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Senode - Graph Sequencer by Sebastian Arnold has been updated with auv3 support

https://apps.apple.com/app/id1298766877

Version 1.3.0:

  • added AUv3 MIDI plugin (available as in-app purchase)
  • improved MIDI timing accuracy
  • prevent hanging MIDI notes
  • various bug fixes and performance improvements
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  • edited March 2022

    I like it very much. When direct recoding, is there a way to capture the length of the note or do I have to set it manually after recording? Same question for velocity

  • edited March 2022

    So how do you get to the IAP? Ok found it top left blue dot! That was obvious!

  • edited March 2022

    Hit a blip! CPU overload! ![] iPad Pro 9.7 latest iPad OS. Nothing else running in AUM.

    (https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/p0/r1aq5yka7pha.png "")

  • edited March 2022

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Hit a blip! CPU overload! ![] iPad Pro 9.7 latest iPad OS. Nothing else running in AUM.

    (https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/p0/r1aq5yka7pha.png "")

    Wow - that's pretty massive. I only got to test the beta yesterday but didn't get anything like that high, though I'm on an 11 inch 3rd gen pro...Still around 30% with 4 audio channels (Factory, Phosphor3, Pure Piano and Kronecker) fed from Senode.

  • Great, this is unique sequencer. I hope he continues to refine it as the core of it is really good but it I have found setting it up quite a slow process.
    Must be a bug above because the app itself isn't CPU intensive. It measures on average around 0.4% on an ipad pro2 for me.

  • How much is IAP?

  • £3.49 in UK

  • edited March 2022

    @enkaytee said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Hit a blip! CPU overload! ![] iPad Pro 9.7 latest iPad OS. Nothing else running in AUM.

    (https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/p0/r1aq5yka7pha.png "")

    Wow - that's pretty massive. I only got to test the beta yesterday but didn't get anything like that high, though I'm on an 11 inch 3rd gen pro...Still around 30% with 4 audio channels (Factory, Phosphor3, Pure Piano and Kronecker) fed from Senode.

    @Jumpercollins AUM, Senode with chasing Edges preset, iSem. Did the same on a iPad Pro 10.5 (2017), DSP around 25%

  • @Pierre118 said:

    @enkaytee said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Hit a blip! CPU overload! ![] iPad Pro 9.7 latest iPad OS. Nothing else running in AUM.

    (https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/p0/r1aq5yka7pha.png "")

    Wow - that's pretty massive. I only got to test the beta yesterday but didn't get anything like that high, though I'm on an 11 inch 3rd gen pro...Still around 30% with 4 audio channels (Factory, Phosphor3, Pure Piano and Kronecker) fed from Senode.

    AUM, Senode with chasing Edges preset, iSem. Did the same on a iPad Pro 10.5 (2017), DSP around 25%

    @Pierre118 Yer I see now probably not the best of choices with that preset.working ok now with other AUs.

  • I could be wrong as I haven't done an exhaustive search of iOS sequencers but I do believe this is the only sequencer that allows a musician to "program" the conditional logic to create "guided serendipity". Yes, it is more labor-intensive as @Carnbot mentions, but this is exactly what makes this sequencer so unique and powerful. (I'm stepping around the question of whether the UX could be improved--it probably could but Sebastian is a one-man shop so I give him a pass on the UX stuff.) In most sequencers on iOS, the randomization or mutation functions feel more random than musical. Even the best ones, like Riffer, still produce as many misses as hits. As a musician, I often know the variation that I would add to a riff or sequence. For instance, if I'm playing a bass line and start on the root, I can predict given the chord shape whether the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th note will work as a second note, third note, etc. Senode is the only sequencer I know about on iOS that lets me "program" that variation--and of course, I can mess with my own overly prescriptive approach by drawing the edges/arrows in increasingly unpredictable ways. Anyway, super stoked that this one is finally AUv3! Hoping Sebastian can port it to iPhone here soon...

