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Video..ToneStack from Yonac Pre Release Demo form Doug
You can so much more with this than you see in the video
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Looks awesome. Can you say how much it'll cost, fully decked out with all the IAPs?
Which part do I fill in?
@ChrisG said:
Sorry Chris I cant say, but I think the initial price will be a huge surprise for what you get, and I'm pretty sure that the full monty will cost you less than Cubasis, bear in mind the amount of stuff you get
Looking good, hope that midi side of things will follow Magellans' trend. Thanks
@thesoundtestroom said:
Thanks, well sounds great to me.
And hey, it's Yonac, they've always surprised me with the quality of all their previous software (contra price tag for that matter).
Thanks for the preview, Doug! I'm pretty sure I'll get this one with all IAPs as soon as it's out. Some things I'm still wondering now besides the pricing of the complete package:
1. What about bass? Didn't see anything bass specific mentioned.
2. How is the latency when using those cool pitch effects?
3. Can those cool pitch effects handle polyphonic input like my great EH POG does? If so I'm very excited. If not, I'd be a little disappointed.
So I hope to pull the trigger on this one very soon!
Hmm, I initially also had quite a bit of criticism in my post before I decided to delete that part of it completely. Yes, the guitar is badly out of tune and there is not much beauty or skill in the guitar playing. But what I miss mostly is some more detailed comments about aspects such as "this Whammy is better/quicker than the one in jamup". Details and comparisons like that would be important to me.
That said, he's doing a very enjoyable preview and not an in depth review, so that's okay.
And most of all he does this for free and with great enthusiasm that really is entertaining and also quite informative. So thanks a lot for that, @Doug! But yes, your guitar playing could use some practicing... :-)
Haha, I'm afraid to load this up now only to hear the guitar playing blowing the doors off what I can do. Haha. Thanks for the demo, though. Interested to see what this app can do differently, even in light of what I think were some pretty useful IAP's from Positive Grid last week.
Update: Okay watched it now. I think the interface is pretty cool (this is the first video I've seen of it). Someone above asked about bass guitar, and I have not heard anything about that. However, bass was largely ignored in the early days of JamUp and got some pretty good expansion packs later on, so there's hope.
There's a LOT of stuff in there - I guess that should be no surprise given the amount of available content for other Yonac apps. It's pretty tough in a video like that (even in 13 minutes) to get comfortable playing guitar when your settings and effects are constantly changing and you have to take one hand off the guitar every 15 seconds to change something. I was paying more attention to how it looked versus how it "sounded". The sound quality will be something to decide for myself, but also may very greatly from amp to amp.
Oh man now Doug's never going to do a guitar demo again!
OK so he prolly shoulda demo'd the tuner first... ;-p .but I still prefer to hear a guitar app demo'd with a guitar...even if it's just noodling along...Please continue to do so Doug!!!
Any indication yet as to when this might appear in the app store? Will there be an 'all-in' IAP bundle?
@mmp said:
No problem, I'm not offended by their comments, the guitar is a little out of tune sometimes, and I'm not a guitarist, I'm just showing you round the app, and I dont think they meant to offend me personally anyway, so all I'm going to do in future is out if tune guitar videos :-)
On a serious there is a complete bundle IAP which will save you a stack
Thank you Doug!!!
Although I was under the impression that the object of getting the complete bundle was to gain a stack (or two) ;-)
@Munibeast said:
It has a couple of bass amps and cabs
Thanks!
Thanks for the preview, As @StormJH1 says, I'll have to judge the sound quality for myself. What I'm seeing here that sets this apart from guitar amp & Fx modeling apps currently on the market seems to be:
Looks great. Keep on playin' your guitar, Doug. :-)
The reverb sounds great. Thanks Doug.
The A/B/Y alone makes me an interested party.
+10 for the visual comprehensive MIDI Learn feedback. I assume it will show what is already assigned so you don't forget? That goes a long way towards mitigating Yonac's promiscuous port (non)management.
I think a New Rule is in order: the only substantial criticisms of Doug's work should be in the form of a review video that does it better. Besides, the only really out of tune bit that bothered me was the pitch wow artefact in the delay. I got exactly what I came here for out of this one, as with all of them: early user experience.
