Disappearing apps and apple no refunds

NeonSilicon

@Simon said:

@NeonSilicon said:
Why doesn't Cubasis on Android support plugins? Why is Cubasis on Android limited to a lower bit-depth and much lower I/O configurations?

So you can do audio apps for Android, even though they are not as good as iOS?

"Why doesn't Cubasis on Android support plugins?" So, no, the answer is I can't.

Simon

@NeonSilicon said:
"Why doesn't Cubasis on Android support plugins?" So, no, the answer is I can't.

I'm getting confused here. I know nothing about Android and have never even touched and Android phone or tablet, so I'm going on what you say as you have researched it.

Before you said "And no Android doesn't work for audio." How can all these apps be on Android if Android doesn't work for audio? Do you mean Android does audio but not as well as iOS?

NeonSilicon

@Simon said:

@NeonSilicon said:
"Why doesn't Cubasis on Android support plugins?" So, no, the answer is I can't.

I'm getting confused here. I know nothing about Android and have never even touched and Android phone or tablet, so I'm going on what you say as you have researched it.

Before you said "And no Android doesn't work for audio." How can all these apps be on Android if Android doesn't work for audio? Do you mean Android isn't as good as iOS?

All these apps? You've listed two. Look at the number of audio apps on iOS and how long they've been there.

I write plugins. Android doesn't support plugins. So I can't port these to Android.

Going deeper, the experience of using audio software on Android is bad enough on most devices that audio developers don't want their professional names associated with it. They don't want to deal with the complaints. As you can see from the link I gave above, the best case on Android isn't good enough. The best case isn't good enough. The worst case is abysmal. Android has gotten better. If it ever is good enough, I'll be there in an instant. For now, I'm porting my software to the Raspberry Pi. That's probably a totally stupid thing to do on my part, but at least the latency on my little Raspberry Pi is about 20 times better than it is on Android. The combined touch latency and bluetooth latency of sending "taps" from my iPad to my Pi is still better than Android.

Simon

@NeonSilicon said:
All these apps? You've listed two. Look at the number of audio apps on iOS and how long they've been there.

I write plugins. Android doesn't support plugins. So I can't port these to Android.

Going deeper, the experience of using audio software on Android is bad enough on most devices that audio developers don't want their professional names associated with it. They don't want to deal with the complaints. As you can see from the link I gave above, the best case on Android isn't good enough. The best case isn't good enough. The worst case is abysmal. Android has gotten better. If it ever is good enough, I'll be there in an instant. For now, I'm porting my software to the Raspberry Pi. That's probably a totally stupid thing to do on my part, but at least the latency on my little Raspberry Pi is about 20 times better than it is on Android. The combined touch latency and bluetooth latency of sending "taps" from my iPad to my Pi is still better than Android.

OK. I get the picture. Sounds pretty bad.

What you need to understand is that not everyone has researched this stuff and when you make a sweeping statement like "And no Android doesn't work for audio" people like me think "how come Cubasis and Koala and Fruity Loops are on Android if audio doesn't work?". It is a reasonable question to ask.

michael_m

Android tablet manufacturers even seem to have dropped their comparisons to iPads now. Mostly touting their ‘superiority’ by asserting that they had a USB port and could run Flash animations, so not surprised that things have gone quiet.

Don’t think I ever hear anyone suggest that audio on Android is usable other than developers who have created audio apps on Android, but a quick review of their Play Store reviews shows that it’s not really a viable platform.

NeonSilicon

Google is currently working on a tablet version of Android again after letting it rot for several years. Samsung at least looks to be trying to push at the higher end of tablets. Maybe that will lead to a good user experience soon. It's hard for me to trust that it will though with the track record of Google's focus so far.

michael_m

@NeonSilicon said:
Google is currently working on a tablet version of Android again after letting it rot for several years. Samsung at least looks to be trying to push at the higher end of tablets. Maybe that will lead to a good user experience soon. It's hard for me to trust that it will though with the track record of Google's focus so far.

Samsung had a fair market share of tablets at one point, but being cheaper than an iPad had a lot of disadvantages such as poor performance all round and short battery life.

You can pick up a no name brand Android tablet for next to nothing now, but it will quickly end up being taken to the recycling center (or thrown in the trash if you’re so inclined) as they’re little more than fancy paperweights.

You get what you pay for is probably more true for tablets than most other consumer items.

adilsaribay

@espiegel123 said:

@adilsaribay said:
I had the same with Patterning. I got it years ago. Have not had an iPad for a while and now I have one again. But Patterning is gone. Not cool. I'm being forced into upgrading to Patterning 2. I'd rather be attracted because of new features but to be forced while what I already own is stolen away does not sit well.

Are you sure that you can’t download patterning 1 by going to your purchase history and re-downloading from there?

@wim said:

@NeuM said:
As I've said repeatedly, in this theoretical scenario there literally is no developer (and consequently, no property owner) because their company is gone or they are gone. In that event, Apple cannot simply take ownership over this property. It only makes sense that they discontinue sales of the app. As far as I know, they do not delete apps remotely from user devices. So, a user might continue to keep and use the app with no support and no hope of upgrades, but there would come a time the app would be incompatible for one reason or other.

Yes they could, if it was written into the developer terms and conditions that the binary would remain indefinitely barring any overriding legal circumstance or other agreed conditions. It isn't, and I'm sure Apple prefers it that way.

But there is no legal reason that a contract couldn't be drafted to accommodate this.

Dudes, thanks a lot. I'm not so knowledgeable about how Apple works so I didn't know this. Cheers!