  • It's very methodical and probably does suit a mouse and keyboard rather than touch screen. But I'm very glad it exists. :)

    It's suits a modular environment. It's not the kind of app which you can just pick up and jam with quickly with a new patch like Euclidean sequencer. But once you've set up a variety of patches it's really good and it's deep for live generative stuff, especially as it's got live triggering. It's one which will grow with you and has lots of potential.

  • In terms of programming logic for sequencing, miRack is your best bet and can be as complex and flexible as needed. Never used the standalone even though I bought years ago, but looking forward to exploring this.

  • _ki_ki
    edited March 2022

    @Jumpercollins The dashed circle around the Senode App Icon indicate that there is a midi loop.
    That‘s probably causing the high DSP as Senode can trigger new output notes on midi input. That when fed back to Senodes input then in turn trigger even more output notes…

  • @auxmux said:
    In terms of programming logic for sequencing, miRack is your best bet and can be as complex and flexible as needed. Never used the standalone even though I bought years ago, but looking forward to exploring this.

    I find miRack to be inscrutable. Someday when I have the time I'll invest in understanding how it all works.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    Hit a blip! CPU overload! ![] iPad Pro 9.7 latest iPad OS. Nothing else running in AUM.

    Ironically having nothing else running might be the problem. It’s likely to do with iOS CPU throttling. Not sure why, maybe to do with the an app’s code framework and how that interacts with iOS, but some apps are more prone to CPU spike than others.

    BLEASS apps for example - if I run BLEASS Omega or Motion Tools in AUM with not much else, I get fairly regular CPU spikes, but if I add a few heavyweight plugins like FRMS or Moog Model 15 the problem disappears completely. If you still get spikes, add more apps and see if it evens out.

    This helps to even out the CPU load and prevent those sudden spikes in CPU demand. Worth a try?

  • Thanks for the IAP. This is sweet.

    One request wrt AUv3 that I don't see mentioned in this thread: Can your AUv3 expose some AUParameters?

    Note how Thesys and ZOA expose Parameters but Senode does not? Because of this, apeMatrix does not display a controller icon in the AUv3 frame.


  • @mojozart said:
    Thanks for the IAP. This is sweet.

    One request wrt AUv3 that I don't see mentioned in this thread: Can your AUv3 expose some AUParameters?

    Note how Thesys and ZOA expose Parameters but Senode does not? Because of this, apeMatrix does not display a controller icon in the AUv3 frame.


    I believe the AUv3 parameters have to be statically declared. This can be difficult for a modular app where the desired parameters vary with the configuration. For example, iFX Rack solves this by exposing all the parameters of all available modules, twice. This is a huge and unwieldy list, but that may be the only option for such a situation. Some apps manage this by offering a set of unassigned knobs as AUv3 parameters, then allowing the user to map those knobs to parameters inside the app. This double-step is not great either, but at least it's more wieldy.

    (Why are you describing apeMatrix with an AUM screenshot?)

  • edited March 2022

    I was using an AUM screenshot to show a comparison with Thesys and ZOA; there is nothing to show in apeMatrix :'(

    I encourage you to expose some params if you can do it in a reasonable way. It unlocks more fun.

  • No way. This is one of the apps I kind of kept an eye on for a long time but never went for because it wasn’t AU. Dope.

  • @_ki said:
    @Jumpercollins The dashed circle around the Senode App Icon indicate that there is a midi loop.
    That‘s probably causing the high DSP as Senode can trigger new output notes on midi input. That when fed back to Senodes input then in turn trigger even more output notes…

    This^

    Most likely you have Senode selected as a midi input for itself. I don't see any other possible explanation for that screenshot, and it would very likely cause the behavior you see.

  • Hi everyone, I'm glad you like the update :-)

    @wim said:

    @_ki said:
    @Jumpercollins The dashed circle around the Senode App Icon indicate that there is a midi loop.
    That‘s probably causing the high DSP as Senode can trigger new output notes on midi input. That when fed back to Senodes input then in turn trigger even more output notes…

    This^

    Most likely you have Senode selected as a midi input for itself. I don't see any other possible explanation for that screenshot, and it would very likely cause the behavior you see.

