OT: Discussion re new iPads with no headphone jack...

mjm1138

@tja said:

@mjm1138 said:

@cyberheater said:
I’m hoping that someone invents a very low latency Bluetooth solution.

I read a rumor that Apple is working on low latency wireless audio, but it will not be Bluetooth

I want to plugin my perfect cabled Sennheiser headphones - in all of my devices, from TV to music box over computer boxes, PC and Thunderbolt port as well as iPads and iPhone.

Will not buy devices without proper connectivity.

Yeah I'm not particularly interested in wireless headphones for music making either. OTOH I don't find the lack of an inbuilt headphone jack to be a big inconvenience.

mjm1138

@pax-eterna said:
Was thinking about this and wondering if Apple will authorise a duel USB-C/Thunderbolt adaptor? As there does not appear to be one that allows audio and a USB connection (as in the old CCK), and preferably with a charging port as well ,maybe dual port one might be the way to go?

How are others figuring out the lack of headphone jack?

It's the one thing stopping me from upgrading my iPads.

Hey, I actually came across something here: If you search for "JSAUX USB C to 3.5mm Headphone and Charger Adapter" on Amazon, there's a headphone adapter with a usb-c charging jack. I have the non-charging version of this DAC and it's pretty good. Will run happily at 96kHz/24 bit and has no problem powering my (low impedance) Senheisers. You'd still need something more like a USB-C/Thunderbolt dock if you want to plug in external USB stuff.

mistercharlie

Like @krassmann, I just keep a little dongle attached to my headphones.

I thought I was happy with that, but when I started using a Macbook again, having a headphone jack felt like a luxury. I’d love them to put it back on the iPad.

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sisterkate

I I just got the iPad mini 5 the last mini with headphone socket. But it’s not just us in music, lots of other people not happy because of headphones running out of juice or easily lost

sclurbs

The last ipad built with a headphone jack is the last ipad I will ever buy. Already bad enough I have to buy a freckin apple ipad to get into tablet music production smh

sclurbs

@krassmann said:
What’s the problem with the inexpensive but good Apple headphone dongle? I just keep it hanging on my headphones. At home I’m using my audio interface anyway. For off-grid setups with Midi gear I’m using a USB-C Hub with PD and a power bank.

Bro, literally everything. I lose my fucking glasses on my head whenever I read a damn book, you think I'm gonna be able to keep that god damn dongle anywhere near my ipad when I need to use it? Fuck no.

I don't understand the thought process of some people. It's like we were all going 'hey I've got this cool thing that requires no additional money to work proper and it is a universal standard, something is wrong' and then people like krassman come up to the scene and are all 'what the fuck no no no, why am I not spending over 30 dollars on a proprietary dongle that can break and be lost in order to do the same fucking thing it did before while also not being able to simultaneously charge my device?' and then most consumers just nod their heads and go 'yes, yes, I guess they're right lol'

i mean for fuck sake, when I first bought my Ipad it could power my midi controller just from the ipad. But after a pointless update that doesn't work anymore and now I also need to carry around a power bank and an additional cable along with the dongle. Like, I bought an ipad so it can fit in the pouch in my linnstrument handbag. The fact that I have to carry all this other unnecessary bullshit around really cramps that entire workflow

krassmann

@sclurbs said:

@krassmann said:
What’s the problem with the inexpensive but good Apple headphone dongle? I just keep it hanging on my headphones. At home I’m using my audio interface anyway. For off-grid setups with Midi gear I’m using a USB-C Hub with PD and a power bank.

Bro, literally everything. I lose my fucking glasses on my head whenever I read a damn book, you think I'm gonna be able to keep that god damn dongle anywhere near my ipad when I need to use it? Fuck no.

