before the internet when that game came out as a kid, it felt like you couldn't touch that game unless you were at least a million years old, like at least 20. Video games don't give me that sense of confused wonder anymore. Besides the odd indy game, they're so streamlined and standardized it just all makes sense instantly. Likewise, after almost 10 years of working with synthesizers, I can immediately understand the bones of just about any soft synth out there. Now I don't use Igor's apps often because it's like taking out the deck of many things and hoping a campaign doesn't get derailed. But I think there is great value in the feeling of being utterly lost and overwhelmed in a sound design session, and there's no one who delivers on that front on Ios like Igor, where normal standard midi numbers like pitch bend are turned into a modifided hexidecimal code with negative integers and more 0's than a YuGiOh card

Igor is the Final Fantasy 8 of the Ios music app development world.

oat_phipps

@sclurbs said:

@mulletsaison said:

@sclurbs said:

@ervin said:
I have actually grown to love the "punks" among the ios devs, who proudly keep coming out with the most impossible UIs.

Whenever I see anything from these heroes, like Erik Sigth, Igor, Di Furia etc, I always think they are the ultimate trolls: "try reading dark red letters on dark purple background", "guess what tapping that broken line of an icon might possibly do", "how about this 45x45 matrix with random-looking lines connecting some of the cells" - I often can't use their stuff, but they definitely add some crazy brilliance to the ios music platform and have a well-deserved cult following.

Shout-out to Igor. I got a better chance of making sense out of flying an alien spacecraft than one of his apps. Love that stuff.

Yeah… there was a comment about objectively good design… if I can figure out it out with RTFM then it’s good design, even if I don’t love it (i don’t care for Bleass’s style guide, but I know what I’m getting, they’re easy to figure out and I get them all because they sound good…) I’m totally cool with accepting insanity like Igor and Erik and Di Furia because their apps sound good. Even like K Devices; their UIs are either eye-rollingly pretentious or super cool but the sounds you can make them do are extraordinary… In old school guitar pedal days, I always felt the fewest knobs necessary and that you need to hear what each knob does. Most of the apps mentioned in this thread hit that basic threshold, and all of the Bleass apps do, in my opinion.

I really appreciate things that feel super 'adult' and out of my grasp and put me back in the shoes of a dumb kid. I always considered Final Fantasy 8 to be the most 'adult' of the final fantasy games because the systems were utterly unexplained and it was the most unforgiving to play if you didn't get it right. In the time before the internet when that game came out as a kid, it felt like you couldn't touch that game unless you were at least a million years old, like at least 20. Video games don't give me that sense of confused wonder anymore. Besides the odd indy game, they're so streamlined and standardized it just all makes sense instantly. Likewise, after almost 10 years of working with synthesizers, I can immediately understand the bones of just about any soft synth out there. Now I don't use Igor's apps often because it's like taking out the deck of many things and hoping a campaign doesn't get derailed. But I think there is great value in the feeling of being utterly lost and overwhelmed in a sound design session, and there's no one who delivers on that front on Ios like Igor, where normal standard midi numbers like pitch bend are turned into a modifided hexidecimal code with negative integers and more 0's than a YuGiOh card

Igor is the Final Fantasy 8 of the Ios music app development world.

More like the Michael Brough!

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cinco-paus/id1249999336

(And yes, it’s amazing and crazy deep if you put a little time into it and get past that initial learning curve)

Simon

It's out:

https://apps.apple.com/app/bleass-samplewiz-2/id1501504776