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iPad as PortaStudio

Hi everyone :) i always come here to ask silly questions but i hope someone can help me.

I've been using iPad since 4-5 years and i have never recorder anything here. Mostly because workflow setting.
Now i'm kinda ALMOST having my own workflow which is nice .... BUT, i would like to "replicate" a Portastudio with my iPad.
I have Loopy Pro, AUM, Cubasis 3, etc.... Which will be the best setting for it?
I use a nanoKontrol 1 as main Mixer mapped to AUM.
Can i map the "start/stop/rec/rew" buttons to AUM AND Cubasis to record and come back to the beginning faster? Do i need to use Ableton Link for that? What would be an easy solution for it? I tried it but doesn't work properly in Clock i guess (when i pressed play in AUM, this one start a bar or two later than Cubasis....)

Any help would be appreciate :) Thanks

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  • edited February 2022

    If you want to use Cubasis as an old school portastudio?
    Switch off Ableton Link.
    Disable Return to Start Position on Stop and switch off midi clock.

    As you’re using AUM?
    Then switch on Ableton Link
    Enable return to Start Position on Stop.

    I have yet to have both Cubasis 3 and AUm mapped to the
    same midi controllers for forward, rewind and stop.
    It will be interesting to see the responses.

    By the way I used to have a portastudio way back in the day.
    It didn’t have Ableton Link, Return to Start Position except rewind
    and midi clock was midi time code recorded on to one channel
    so we were only left with three channels to record on to. 😁

  • As far as I know the transport controls in Cubasis 3 are midi-mappable so it should be able to do it.

  • @Gravitas said:
    If you want to use Cubasis as an old school portastudio?
    Switch off Ableton Link.
    Disable Return to Start Position on Stop and switch off midi clock.

    As you’re using AUM?
    Then switch on Ableton Link
    Enable return to Start Position on Stop.

    I Switch off Ableton Link in Cubasis WITH AUM as Main Audio Source?

    I'm 100% with AUM, but i want to record and then be able to Edit some of the audios, so that's why i'm imagining as a "portastudio" situation. All of the audio that comes from AUM would be "clock" with AUM so goes "in the beat" to Cubasis, isn't it?

    At least i imagine a Portastudio where you can set up the same BPM and tempo from AUM haha

  • In an almost Pavlovian response, I have to tell you you’re 10 years too late.

  • @raimundoarriagada said:

    @Gravitas said:
    If you want to use Cubasis as an old school portastudio?
    Switch off Ableton Link.
    Disable Return to Start Position on Stop and switch off midi clock.

    As you’re using AUM?
    Then switch on Ableton Link
    Enable return to Start Position on Stop.

    I Switch off Ableton Link in Cubasis WITH AUM as Main Audio Source?

    I'm 100% with AUM, but i want to record and then be able to Edit some of the audios, so that's why i'm imagining as a "portastudio" situation. All of the audio that comes from AUM would be "clock" with AUM so goes "in the beat" to Cubasis, isn't it?

    At least i imagine a Portastudio where you can set up the same BPM and tempo from AUM haha

    If you like using AUM as your host. The multitrack recorder AU will give you a more portastudio like experience than trying to use AUM with Cubasis

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    In an almost Pavlovian response, I have to tell you you’re 10 years too late.

    :D :+1:

  • @raimundoarriagada said:

    @Gravitas said:
    If you want to use Cubasis as an old school portastudio?
    Switch off Ableton Link.
    Disable Return to Start Position on Stop and switch off midi clock.

    As you’re using AUM?
    Then switch on Ableton Link
    Enable return to Start Position on Stop.

    I Switch off Ableton Link in Cubasis WITH AUM as Main Audio Source?

    I'm 100% with AUM, but i want to record and then be able to Edit some of the audios, so that's why i'm imagining as a "portastudio" situation. All of the audio that comes from AUM would be "clock" with AUM so goes "in the beat" to Cubasis, isn't it?

    At least i imagine a Portastudio where you can set up the same BPM and tempo from AUM haha

    Similar to the other responses I was explaining an almost
    one to one method of using Cubasis 3 as a portastudio. 😏

    Yup, sync Cubasis 3 and AUM using Ableton Link as neither like
    to follow using midi clock and Ableton Link is very stable once
    you’ve got them starting at the same time.

    You could quite feasibly map both Cubasis and AUM to the same midi transport messages.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    In an almost Pavlovian response, I have to tell you you’re 10 years too late.

    :D :+1:

    +1

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    In an almost Pavlovian response, I have to tell you you’re 10 years too late.

    Damn! This app runs in iOS 13? hahhaha Looks awesome btw

  • @Gravitas said:

    @raimundoarriagada said:

    @Gravitas said:
    If you want to use Cubasis as an old school portastudio?
    Switch off Ableton Link.
    Disable Return to Start Position on Stop and switch off midi clock.

    As you’re using AUM?
    Then switch on Ableton Link
    Enable return to Start Position on Stop.

