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  • @Bluepunk said:
    On the LIFSy LUFSy stuff, here’s Dai Kutch with two minutes of LOFSy LEFSy advicey:

    LAFSy :)

    Hi there 👋

  • @Bluepunk said:
    On the LIFSy LUFSy stuff, here’s Dai Kutch with two minutes of LOFSy LEFSy advicey:

    LAFSy :)

    (I've watched the two-minute video now :) )

    Yeah, I get that, however I also disagree. If you're putting together an album and you want all the tracks to have the same relative loudness I think targeting a specific LUFS meter reading is super-useful. I can't see any way to do this reliably without using the meters.

  • @Bluepunk said:
    On the LIFSy LUFSy stuff, here’s Dai Kutch with two minutes of LOFSy LEFSy advicey:

    LAFSy :)

    This video makes me feel good 😊

  • Anybody tried IKM‘s Lurssen Mastering Console? Is it good?

    https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/lurssen/

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  • @krassmann said:
    Anybody tried IKM‘s Lurssen Mastering Console? Is it good?

    https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/lurssen/

    I'm interested in this, too. I mean, dozens of people here likely bought it for desktop in that recent IK group feeding frenzy :) - including me -, but I wonder how many of us haven't opened it since :)

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    @ervin said:

    @krassmann said:
    Anybody tried IKM‘s Lurssen Mastering Console? Is it good?

    https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/lurssen/

    I'm interested in this, too. I mean, dozens of people here likely bought it for desktop in that recent IK group feeding frenzy :) - including me -, but I wonder how many of us haven't opened it since :)

    Touché 🤣 I also got it during the IKM group buy but I was too ashamed to admit that I never tried it. Nonetheless I‘d like to know if it’s good. The truth is that I’m a total noob when it comes to mastering. I know that mastering is kind of science on its own but I’m still busy understanding music theory 😉. I have the hope that such an app is a shortcut to an acceptable mastering.

    C‘mon let’s start a new thread: Who bought Lurssen but never actually used it?

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  • @krassmann said:

    @ervin said:

    @krassmann said:
    Anybody tried IKM‘s Lurssen Mastering Console? Is it good?

    https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/lurssen/

    I'm interested in this, too. I mean, dozens of people here likely bought it for desktop in that recent IK group feeding frenzy :) - including me -, but I wonder how many of us haven't opened it since :)

    Touché 🤣 I also got it during the IKM group buy but I was too ashamed to admit that I never tried it. Nonetheless I‘d like to know if it’s good. The truth is that I’m a total noob when it comes to mastering. I know that mastering is kind of science on its own but I’m still busy understanding music theory 😉. I have the hope that such an app is a shortcut to an acceptable mastering.

    Fair points. Also, I think we are in the midst of a transition from the knowledge-based, "old school" mastering dark arts towards a new, technology-based (maybe AI-based in the future?) approach.

    It reminds me of learning lighting from old photographers, back in another life. They were film guys, absolute jedis, and knew more about light than we youngsters ever would dream of learning. They were amazing. On the other hand, we were digital, and what the Old Masters physically set up in an hour we could usually achieve in post with five minutes of Photoshop, and most people (including, crucially, most customers) couldn't spot the difference.

    I think the same is already happening in mixing and mastering. And I'm not (OK, not only) saying that because my hearing is not what it was 🥴

  • I've owned Lurrssen on iOs since around 2016, I mastered a few tracks with it and also did some extensive testing.

    IMO it's trying to market itself as "secret sauce" type app, you know, the kind that sprinkles magic fairy dust on your music. To me that speaks of the insecurity that many of us feel when it comes to mastering ("it's a dark art" etc).

    I take a much more pragmatic approach to the process these days: if you are happy with your mix, then the sole purpose of mastering is to prepare your music for a given platform, be it CD, vinyl, streaming, or radio - each of these will have different mastering requirements. That's what mastering engineers used to do, before the notion of secret sauce crept into the popular consciousness. IMO mastering should be a fairly pragmatic process, mostly to do with levels, and in some cases frequencies (such as low-cutting a vinyl master).

