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"A.I." (Machine Learning Algorithms) To Generate Art

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  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska
    edited August 2022

    Even Cthulhu has to send out for groceries, right? Persons of gender and none, I give you Wombo’s “Lovecraftian shopping trolley of Doom.”

  • MrStochasticMrStochastic

    @Svetlovska said:
    Even Cthulhu has to send out for groceries, right? Persons of gender and none, I give you Wombo’s “Lovecraftian shopping trolley of Doom.”

    Even Cthulhu runs out of toilet paper.

  • MrStochasticMrStochastic

    @echoopera said:
    Another 5 pager for you to ponder 👊🏼™️

    When will you add the music?

  • robosardinerobosardine

    @NeuM said:
    And I’ll make a prediction on machine learning systems in music: I predict we will see at least one “top 10” hit written and performed by one of these systems within the next 5-6 years on the music charts. Possibly sooner.

    Do you think you will like it/them?

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited August 2022

    @Svetlovska said:
    Even Cthulhu has to send out for groceries, right? Persons of gender and none, I give you Wombo’s “Lovecraftian shopping trolley of Doom.”

    You can see how quickly the software has improved on Wombo with the newer iterations. More detail, more realism, more coherence in the images in the DALL-E software. Probably in one or two more iterations the software will be able to create images indistinguishable from the real thing. We’re already at a point where these machine learning systems could fool 90% of the people if images are only casually viewed.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited August 2022

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited August 2022

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    People have been talking about 'prompt nesting' of sorts so that you can define a character through a prompt, give them a name and then when you type that name it references the character prompt you created. That would go a long way towards this.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    People have been talking about 'prompt nesting' of sorts so that you can define a character through a prompt, give them a name and then when you type that name it references the character prompt you created. That would go a long way towards this.

    To quote Mr. Spock…“Fascinating!”

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    It’s all very cool and ingenious, but still definitely a a substrate, of the creativity of humanity.

  • KrupaKrupa

    Ook, that Midjourney thing is addictive, I could get used to this sort of thing for work, finally I can be the lead singer and just tell the stupid machine what I want and it'll do all the gnarly things that make my eyes bleed :smiley:

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited August 2022

    No music tonight, but i am enjoying the rhythm of creating these🙏🏼💕







    You can grab the .pdf here as well:
    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0f1xmjtjj7Pqy4UTkL5qcxpog#Passages

  • KrupaKrupa

    That’s lovely @echoopera , I presume you’ve subbed to one of the packages to produce so much?

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Krupa said:
    That’s lovely @echoopera , I presume you’ve subbed to one of the packages to produce so much?

    Thank you. Yep. I want to see what it can do. I really am amazed by what it creates. It’s truly mind blowing.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @echoopera said:

    @Krupa said:
    That’s lovely @echoopera , I presume you’ve subbed to one of the packages to produce so much?

    Thank you. Yep. I want to see what it can do. I really am amazed by what it creates. It’s truly mind blowing.

    If we hadn’t already concepted this job I’m on now, I’d use it next week - it did what I was after immediately, I wonder if they can get it to spit out layered psds 😅

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited August 2022

    @Krupa said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Krupa said:
    That’s lovely @echoopera , I presume you’ve subbed to one of the packages to produce so much?

    Thank you. Yep. I want to see what it can do. I really am amazed by what it creates. It’s truly mind blowing.

    If we hadn’t already concepted this job I’m on now, I’d use it next week - it did what I was after immediately, I wonder if they can get it to spit out layered psds 😅

    That is what i am hoping. It’s doing compositing as it is…so give us the layers and depth maps already 🤪

    I want these layers:

  • KrupaKrupa

    @echoopera said:

    @Krupa said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Krupa said:
    That’s lovely @echoopera , I presume you’ve subbed to one of the packages to produce so much?

    Thank you. Yep. I want to see what it can do. I really am amazed by what it creates. It’s truly mind blowing.

    If we hadn’t already concepted this job I’m on now, I’d use it next week - it did what I was after immediately, I wonder if they can get it to spit out layered psds 😅

    That is what i am hoping. It’s doing compositing as it is…so give us the layers and depth maps already 🤪

    I want these layers:

    Yeah, textured meshes too 🙀😁

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska

    Oh, I like that! Makes me want to dust off a card game invention of mine which stalled at the artwork stage since I can’t draw to save my life.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    I think this is the problem I have with this stuff.

    I 'follow' a lad named Steve McDonald (not that one) on the Instagram. He seems to produce a whole graphic novel's worth of artwork every few days, and while I really enjoy looking at them - they're not as intellectually satisfying as looking at a similar genre piece by say, Alan Lee, an actual illustrator.

    Most of the AI stuff I've seen comes across as someone's idea of what illustration is.