    I Switch off Ableton Link in Cubasis WITH AUM as Main Audio Source?

    I'm 100% with AUM, but i want to record and then be able to Edit some of the audios, so that's why i'm imagining as a "portastudio" situation. All of the audio that comes from AUM would be "clock" with AUM so goes "in the beat" to Cubasis, isn't it?

    At least i imagine a Portastudio where you can set up the same BPM and tempo from AUM haha

    Similar to the other responses I was explaining an almost
    one to one method of using Cubasis 3 as a portastudio. 😏

    Yup, sync Cubasis 3 and AUM using Ableton Link as neither like
    to follow using midi clock and Ableton Link is very stable once
    you’ve got them starting at the same time.

    You could quite feasibly map both Cubasis and AUM to the same midi transport messages.

    As always, thanks for your answer and everybodys :) will try right now and see what happend :)

  • @Gravitas said:
    If you want to use Cubasis as an old school portastudio?
    Switch off Ableton Link.
    Disable Return to Start Position on Stop and switch off midi clock.

    As you’re using AUM?
    Then switch on Ableton Link
    Enable return to Start Position on Stop.

    I have yet to have both Cubasis 3 and AUm mapped to the
    same midi controllers for forward, rewind and stop.
    It will be interesting to see the responses.

    By the way I used to have a portastudio way back in the day.
    It didn’t have Ableton Link, Return to Start Position except rewind
    and midi clock was midi time code recorded on to one channel
    so we were only left with three channels to record on to. 😁

    You forgot to mention having to bounce recorded tracks to free up space. Perhaps the joy could be further increased by using a cassette plugin on the Master when bouncing, for that authentic degradation ;)

    I did the 4-track thing for years, albeit with no MIDI sync'ing. Ah...Good times.

  • @raimundoarriagada said:

    As always, thanks for your answer and everybodys :) will try right now and see what happend :)

    No problem.

    @el_bo said:aps the joy could be further increased by using a cassette plugin on the Master when bouncing, for that authentic degradation ;)

    I didn’t forget.
    I didn’t want to remind anyone of those “features”. 😁

    I did the 4-track thing for years, albeit with no MIDI sync'ing. Ah...Good times.

    I still have my Notator SMPTE reader/writer buried someplace in my music room.

    I love Ableton Link especially with Start/stop enabled. 😁

  • @Gravitas said:

    @raimundoarriagada said:

    As always, thanks for your answer and everybodys :) will try right now and see what happend :)

    No problem.

    @el_bo said:aps the joy could be further increased by using a cassette plugin on the Master when bouncing, for that authentic degradation ;)

    I didn’t forget.
    I didn’t want to remind anyone of those “features”. 😁

    I did the 4-track thing for years, albeit with no MIDI sync'ing. Ah...Good times.

    I still have my Notator SMPTE reader/writer buried someplace in my music room.

    I love Ableton Link especially with Start/stop enabled. 😁

    Nice! Perhaps we should initiate a 4-track challenge, one day ;)

  • Forgive my ignorance…. But why??

  • Still got my 424 mk III, and still use it!

  • @ghost_forests said:
    Still got my 424 mk III, and still use it!

    Nice :)

  • @LinearLineman said:
    Forgive my ignorance…. But why??

    Great memories sometimes need anchors to refresh.

  • W.E. Whitmore ...

    And sometimes our dreams they float like anchors
    In hopeless waters oh way down deep
    Sometimes it seems that all that matters most
    Are all the things that you can't keep

  • @LinearLineman said:
    Forgive my ignorance…. But why??

    Hey, thanks for writing here :) i like your jazzy iPad productions. Which app do you use for recording? Looking similar approach as yours

    Mostly because i'm looking for some workflow where i can record and edit or record again in another track, but controlled by AUM and not wanting to "edit" directly but if i want to, be able to do it (Don't like AUM because i need to open every track recorded in a new track, so 6-8 new tracks just for that and starts to look messy)

  • @Gravitas said:
    I still have my Notator SMPTE reader/writer buried someplace in my music room.

    I love Ableton Link especially with Start/stop enabled. 😁

    I got a couple MMT-8s for FSK sync too =)
    It's a shame how expensive portastudios have become lately. I'd really like to pick up an 8 track for some experimentation, but at their current prices I don't see that happening. The 424s are great, but striping a sync tone is a big hit to the track count.

  • Thanks @raimundoarriagada. I have always used Cubasis as it has an old school style gui and that does not stress my frozen 1970s POV. It doesn’t have the workflow you describe in AUM. You just record tracks and work on them as they are. My needs are pretty simple…. Some simple midi editing, a few FX, access to AU presets of synth and acoustic instruments, and occasional quantizing or bpm adjustment.

    I realize Cubasis can do a hell of a lot more than that, as can other, more modern style, DAWs. I don’t make projects with more than 10 tracks or so and those are rare, so, for me, Cubasis is kind of like a Portastudio, only a hell of a lot better, more fun and sonically superior.