    Indeed that seems to be the reason for the high CPU usage: if you create an endless MIDI loop the plugin will get overloaded. I'm able to reproduce this here and there will be a fix in the next release. In the meantime, please avoid connecting Senode to itself, or – if you really need it – use a different MIDI cannel as output than the keyboard input channel.

    Best,
    Sebastian

  • love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

  • @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    That’s exactly how the emitters work! You can sync the emitters to the host transport of course but it’s very easy to set a MIDI note to trigger the sequence. Great for live stuff!

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    That’s exactly how the emitters work! You can sync the emitters to the host transport of course but it’s very easy to set a MIDI note to trigger the sequence. Great for live stuff!

    really? that’s awesome. does the sequence shift the pitch of the midi key being pressed? or is it just a trigger?

  • edited March 2022

    @eross said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    That’s exactly how the emitters work! You can sync the emitters to the host transport of course but it’s very easy to set a MIDI note to trigger the sequence. Great for live stuff!

    really? that’s awesome. does the sequence shift the pitch of the midi key being pressed? or is it just a trigger?

    No, it doesn't work like StepPolyArp, for instance. You can leave a node "blank" and not assign a note and then it'll simply play the note you hit on your controller. But the majority of use cases will probably trigger a set sequence of pre-arranged notes. The cool thing about the emitters is that you can hit a note to set them in motion, you can step through them by repeating the same note, etc. They are very flexible.

    You should check out Sebastian's Youtube videos (Sebastian Arnold) as he plays the drums to trigger elaborate synth sequences. Very cool stuff.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @eross said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    That’s exactly how the emitters work! You can sync the emitters to the host transport of course but it’s very easy to set a MIDI note to trigger the sequence. Great for live stuff!

    really? that’s awesome. does the sequence shift the pitch of the midi key being pressed? or is it just a trigger?

    No, it doesn't work like StepPolyArp, for instance. You can leave a node "blank" and not assign a note and then it'll simply play the note you hit on your controller. But the majority of use cases will probably trigger a set sequence of pre-arranged notes. The cool thing about the emitters is that you can hit a note to set them in motion, you can step through them by repeating the same note, etc. They are very flexible.

    You should check out Sebastian's Youtube videos (Sebastian Arnold) as he plays the drums to trigger elaborate synth sequences. Very cool stuff.

    thanks, that sounds cool
    i’m gonna watch those videos
    i like the idea of triggering sequences like that. i

  • @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    I'm currently working on an Arp mode which does exactly that, and it changes the transpose based on the MIDI input pitch. Should not take me as long as the AUv3 implementation did ;-)

  • @sebastianarnold said:

    @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    I'm currently working on an Arp mode which does exactly that, and it changes the transpose based on the MIDI input pitch. Should not take me as long as the AUv3 implementation did ;-)

    aghhhhh that is the best news!! i can’t wait

  • @sebastianarnold said:
    I'm currently working on an Arp mode which does exactly that, and it changes the transpose based on the MIDI input pitch. Should not take me as long as the AUv3 implementation did ;-)

    Nice! I was thinking last night how nice something like that would be.

    Senode is now far and above my favorite "semi generative" sequencer, bar none. I had always thought so, but didn't often use it as just a standalone app. Now, I wonder if I'll often use anything else. Thanks for making the AUv3 IAP so reasonably priced too. I know it in no way reflects the amount of work that this must have taken to do.

  • @sebastianarnold said:

    @eross said:
    love the au expansion. does anyone know. would it be possible to use this like an arppegiator and have it play a sequence every time you press a midi key input ? that could be really cool

    I'm currently working on an Arp mode which does exactly that, and it changes the transpose based on the MIDI input pitch. Should not take me as long as the AUv3 implementation did ;-)

    Wow, this will be so great! Godspeed!

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