    When I was a kid, before I could read and write I'd fill lined exercise books with scribbles (some would say I still do!), my idea of what writing was. An approximation. And I've actually seen this in some of the AI work - 'pretend' writing, accompanying pretend flowers, chopped up faces etc. So while a lot of this stuff looks really pretty - maybe not the chopped up faces - it's not really telling me anything. There's no proper narrative or structure. Valium induced nightmares.

    "An illustration is a decoration, interpretation or visual explanation of a text, concept or process, designed for integration in print and digital published media"

    I trained as an illustrator, and years ago did a fair amount of book work. And while it sounds like a nice way to make a living, it really wasn't. You're given a strict brief, which they then obviously change several times, and there was pretty much no option for personal interpretation. It's a job, and you provide a service, and a product. Obviously some lucky buggers get paid work where they can be properly creative, but they're scarcer that hens teeth.

    Where I can see this stuff being actually useful, after the excitement has worn off and the hipsters are fed up with mutant flowers with lips and old bicycle wheels coming out of them, is for illustrators to take inspiration, and bits from the AI stuff to use in commissions. Build up a library of old wheels and flowers with noses, just in case a publisher has a book coming out that requires old wheels and flowery noses in an apocalyptic, acid induced breakdown stylee. But with proper writing.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    I think this is the problem I have with this stuff.

    I 'follow' a lad named Steve McDonald (not that one) on the Instagram. He seems to produce a whole graphic novel's worth of artwork every few days, and while I really enjoy looking at them - they're not as intellectually satisfying as looking at a similar genre piece by say, Alan Lee, an actual illustrator.

    Most of the AI stuff I've seen comes across as someone's idea of what illustration is.

    When I was a kid, before I could read and write I'd fill lined exercise books with scribbles (some would say I still do!), my idea of what writing was. An approximation. And I've actually seen this in some of the AI work - 'pretend' writing, accompanying pretend flowers, chopped up faces etc. So while a lot of this stuff looks really pretty - maybe not the chopped up faces - it's not really telling me anything. There's no proper narrative or structure. Valium induced nightmares.

    "An illustration is a decoration, interpretation or visual explanation of a text, concept or process, designed for integration in print and digital published media"

    I trained as an illustrator, and years ago did a fair amount of book work. And while it sounds like a nice way to make a living, it really wasn't. You're given a strict brief, which they then obviously change several times, and there was pretty much no option for personal interpretation. It's a job, and you provide a service, and a product. Obviously some lucky buggers get paid work where they can be properly creative, but they're scarcer that hens teeth.

    Where I can see this stuff being actually useful, after the excitement has worn off and the hipsters are fed up with mutant flowers with lips and old bicycle wheels coming out of them, is for illustrators to take inspiration, and bits from the AI stuff to use in commissions. Build up a library of old wheels and flowers with noses, just in case a publisher has a book coming out that requires old wheels and flowery noses in an apocalyptic, acid induced breakdown stylee. But with proper writing.

    Yeah, this is the possibility I’m seeing; commercial art production made easy - when there’s no artist’s soul to destroy reinterpreting briefs to a clients whim and mood, it’ll be a much more simple process for all… though I do like what echo opera is getting to with his comic book stuff - narrative poetry made visual…

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Krupa said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    I think this is the problem I have with this stuff.

    I 'follow' a lad named Steve McDonald (not that one) on the Instagram. He seems to produce a whole graphic novel's worth of artwork every few days, and while I really enjoy looking at them - they're not as intellectually satisfying as looking at a similar genre piece by say, Alan Lee, an actual illustrator.

    Most of the AI stuff I've seen comes across as someone's idea of what illustration is.

    When I was a kid, before I could read and write I'd fill lined exercise books with scribbles (some would say I still do!), my idea of what writing was. An approximation. And I've actually seen this in some of the AI work - 'pretend' writing, accompanying pretend flowers, chopped up faces etc. So while a lot of this stuff looks really pretty - maybe not the chopped up faces - it's not really telling me anything. There's no proper narrative or structure. Valium induced nightmares.

    "An illustration is a decoration, interpretation or visual explanation of a text, concept or process, designed for integration in print and digital published media"

    I trained as an illustrator, and years ago did a fair amount of book work. And while it sounds like a nice way to make a living, it really wasn't. You're given a strict brief, which they then obviously change several times, and there was pretty much no option for personal interpretation. It's a job, and you provide a service, and a product. Obviously some lucky buggers get paid work where they can be properly creative, but they're scarcer that hens teeth.

    Where I can see this stuff being actually useful, after the excitement has worn off and the hipsters are fed up with mutant flowers with lips and old bicycle wheels coming out of them, is for illustrators to take inspiration, and bits from the AI stuff to use in commissions. Build up a library of old wheels and flowers with noses, just in case a publisher has a book coming out that requires old wheels and flowery noses in an apocalyptic, acid induced breakdown stylee. But with proper writing.

