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Please tell me your preferred mastering app on iOS

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  • @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’ve found Final Touch doesn’t work right any more. A while back I was able to use tweaked presets for great results and then a month or so later I wasn’t getting the same results following the same procedures. Everything sounded distorted and overdriven. I contacted the dev and if I remember correctly they said there would be no further updates. This was 2-3 years ago.

    That Sounds like it could be a sample rate issue to me.

    Good suggestion but I tried the same song at 44.1 and 48k and got weird artifacts in the same places in both. I’ve decided to stop trying to figure out why iOS stuff doesn’t work as expected (my expectations based on my experience) and just go with what I find does work. Hence my use of Grand Finale. For me it just works. You have to read the manual because all functions are not obvious. But it’s only 6 pages. 😆

  • wimwim
    edited February 2022

    @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’ve found Final Touch doesn’t work right any more. A while back I was able to use tweaked presets for great results and then a month or so later I wasn’t getting the same results following the same procedures. Everything sounded distorted and overdriven. I contacted the dev and if I remember correctly they said there would be no further updates. This was 2-3 years ago.

    That Sounds like it could be a sample rate issue to me.

    Good suggestion but I tried the same song at 44.1 and 48k and got weird artifacts in the same places in both. I’ve decided to stop trying to figure out why iOS stuff doesn’t work as expected (my expectations based on my experience) and just go with what I find does work. Hence my use of Grand Finale. For me it just works. You have to read the manual because all functions are not obvious. But it’s only 6 pages. 😆

    I misread your post. Thought you were talking about problems with Grand Finale. That's my go-to app too, and the only one I've gotten good results out of (due to my inability to master mastering). I'm glad it's working for you too.

  • Always TB EQ followed by TB Barricade gives you a solid mastering level eq, compressor and limiter.

    This is all you need really, but sometimes I’ll add something specific to give it some colour. I usually slap barkfilter on there to see if I get lucky too 😜

  • @richardyot said:
    All you need is FabFilter Pro L2 in the last slot of your master bus.

    Would Barricade compressor and limiter, be a decent option here? I’m. In the market for a mastering/master bus app. I was leaning barricade, but still not sure.

  • Definitely favoriting this thread for later recall

  • @Poppadocrock said:

    @richardyot said:
    All you need is FabFilter Pro L2 in the last slot of your master bus.

    Would Barricade compressor and limiter, be a decent option here? I’m. In the market for a mastering/master bus app. I was leaning barricade, but still not sure.

    Yes Barricade is a decent option too. I prefer the metering in Pro L2 but Barricade can do the job.

  • @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’ve found Final Touch doesn’t work right any more. A while back I was able to use tweaked presets for great results and then a month or so later I wasn’t getting the same results following the same procedures. Everything sounded distorted and overdriven. I contacted the dev and if I remember correctly they said there would be no further updates. This was 2-3 years ago.

    That Sounds like it could be a sample rate issue to me.

    Good suggestion but I tried the same song at 44.1 and 48k and got weird artifacts in the same places in both. I’ve decided to stop trying to figure out why iOS stuff doesn’t work as expected (my expectations based on my experience) and just go with what I find does work. Hence my use of Grand Finale. For me it just works. You have to read the manual because all functions are not obvious. But it’s only 6 pages. 😆

    I misread your post. Thought you were talking about problems with Grand Finale. That's my go-to app too, and the only one I've gotten good results out of (due to my inability to master mastering). I'm glad it's working for you too.

    Ha! I have referred to Final Touch when I meant Grand Finale and vice versa more than once. So I’ve also decided to stop trying to figure out why my brain doesn’t always work as expected as well. 😂

  • @richardyot said:

    @Poppadocrock said:

    @richardyot said:
    All you need is FabFilter Pro L2 in the last slot of your master bus.

    Would Barricade compressor and limiter, be a decent option here? I’m. In the market for a mastering/master bus app. I was leaning barricade, but still not sure.

    Yes Barricade is a decent option too. I prefer the metering in Pro L2 but Barricade can do the job.

    Right on, unless I catch a sale it’s just above 3x’s the price, so that’s why I’m leaning that way. Thanks for the feedback.

  • Final touch is actually half off at $9.99 check sales thread for link

  • I feel like I’m one of the rare ones that haven’t dove into the FabFilter apps yet, but I usually use Cubasis 3 + their built in mastering effects as well as a lot of Toneboosters and FAC plugins. Bark filter also. It can do some magic.

  • @richardyot said:

    @Poppadocrock said:

    @richardyot said:
    All you need is FabFilter Pro L2 in the last slot of your master bus.

    Would Barricade compressor and limiter, be a decent option here? I’m. In the market for a mastering/master bus app. I was leaning barricade, but still not sure.

    Yes Barricade is a decent option too. I prefer the metering in Pro L2 but Barricade can do the job.

    Fabfilter Pro L2 is probably the “standard”for a more professional job. However I find Barricade gives a more pleasing sound, with the distorsion and compression. Sort of saves you a few steps in a single plugin. I like it better for quick and nice results.