I don't understand the thought process of some people. It's like we were all going 'hey I've got this cool thing that requires no additional money to work proper and it is a universal standard, something is wrong' and then people like krassman come up to the scene and are all 'what the fuck no no no, why am I not spending over 30 dollars on a proprietary dongle that can break and be lost in order to do the same fucking thing it did before while also not being able to simultaneously charge my device?' and then most consumers just nod their heads and go 'yes, yes, I guess they're right lol'

i mean for fuck sake, when I first bought my Ipad it could power my midi controller just from the ipad. But after a pointless update that doesn't work anymore and now I also need to carry around a power bank and an additional cable along with the dongle. Like, I bought an ipad so it can fit in the pouch in my linnstrument handbag. The fact that I have to carry all this other unnecessary bullshit around really cramps that entire workflow

Jesus, mate calm down. It's USB-C. It can't be more standard and more universal than that. I find it a huge improvement over lightning. The Apple adapter costs just 10 not 30. I just tied it with a short rubber band to my headphone's jack not to loose it. Usually I just keep it plugged to my headphones. I simply bought an USB-C hub instead of a CCK plus an USB-A hub to connect my Midi gear - so what. For my daily usage it's no hassle at all unlike all the lightning stuff I used to have before. Now I actually have less stuff in my iPad pouch than before.

I know that many people hate Apple's decision but that's no reason to use such strong language and virtually shout at me.

NeonSilicon

Personally, I'm not going to buy anything from Apple until they put 1/4" jacks on them. All my headphones use 1/4" jacks and I hate having to use those 1/4" to 3.5mm dongle things.

supadom

@Pierre118 said:
I just sold my iPad Pro M1 with only USB-C and went back to a iPad Pro 10.5 with headphone jacket. Happy with it.

I’m still using 10.5 as a portable option and have pro 2020 hooked up to all my controllers.

I have the apple jack dongle for the latter but have to say I’ll miss the jack once 10.5 goes.

Shitty decision but goes without saying: once it’s gone, it’s gone.

gleandibson

@mjm1138 said:
They might bring back the headphone jack but I really wouldn't hold my breath (the headphone jack never went away from MacBooks, it just got upgraded in the latest MBPs).

For my M1 iPad, the answer is a Thunderbolt dock with an interface plugged into it driving the headphones, or a USB-C headphone dongle when I'm away from my desk. The dock also provides charging, Ethernet, and several ports of USB-C and USB-A. It was kind of expensive but it's very fast and very solid. No regrets.

What brand dock works well for you? Thinking about picking up one of those new Airs.

michael_m

I think I’m probably in a minority, but I don’t miss it at all. I have worked around it and don’t even think about it anymore.

I don’t think my life is more difficult without it, and I do think it’s a decision on their part that’s in line with how things will progress in hardware over time.

gleandibson

I still use an iPad Pro with a jack, but realized for watching movies and listening to music I tend to use BT, and then when doing production stuff I use an audio interface anyway, so I don't think I'll miss it all that much, either.

Lady_App_titude

Hmtx

@Lady_App_titude said: ⬆️

😂😂 that sums it up well

mjm1138

@gleandibson said:
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What brand dock works well for you? Thinking about picking up one of those new Airs.

Other World Computing. I have the “Thunderbolt Dock” and it’s great but I don’t know if the new Air has a thunderbolt port so it might be overkill. I do really like just having a single cable and no dongle to connect to all my gear plus power, and it’s nice that I can do the same with my Mac.

mjm1138

@michael_m said:
I think I’m probably in a minority, but I don’t miss it at all. I have worked around it and don’t even think about it anymore.

I don’t think my life is more difficult without it, and I do think it’s a decision on their part that’s in line with how things will progress in hardware over time.

My one and only gripe is it’s a little awkward to have the cable coming out of the bottom of the iPad. I miss the location of the headphone jack more than the jack itself 🤣

echoopera

I just don’t understand all these social media platforms.

Where have all the Bulletin Boards gone? I have a ton of LDS codes which work that i can use to this day 🙃

Nostalgia runs deep on this thread. If we only had some way to plug into this nostalgia 🤪

sclurbs

@krassmann said:

@sclurbs said:

@krassmann said:
What’s the problem with the inexpensive but good Apple headphone dongle? I just keep it hanging on my headphones. At home I’m using my audio interface anyway. For off-grid setups with Midi gear I’m using a USB-C Hub with PD and a power bank.

Bro, literally everything. I lose my fucking glasses on my head whenever I read a damn book, you think I'm gonna be able to keep that god damn dongle anywhere near my ipad when I need to use it? Fuck no.