    Hope that helps!

  • edited February 2022

    I really wish someone would make a modern, digital portastudio. The past year I was working on a mockup of my dream portastudio, with an analog multi-mode filter per track, a 'virtual tape' style workflow, and some other synth style inspirations such as internal envelopes, envelope followers, and DC recording. Well, it's not totally fleshed out yet haha.

  • @aleyas said:
    I really wish someone would make a modern, digital portastudio. The past year I was working on a mockup of my dream portastudio, with an analog multi-mode filter per track, a 'virtual tape' style workflow, and some other synth style inspirations such as internal envelopes, envelope followers, and DC recording. Well, it's not totally fleshed out yet haha.

    i can see my iPad in the middle of that desk :)

  • Loopy Pro AU seems to me like it would be perfect for this. Maybe have Neon Audio Editor on standby to quickly cut and paste into and out of when you need to do some more advanced editing.

  • @aleyas said:

    @Gravitas said:
    I still have my Notator SMPTE reader/writer buried someplace in my music room.

    I love Ableton Link especially with Start/stop enabled. 😁

    I got a couple MMT-8s for FSK sync too =)
    It's a shame how expensive portastudios have become lately. I'd really like to pick up an 8 track for some experimentation, but at their current prices I don't see that happening. The 424s are great, but striping a sync tone is a big hit to the track count.

    I had a moment there when I saw your Alesis.
    The casing is exactly the same as the Alesis HR-16 except
    for labelling which I’ve actually still got.
    I’ve been thinking about circuit bending it for the longest while.
    One of those projects that one keeps thinking about and then
    doesn’t ever get around to doing it.

    I want to get one of those Teac 8 track cassette recorders.
    I’ve still got a few tapes with music that was recorded using them.

    That 424 is a classic. 😁
    and yeah losing a track to sync tone was always annoying.

  • @wim i haven’t been keeping up with loopy. Can it reverse tracks at the moment? I also know it does timestretch pretty well, but not sure if it does classic ‘reduce tempo to reduce pitch’? I know that’s not what most people want, but for the sake of reproducing a portastudio workflow it’d be necessary.

    (Would check myself, but my demo has long since expired)

  • @aleyas said:
    @wim i haven’t been keeping up with loopy. Can it reverse tracks at the moment? I also know it does timestretch pretty well, but not sure if it does classic ‘reduce tempo to reduce pitch’? I know that’s not what most people want, but for the sake of reproducing a portastudio workflow it’d be necessary.

    No, it can't reverse tracks at this time. It also doesn't have reduce tempo to reduce pitch. You can reduce pitch and you can reduce tempo, but not as one integrated function.

    Sorry, I didn't read the thread in enough detail to notice you wanted those.

  • @wim said:

    @aleyas said:
    @wim i haven’t been keeping up with loopy. Can it reverse tracks at the moment? I also know it does timestretch pretty well, but not sure if it does classic ‘reduce tempo to reduce pitch’? I know that’s not what most people want, but for the sake of reproducing a portastudio workflow it’d be necessary.

    No, it can't reverse tracks at this time. It also doesn't have reduce tempo to reduce pitch. You can reduce pitch and you can reduce tempo, but not as one integrated function.

    Sorry, I didn't read the thread in enough detail to notice you wanted those.

    Ah, well it’s not my thread, not sure if those features are important to the OP or not 😋

    It does seem like it’d be possible to mostly replicate a portastudio workflow with Loopy though, with its UI builder options. When loopy gets reverse, I think that’s when I’ll end up buying it.

  • @Gravitas said:
    I had a moment there when I saw your Alesis.
    The casing is exactly the same as the Alesis HR-16 except
    for labelling which I’ve actually still got.
    I’ve been thinking about circuit bending it for the longest while.
    One of those projects that one keeps thinking about and then
    doesn’t ever get around to doing it.

    I want to get one of those Teac 8 track cassette recorders.
    I’ve still got a few tapes with music that was recorded using them.

    That 424 is a classic. 😁
    and yeah losing a track to sync tone was always annoying.

    You mean this guy? 😉
    Yeah, I only keep it around for the same reason as you. One of too many projects not gotten around to.

    Oh yeah, you’d need the Teac in order to even play those tapes to make digital backups of them.
    So much fun, tape though. I’ve got a few 424+Drambo projects/experiments I’ve been meaning to try. I’ll be sure to @ you when I get around to them 😁

  • @aleyas said:

    You mean this guy? 😉

    Yeah, that guy.

    Oh yeah, you’d need the Teac in order to even play those tapes to make digital backups of them.

    The cassettes are “stored” and don’t see the light of day.

    So much fun, tape though. I’ve got a few 424+Drambo projects/experiments I’ve been meaning to try. I’ll be sure to @ you when I get around to them 😁

    Looking forward to it. 😁

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