Thanks, Doug!
Thanks, I will do some more with ToneStack, the guitar was slightly out of tune, but not by miles, the pitch artefacts in the delay are part of those two delays, one is based on a old style tape reverb where you can add flutter and the other is like the Binson Echorec where you can add flutter and dirt to the heads, no excuses for my playing except in a few instances where the tripod is in the way of me playing and making adjustments to the app. The way I make videos is a bit rough and ready, I like to do them in one continuous take, I dont like cutting, if some thing go's wrong I want you to see it go wrong and I want you to see me fight to correct it.
I promise I will never bullshit you and tell you I can do this or this or I understand everything about midi or code. Or that an app will do things it cant. I've watched some pro made demo videos for apps that seem amazing and bought them and they are terrible.
I don't like to make comparisons between similar apps, doing what I do I try to be unbiased, although I do get enthused about certain apps thay usually do something no other app does. I.E Sector, Sliver etc.
I do want to say a couple of things in my defence of sometimes dodgy videos. There are so many great and worthy apps out there, and I try and bring you as many as possible, that equates to around 20 to 25 videos a month. Thats a lot of work that involves a very short time to learn an app. So there are always going to things that I miss and things to be discovered in an app that I miss completely.
Of course you could argue that its better to have quailty over quantity, and thats true. But in this case if I did that then so many apps would never get a demo.
Your videos are the best. I'll take them over 'slick' presentations any time.
It's so great to have honest views of new apps, sometimes within hours of them appearing in the appstore (and in this case, even before then!).
Don't-ever-change-the-way-you-do-things! Please!
@dwarman said:
Exactly this!
@thesoundtestroom said:
...and these.
I'm always amazed at how deeply familiar you seem to get with an app within five minutes of downloading the flaming thing...
You've elected yourself to do a lot of work that benefits us all, Doug. I'm always amazed at your output, and am really grateful to be able to have a detailed glimpse inside of apps within days of their release. Thanks for what you do!
Hey Flo, I kept on asking you to record a DD based track that wasn't just a similar groove from start to fadeout, but you never wanted to change your approach. Why should Doug be any different?
Let's get real here - this is a PREVIEW video that is a free service to others that Doug took his own time to put together. Production quality and playing skill really have ver little to do with why the video is useful to people who may be interested in the app.
I think the appropriate response to Doug is "thank you", or you can go look for a better video that gives a sense of how the app works - you won't find it from Yonac or anyone else in the community.
Oh, and for the record, noodling around on an occasionally out of tune guitar while playing with the settings every minute or so is EXACTLY how myself and many others will experience this app once it is released!
I'm all for constructive criticism but you said it yourself at the start of your comment @flo26: It was just kinda rude, eh? Just to not start something: I don't think you're rude! Glad you're here. Just that comment and I'm only bringing it up to maybe explain all of the other comments you're amazed by.
Doug's videos are always kind of DIY/punk rock in ethos. Occasionally the guitar tuning is too!
@StormJH1 said:
^ this.
Flo, I guess the point I failed to make in my roundabout way is that it appears you and Doug each feel that the stuff you post achieves your aims and does not need to be changed to suit anyone else's vision of what it should or could be.
Just to echo syrupcore's statement, I'm glad you're here too...
Flo26, I have to say I have nothing against you personally, in fact I think you're a good guy, so please take the following with that in mind.
Over the course of my life I've encountered plenty of snobbish muso types, who look down their noses at others who might not have the same chops as them, and personally I find it incredibly tedious. Guitar forums are full of these types, that slate anyone who in their eyes doesn't have enough technique. It's bullshit.
I'm not saying you are like this, but a few of your comments have reminded me of this attitude, hopefully it's not what how you intended to come across. In my view we should steer clear of criticizing people's technique unless they have specifically asked for crits, and this goes even more so for people who are taking the time to make demos. Doug obviously has some serious piano skills, and his guitar playing is just fine IMO. Criticizing his playing is completely pointless in this context, he wasn't trying to put a record out, he was showing us the workings of an app.
Anyway please don't be offended, I think it's perfectly OK to express an opinion, no matter how strongly, but without being "holier-than-thou", even if it's unintentional.