    Yeah, this is the possibility I’m seeing; commercial art production made easy - when there’s no artist’s soul to destroy reinterpreting briefs to a clients whim and mood, it’ll be a much more simple process for all… though I do like what echo opera is getting to with his comic book stuff - narrative poetry made visual…

    Yeah I do, as with Steve McDonalds. But I wonder how long it'll hold my attention once the 'wow, look at that!' factor has worn off, and how in the world of commercially contracted illustration it'll actually enable the programmer to make money from it. Vanity publishing, cards, prints I guess, until someone makes an app so mom dad buddy and sis can do their own.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @monz0id said:

    @Krupa said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    I think this is the problem I have with this stuff.

    I 'follow' a lad named Steve McDonald (not that one) on the Instagram. He seems to produce a whole graphic novel's worth of artwork every few days, and while I really enjoy looking at them - they're not as intellectually satisfying as looking at a similar genre piece by say, Alan Lee, an actual illustrator.

    Most of the AI stuff I've seen comes across as someone's idea of what illustration is.

    When I was a kid, before I could read and write I'd fill lined exercise books with scribbles (some would say I still do!), my idea of what writing was. An approximation. And I've actually seen this in some of the AI work - 'pretend' writing, accompanying pretend flowers, chopped up faces etc. So while a lot of this stuff looks really pretty - maybe not the chopped up faces - it's not really telling me anything. There's no proper narrative or structure. Valium induced nightmares.

    "An illustration is a decoration, interpretation or visual explanation of a text, concept or process, designed for integration in print and digital published media"

    I trained as an illustrator, and years ago did a fair amount of book work. And while it sounds like a nice way to make a living, it really wasn't. You're given a strict brief, which they then obviously change several times, and there was pretty much no option for personal interpretation. It's a job, and you provide a service, and a product. Obviously some lucky buggers get paid work where they can be properly creative, but they're scarcer that hens teeth.

    Where I can see this stuff being actually useful, after the excitement has worn off and the hipsters are fed up with mutant flowers with lips and old bicycle wheels coming out of them, is for illustrators to take inspiration, and bits from the AI stuff to use in commissions. Build up a library of old wheels and flowers with noses, just in case a publisher has a book coming out that requires old wheels and flowery noses in an apocalyptic, acid induced breakdown stylee. But with proper writing.

    Yeah, this is the possibility I’m seeing; commercial art production made easy - when there’s no artist’s soul to destroy reinterpreting briefs to a clients whim and mood, it’ll be a much more simple process for all… though I do like what echo opera is getting to with his comic book stuff - narrative poetry made visual…

    Yeah I do, as with Steve McDonalds. But I wonder how long it'll hold my attention once the 'wow, look at that!' factor has worn off, and how in the world of commercially contracted illustration it'll actually enable the programmer to make money from it. Vanity publishing, cards, prints I guess, until someone makes an app so mom dad buddy and sis can do their own.

    I’ve long thought Adobe will release a ‘producer’ edition that’s basically just a straight up replacement for we creatives; they’ll just sit back in their fancy Harmon Millar seats, stroke their pointy wee beards and pontificate into their Bluetooth headset what they want. Adobe will vision it and render a dozen versions and they’ll reject each one, until it makes what they want. We’ll all be out of work, but maybe do more art for ourselves…

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited August 2022

    @Krupa said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Krupa said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    @echoopera : stunning! I think if I was a conventional comic book or commercial illustrator right now, I’d be very, very concerned.

    I think comic book artists who embrace this will be able to just produce more epic tales. There is a lot to story telling that this kind of AI won't hit but if they can kick out more raw pictures to manipulate and use then the story telling potential is huge. Now that a lot people read digitally and hosting is not expensive, seems like a great evolution of the medium.

    I’d like to see someone give a go at reproducing a series of existing comic book panels and an existing storyline to see if a coherent visual narrative can be maintained by the system in a ‘comic book production’-style workflow. Because a series of panels can be beautiful all by themself, but in a purposeful narrative it might be more difficult to maintain.

    I think this is the problem I have with this stuff.

    I 'follow' a lad named Steve McDonald (not that one) on the Instagram. He seems to produce a whole graphic novel's worth of artwork every few days, and while I really enjoy looking at them - they're not as intellectually satisfying as looking at a similar genre piece by say, Alan Lee, an actual illustrator.

    Most of the AI stuff I've seen comes across as someone's idea of what illustration is.

    When I was a kid, before I could read and write I'd fill lined exercise books with scribbles (some would say I still do!), my idea of what writing was. An approximation. And I've actually seen this in some of the AI work - 'pretend' writing, accompanying pretend flowers, chopped up faces etc. So while a lot of this stuff looks really pretty - maybe not the chopped up faces - it's not really telling me anything. There's no proper narrative or structure. Valium induced nightmares.