  • @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’m planning on getting MagicDeathEye after buying and falling in love with MagicVerb. Amazing stuff.

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  • @tahiche said:

    @richardyot said:

    @Poppadocrock said:

    @richardyot said:
    All you need is FabFilter Pro L2 in the last slot of your master bus.

    Would Barricade compressor and limiter, be a decent option here? I’m. In the market for a mastering/master bus app. I was leaning barricade, but still not sure.

    Yes Barricade is a decent option too. I prefer the metering in Pro L2 but Barricade can do the job.

    Fabfilter Pro L2 is probably the “standard”for a more professional job. However I find Barricade gives a more pleasing sound, with the distorsion and compression. Sort of saves you a few steps in a single plugin. I like it better for quick and nice results.

    Barricade has some great saturation models that you can add. Presumably L2 has similar, I don’t have it.

  • @wim said:
    That GF can only run standalone is a plus, not a drawback. Putting a mastering plugin at the end of your signal chain is ridiculous IMO. The mix needs to be as perfect as possible before putting that last bit of spit and polish. Having it sitting there influencing your mixing decisions as you work just seems really, really destructive to me. If there are problems that emerge when running the final mix through Grand Finale, then I need to think hard about what went wrong, and redo the mix without the influence of GF and then try again. The last thing I need is to have the temptation to adjust the mix under the influence of a mastering plugin.

    If it was an au couldn't you just place it there muted until the mix was ready? It even just wait until you have finished to put it there. I wish is was au because that is how I'd use it. If you really can't control yourself freeze every track before inserting GF? Pointless discussion anyway I guess as it ain't au.

  • @tja said:
    Grand Finale would be nice, if they allowed to configure it's Limiter.

    About Mixing, I recently heard a fine summary and tutorial by Dan Worrall

    >

    Worth hearing!

    Nice video.

    You can configure Grand Finale’s limiter. MEDIUM - FAST - SLOW 😆

  • Generally I use different plugs in, Fabfilter, Toneboosters, sometimes MixBox and others nand use them all together in different combinations depending on the track, as far as a specific mastering apps, Final Touch by Positive Grid. Haven’t used it much lately but as far as apps that are just mastering apps that’s the one at the top of my list.

  • wimwim
    edited February 2022

    @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:
    That GF can only run standalone is a plus, not a drawback. Putting a mastering plugin at the end of your signal chain is ridiculous IMO. The mix needs to be as perfect as possible before putting that last bit of spit and polish. Having it sitting there influencing your mixing decisions as you work just seems really, really destructive to me. If there are problems that emerge when running the final mix through Grand Finale, then I need to think hard about what went wrong, and redo the mix without the influence of GF and then try again. The last thing I need is to have the temptation to adjust the mix under the influence of a mastering plugin.

    If it was an au couldn't you just place it there muted until the mix was ready? It even just wait until you have finished to put it there. I wish is was au because that is how I'd use it. If you really can't control yourself freeze every track before inserting GF? Pointless discussion anyway I guess as it ain't au.

    To what benefit? Saving a couple of seconds? I don't care about that. But, I'll give you the developer's response, which is that the type of processing that it does is just easier to deal with in a high quality way in a non-realtime scenario.

    As you mentioned, it's not AUv3 and isn't ever planned to be. If that disqualifies it for some, then it's good that it came up.

  • @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’ve found Final Touch doesn’t work right any more. A while back I was able to use tweaked presets for great results and then a month or so later I wasn’t getting the same results following the same procedures. Everything sounded distorted and overdriven. I contacted the dev and if I remember correctly they said there would be no further updates. This was 2-3 years ago.

    That Sounds like it could be a sample rate issue to me.

    Good suggestion but I tried the same song at 44.1 and 48k and got weird artifacts in the same places in both. I’ve decided to stop trying to figure out why iOS stuff doesn’t work as expected (my expectations based on my experience) and just go with what I find does work. Hence my use of Grand Finale. For me it just works. You have to read the manual because all functions are not obvious. But it’s only 6 pages. 😆

    Six pages? That is outrageous!

  • @NeuM said:

    @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’ve found Final Touch doesn’t work right any more. A while back I was able to use tweaked presets for great results and then a month or so later I wasn’t getting the same results following the same procedures. Everything sounded distorted and overdriven. I contacted the dev and if I remember correctly they said there would be no further updates. This was 2-3 years ago.

    That Sounds like it could be a sample rate issue to me.

    Good suggestion but I tried the same song at 44.1 and 48k and got weird artifacts in the same places in both. I’ve decided to stop trying to figure out why iOS stuff doesn’t work as expected (my expectations based on my experience) and just go with what I find does work. Hence my use of Grand Finale. For me it just works. You have to read the manual because all functions are not obvious. But it’s only 6 pages. 😆

    Six pages? That is outrageous!