I don't understand the thought process of some people. It's like we were all going 'hey I've got this cool thing that requires no additional money to work proper and it is a universal standard, something is wrong' and then people like krassman come up to the scene and are all 'what the fuck no no no, why am I not spending over 30 dollars on a proprietary dongle that can break and be lost in order to do the same fucking thing it did before while also not being able to simultaneously charge my device?' and then most consumers just nod their heads and go 'yes, yes, I guess they're right lol'

i mean for fuck sake, when I first bought my Ipad it could power my midi controller just from the ipad. But after a pointless update that doesn't work anymore and now I also need to carry around a power bank and an additional cable along with the dongle. Like, I bought an ipad so it can fit in the pouch in my linnstrument handbag. The fact that I have to carry all this other unnecessary bullshit around really cramps that entire workflow

Jesus, mate calm down. It's USB-C. It can't be more standard and more universal than that. I find it a huge improvement over lightning. The Apple adapter costs just 10 not 30. I just tied it with a short rubber band to my headphone's jack not to loose it. Usually I just keep it plugged to my headphones. I simply bought an USB-C hub instead of a CCK plus an USB-A hub to connect my Midi gear - so what. For my daily usage it's no hassle at all unlike all the lightning stuff I used to have before. Now I actually have less stuff in my iPad pouch than before.

I know that many people hate Apple's decision but that's no reason to use such strong language and virtually shout at me.

Aplogies mate, it's a just a really touchy subject for me. If my mother was on her deathbed and declared her support for the lack of a headphone jack, my brother would have to hold me back from unplugging her life support

Grandbear

@sclurbs said:
unplugging her life support

USB-C?

Artj

@sclurbs said:
If my mother was on her deathbed and declared her support for the lack of a headphone jack, my brother would have to hold me back from unplugging her life support

I almost drown in my coffee. I do feel your pain - I always lost every dongle myself.

krassmann

@sclurbs said:

@krassmann said:

@sclurbs said:

@krassmann said:
What’s the problem with the inexpensive but good Apple headphone dongle? I just keep it hanging on my headphones. At home I’m using my audio interface anyway. For off-grid setups with Midi gear I’m using a USB-C Hub with PD and a power bank.

Bro, literally everything. I lose my fucking glasses on my head whenever I read a damn book, you think I'm gonna be able to keep that god damn dongle anywhere near my ipad when I need to use it? Fuck no.

I don't understand the thought process of some people. It's like we were all going 'hey I've got this cool thing that requires no additional money to work proper and it is a universal standard, something is wrong' and then people like krassman come up to the scene and are all 'what the fuck no no no, why am I not spending over 30 dollars on a proprietary dongle that can break and be lost in order to do the same fucking thing it did before while also not being able to simultaneously charge my device?' and then most consumers just nod their heads and go 'yes, yes, I guess they're right lol'

i mean for fuck sake, when I first bought my Ipad it could power my midi controller just from the ipad. But after a pointless update that doesn't work anymore and now I also need to carry around a power bank and an additional cable along with the dongle. Like, I bought an ipad so it can fit in the pouch in my linnstrument handbag. The fact that I have to carry all this other unnecessary bullshit around really cramps that entire workflow

Jesus, mate calm down. It's USB-C. It can't be more standard and more universal than that. I find it a huge improvement over lightning. The Apple adapter costs just 10 not 30. I just tied it with a short rubber band to my headphone's jack not to loose it. Usually I just keep it plugged to my headphones. I simply bought an USB-C hub instead of a CCK plus an USB-A hub to connect my Midi gear - so what. For my daily usage it's no hassle at all unlike all the lightning stuff I used to have before. Now I actually have less stuff in my iPad pouch than before.

I know that many people hate Apple's decision but that's no reason to use such strong language and virtually shout at me.

Aplogies mate, it's a just a really touchy subject for me. If my mother was on her deathbed and declared her support for the lack of a headphone jack, my brother would have to hold me back from unplugging her life support

😅😅😅 Now that‘s a confession that made me laugh. Thanks for the apologies. I mean of course I agree that it would have been better to keep the jack. Moreover I think there was no engineering need to remove it because it isn‘t too big for the slim form factor of the devices. Anyway, I have less dongles with USB-C than with lightning. Of course that’s a personal view and it might be different for your usage.