    "An illustration is a decoration, interpretation or visual explanation of a text, concept or process, designed for integration in print and digital published media"

    I trained as an illustrator, and years ago did a fair amount of book work. And while it sounds like a nice way to make a living, it really wasn't. You're given a strict brief, which they then obviously change several times, and there was pretty much no option for personal interpretation. It's a job, and you provide a service, and a product. Obviously some lucky buggers get paid work where they can be properly creative, but they're scarcer that hens teeth.

    Where I can see this stuff being actually useful, after the excitement has worn off and the hipsters are fed up with mutant flowers with lips and old bicycle wheels coming out of them, is for illustrators to take inspiration, and bits from the AI stuff to use in commissions. Build up a library of old wheels and flowers with noses, just in case a publisher has a book coming out that requires old wheels and flowery noses in an apocalyptic, acid induced breakdown stylee. But with proper writing.

    Yeah, this is the possibility I’m seeing; commercial art production made easy - when there’s no artist’s soul to destroy reinterpreting briefs to a clients whim and mood, it’ll be a much more simple process for all… though I do like what echo opera is getting to with his comic book stuff - narrative poetry made visual…

    Yeah I do, as with Steve McDonalds. But I wonder how long it'll hold my attention once the 'wow, look at that!' factor has worn off, and how in the world of commercially contracted illustration it'll actually enable the programmer to make money from it. Vanity publishing, cards, prints I guess, until someone makes an app so mom dad buddy and sis can do their own.

    I’ve long thought Adobe will release a ‘producer’ edition that’s basically just a straight up replacement for we creatives; they’ll just sit back in their fancy Harmon Millar seats, stroke their pointy wee beards and pontificate into their Bluetooth headset what they want. Adobe will vision it and render a dozen versions and they’ll reject each one, until it makes what they want. We’ll all be out of work, but maybe do more art for ourselves…

    Yeah.

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited August 2022

    I just look at this AI generated work the same way i look at Samples and Synth patches.

    It’s what you do with it that makes it something to enjoy.

    I have no idea where it will evolve to, but I’m curious and interested in it enough to use it to fulfill my creative intentions.

    Is it Art? I don’t know. It does look beautiful, sausage fingers and third eyes and all.

    As any new disruptive technology comes to the stage and potentially sideswipes established industries, it’s up to those who see the potential of the tech to show glimpses of what is possible. I am but a flame in the larger fire which is now building around this sector. I’m choosing to build a furnace now in order to capture some of this Promethean fire we are all witness to.

    If you all enjoy these Comic postings please let me know, otherwise i can just find another place to post them, and just stick to posting music from Samples and Patches and generative whispers of my spirit computer animal.

    Cheers from the Robot Future:

  • NeuMNeuM

    Don’t worry about it, @echoopera. Keep posting stuff and keep finding new ways to do something creative with these fascinating visuals. This is a new way to do something it used to take hours, days or weeks to do and I like seeing how it’s changing how people are interacting with machine learning systems.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @echoopera said:
    I just look at this AI generated work the same way i look at Samples and Synth patches.

    It’s what you do with it that makes it something to enjoy.

    That is exactly how I have been seeing and using this stuff. It is all sample fodder. The more skills and ambition an artist has to work with it the more they bring to the work.

    BTW, here is the Stable Diffusion audio side. "Generate your own custom infinite sound libraries"

    Have not tried it and no idea how good it is but I did hear a couple examples and do want in.

    https://www.harmonai.org/

  • david_2017david_2017

    wow this mid journey thing is absolutely magnificent. to anyone who is running the 10$ plan. I think its 200 pieces per month... is this more than enough? we were thinking of getting the first Tier and have a lot of fun, but I have seconds thoughts about 200 requests ;)

    special thanks to @echoopera who crossposted his creations on twitter, leading me to this thread haha thanks mate!

  • KrupaKrupa

    @echoopera i love what you’re doing with it, like you say, it’s all about the choices you make…keep it up!

  • echooperaechoopera

    Thanks @david_2017 @Krupa Appreciate the feedback and discussion.
    After a busy Sunday of house chores and kid time…time to fire up the furnace 👊🏼™️





  • auxmuxauxmux
    edited August 2022

    @david_2017 said:
    wow this mid journey thing is absolutely magnificent. to anyone who is running the 10$ plan. I think its 200 pieces per month... is this more than enough? we were thinking of getting the first Tier and have a lot of fun, but I have seconds thoughts about 200 requests ;)

    special thanks to @echoopera who crossposted his creations on twitter, leading me to this thread haha thanks mate!

    I ran out of 200 pretty fast. I upgraded to Standard for now, while I'm having fun with this.

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