    Of course if you send your track to someone else for mastering then they will have a fresh pair of ears, and top-notch monitoring, and can fix some problems in your track. In this case they absolutely should fix any problems they encounter, and make your track sound as good as possible. But if you're mastering your own music then that won't apply.

  • @richardyot said:
    I've owned Lurrssen on iOs since around 2016, I mastered a few tracks with it and also did some extensive testing.

    IMO it's trying to market itself as "secret sauce" type app, you know, the kind that sprinkles magic fairy dust on your music. To me that speaks of the insecurity that many of us feel when it comes to mastering ("it's a dark art" etc).

    I take a much more pragmatic approach to the process these days: if you are happy with your mix, then the sole purpose of mastering is to prepare your music for a given platform, be it CD, vinyl, streaming, or radio - each of these will have different mastering requirements. That's what mastering engineers used to do, before the notion of secret sauce crept into the popular consciousness. IMO mastering should be a fairly pragmatic process, mostly to do with levels, and in some cases frequencies (such as low-cutting a vinyl master).

    Of course if you send your track to someone else for mastering then they will have a fresh pair of ears, and top-notch monitoring, and can fix some problems in your track. In this case they absolutely should fix any problems they encounter, and make your track sound as good as possible. But if you're mastering your own music then that won't apply.

    A good mastering engineer will suggest possible mix changes to get a better result.

    It’s ideal not to master your own music to get this extra pair of ears on it - most likely with better monitoring than us lot own.

    But if so, you’re spot on.

  • I liked Audio Mastering from Igor Vasiliev (no longer available).

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    @Simon said:
    This may be blasphemy but... do you always need to do mastering?

    If you are not releasing audio on streaming or CD or fighting the loudness wars can you forget mastering? Just record and mix with FX or EQ or whatever?

    Just about everything I do with my music hobby is in heavy quotes. From “composing” to “mixing” to “mastering” I am just a kid playing astronaut in the sandbox.

  • Youlean Loudness Meter is great for monitoring your ... loudness. I even payed extra for the Pro features (spectrum & vectorscope).

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  • @tja said:

    @pbelgium said:
    Youlean Loudness Meter is great for monitoring your ... loudness. I even payed extra for the Pro features (spectrum & vectorscope).

    Looks nice.

    But 20 euro for the Pro version?
    That's... simply inappropriate.

    You can use it for free to check your peaks/LUFS. I think the graphs are well done and probably the best on iOS.

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    Cubasis 3 + a few other apps depending on the song. Could include ToneBooster plugins or FabFilter plugins or a combo. Plus we have a video called The Top 4 Mastering Apps (non AUv3) for iPad here

  • @krassmann said:
    Touché 🤣 I also got it during the IKM group buy but I was too ashamed to admit that I never tried it. Nonetheless I‘d like to know if it’s good. The truth is that I’m a total noob when it comes to mastering.

    C‘mon let’s start a new thread: Who bought Lurssen but never actually used it?

    No shame on the ‘Bus. We’re a support group.

  • @richardyot said:
    IMO it's trying to market itself as "secret sauce" type app, you know, the kind that sprinkles magic fairy dust on your music. To me that speaks of the insecurity that many of us feel when it comes to mastering ("it's a dark art" etc).

    Yes, that's what I have noticed. And it seems to be pushed by companies selling matering software or people offering mastering services.

  • Big Mastering doesn’t want us to know the truth!

  • @MobileMusicPro said:
    Cubasis 3 + a few other apps depending on the song. Could include ToneBooster plugins or FabFilter plugins or a combo. Plus we have a video called The Top 4 Mastering Apps (non AUv3) for iPad here

    That was interesting. I really thought the Klevgrande was the only one that didn't overcook it is some areas.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Big Mastering doesn’t want us to know the truth!

    There is no truth or dark secrets. It's practice doing the same part of the music production process all day every day. :)

  • @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:

    @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:
    As you mentioned, it's not AUv3 and isn't ever planned to be. If that disqualifies it for some, then it's good that it came up.

    To what benefit?

    Just because you can't see the benefit doesn't mean it isn't there. Quite simply, regardless of yours, or any one else's preference, mine is to work within a single app where possible, so I would much prefer an auv3 mastering plugin to insert on the master.