    Yeah but it’s 6 pages like a college paper with 1.5 inch margins and 16 pt font size. 😆

  • I wouldn’t put myself at the Mastering level yet. More Apprenticing… 😎

  • edited February 2022

    @wim said:
    As you mentioned, it's not AUv3 and isn't ever planned to be. If that disqualifies it for some, then it's good that it came up.

    To what benefit?

    Just because you can't see the benefit doesn't mean it isn't there. Quite simply, regardless of yours, or any one else's preference, mine is to work within a single app where possible, so I would much prefer an auv3 mastering plugin to insert on the master.

    Also, you said

    @wim said:
    That GF can only run standalone is a plus, not a drawback. Putting a mastering plugin at the end of your signal chain is ridiculous IMO.

    I fail to see how standalone is a plus when it is only for a proportion of the users. A plus would be if it had options to suit everyone.

  • @anickt said:

    @NeuM said:

    @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @anickt said:

    @JeffChasteen said:
    Final Touch, Grand Finale, or Barkfilter w/MagicDeath Eye depending on the need.

    I’ve found Final Touch doesn’t work right any more. A while back I was able to use tweaked presets for great results and then a month or so later I wasn’t getting the same results following the same procedures. Everything sounded distorted and overdriven. I contacted the dev and if I remember correctly they said there would be no further updates. This was 2-3 years ago.

    That Sounds like it could be a sample rate issue to me.

    Good suggestion but I tried the same song at 44.1 and 48k and got weird artifacts in the same places in both. I’ve decided to stop trying to figure out why iOS stuff doesn’t work as expected (my expectations based on my experience) and just go with what I find does work. Hence my use of Grand Finale. For me it just works. You have to read the manual because all functions are not obvious. But it’s only 6 pages. 😆

    Six pages? That is outrageous!

    Yeah but it’s 6 pages like a college paper with 1.5 inch margins and 16 pt font size. 😆

    And if there are also pictures...

  • wimwim
    edited February 2022

    @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:
    As you mentioned, it's not AUv3 and isn't ever planned to be. If that disqualifies it for some, then it's good that it came up.

    To what benefit?

    Just because you can't see the benefit doesn't mean it isn't there. Quite simply, regardless of yours, or any one else's preference, mine is to work within a single app where possible, so I would much prefer an auv3 mastering plugin to insert on the master.

    I was only answering from my own perspective, though I can see how it would sound like I was judging yours.

    Also, you said

    @wim said:
    That GF can only run standalone is a plus, not a drawback. Putting a mastering plugin at the end of your signal chain is ridiculous IMO.

    I fail to see how standalone is a plus when it is only for a proportion of the users. A plus would be if it had options to suit everyone.

    Again. My from my perspective only. I prefer it that way. I have no opinion on whether it's a plus to anyone else. I could have been clearer on that point.

    Anyway, it isn't and is almost certainly never going to be anything but standalone. The developer said as much. So, it's good that you brought it up for the benefit of anyone else for whom that's a factor.

  • @wim said:

    @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:
    As you mentioned, it's not AUv3 and isn't ever planned to be. If that disqualifies it for some, then it's good that it came up.

    To what benefit?

    Just because you can't see the benefit doesn't mean it isn't there. Quite simply, regardless of yours, or any one else's preference, mine is to work within a single app where possible, so I would much prefer an auv3 mastering plugin to insert on the master.

    I was only answering from my own perspective, though I can see how it would sound like I was judging yours.

    Also, you said

    @wim said:
    That GF can only run standalone is a plus, not a drawback. Putting a mastering plugin at the end of your signal chain is ridiculous IMO.

    I fail to see how standalone is a plus when it is only for a proportion of the users. A plus would be if it had options to suit everyone.

    Again. My from my perspective only. I prefer it that way. I have no opinion on whether it's a plus to anyone else. I could have been clearer on that point.

    Anyway, it isn't and is almost certainly never going to be anything but standalone. The developer said as much. So, it's good that you brought it up for the benefit of anyone else for whom that's a factor.

    Well I'm demanding an auv3. ;)

    Not really though. As they say, it is what it is. If I liked it enough I'd use it standalone. I may even get it but I get by at present because I'm not really mastering, just getting the best mix I can and not taking it all too serious. I leave that for the desktop.

  • @tja said:
    Those are typically mixing activities, not mastering.

    Wow. I didn't even know I wasn't bothering to mix.

    "How do you like your music, Mr. Bond?"
    "Shaken, not stirred."

    That's what I do. I shake it. No mixing.

  • This may be blasphemy but... do you always need to do mastering?

    If you are not releasing audio on streaming or CD or fighting the loudness wars can you forget mastering? Just record and mix with FX or EQ or whatever?

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  • @Simon said:
    This may be blasphemy but... do you always need to do mastering?

    If you are not releasing audio on streaming or CD or fighting the loudness wars can you forget mastering? Just record and mix with FX or EQ or whatever?

    Yes.
    Use a true-peak limiter like Barricade to tame surprise peaks even on quiet mixes.

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