    I was only answering from my own perspective, though I can see how it would sound like I was judging yours.

    Also, you said

    @wim said:
    That GF can only run standalone is a plus, not a drawback. Putting a mastering plugin at the end of your signal chain is ridiculous IMO.

    I fail to see how standalone is a plus when it is only for a proportion of the users. A plus would be if it had options to suit everyone.

    Again. My from my perspective only. I prefer it that way. I have no opinion on whether it's a plus to anyone else. I could have been clearer on that point.

    Anyway, it isn't and is almost certainly never going to be anything but standalone. The developer said as much. So, it's good that you brought it up for the benefit of anyone else for whom that's a factor.

    Well I'm demanding an auv3. ;)

    Not really though. As they say, it is what it is. If I liked it enough I'd use it standalone. I may even get it but I get by at present because I'm not really mastering, just getting the best mix I can and not taking it all too serious. I leave that for the desktop.

    Ironically, it only comes as a plugin on desktop. :o

  • @NoiseHorse said:

    @krassmann said:
    Touché 🤣 I also got it during the IKM group buy but I was too ashamed to admit that I never tried it. Nonetheless I‘d like to know if it’s good. The truth is that I’m a total noob when it comes to mastering.

    C‘mon let’s start a new thread: Who bought Lurssen but never actually used it?

    No shame on the ‘Bus. We’re a support group.

    👏🏻

  • @Tarekith said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Big Mastering doesn’t want us to know the truth!

    There is no truth or dark secrets. It's practice doing the same part of the music production process all day every day. :)

    In fairness though, your practical and no-nonsense approach (which comes across in all your videos and comments, and which I really like) is not typical of the genre. You're not alone; but there IS a lot of alchemy going on in the YouTube videos.

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    I can definitely recommend the mastering show podcast. In particular, look up the episodes on gain staging, eq, compression, limiting and loudness.

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  • Are You Listening by Izotope is probably the best video series on mastering I’ve seen so far if people want to learn more. Accessible so anyone can learn, but also highlights the importance of good monitoring and practice listening.

  • Ooooh I love mastering apps but unfortunately I use all of them more as a quick fix. Grand Finale is nice but lacks in depth what the actual controlls regulate, no eq values. Simply tweak knobs and listen until satisfied. I use this one mostly in my car for referrence. But I find GF the most complete having several windows including gain, hp filter, compr, eq, stereo tool, multiband compr, parallel compr and distortion, and lufs rms limiter. Presets doing misterious things.

    Final touch compared to todays standard is completely overpriczd despite the current discount.

    As for mastering I am simply considering sending my tracks to a pro mastering engineer. They also use nice analog gear.
    Price sadly equals a ton of ios apps, so I tend to work on more tracks at the same time and then pick the best track to let it master.
    I spend more time on mastering than I do on making the track so that has put things into perspective: mastering is subtle and very hard to be good at.

    No all in one app can do the job imo. There are good ones that do good things like izotope and mastering the mix but its mac.

    I focus on producing a good mix and this helps me in keeping a good workflow without getting bored of my own tracks.

    Cubasis usee here:
    Before mastering I mix my complete tracks into barricade of fabfilter L on the master channel. Opening the limiter on the master helps to check LUFS in a separate view to gain stage separate channels volume wise. I need this to first get my kick and bass balanced and then slide in the rest of the faders. Before mixdown of the premaster I remove the master limiter.
    Mixing into limiters: many have different opinions but Its been a workflow Ive been used to.

    If I realy want to master on IOS, I render the track into cubasis and insert all effect slots in the track with fabfilter pro eq, magic death eye stero, mixbox pultec, fabfilter MB, another fabfilter EQ, mixbox saturation, and maybe a mixbox signature bus preset.
    On the master I occasionaly put a very subtle mixbox ssl bus needle teasing compressor followed by a limiter, could be barricade or fabfilter L. And a final no edit eq to check freq levels. Morphit when using cans.

    I would encourage devs to make more mastering apps for IOS. We have plenty of everything except decent apps to MASTER.
    Tonal balance would be nice to have.

    Regards to all, great topic

    Bob

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