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"A.I." (Machine Learning Algorithms) To Generate Art

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  • edited August 2022

    @knewspeak said:
    Has an AI critique been created yet>

    @lasselu posted a link, I think journalists are starting to catch up: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/20/ai-art-artificial-intelligence-midjourney-dall-e-replacing-artists

    I guess at some point, AI will be writing its own reviews and critiquing itself, ouroboros style.

  • @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Has an AI critique been created yet>

    @lasselu posted a link, I think journalists are starting to catch up: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/20/ai-art-artificial-intelligence-midjourney-dall-e-replacing-artists

    I guess at some point, AI will be writing its own reviews and critiquing itself, ouroboros style.

    It’ll be stuck framed within it’s own perfect existence, an endless hall of mirrors. The scary part is if/when we allow it to create/recreate itself, I don’t think it need’s consciousness for that, then it’s progress could be at such a pace, we would find quite bewildering. It may then stop being a tool of our design.

  • edited August 2022

    my stable diffusion made images today.
    old trees and birds.
    enjoy!

    you can follow me on twitter for more.
    https://twitter.com/waka_x










  • and more from me.
    a study of dead wooden birds...










  • Art is dead.
    Story is King.
    Long live Art!!!

  • edited August 2022

    @knewspeak said:

    It’ll be stuck framed within it’s own perfect existence, an endless hall of mirrors. The scary part is if/when we allow it to create/recreate itself, I don’t think it need’s consciousness for that, then it’s progress could be at such a pace, we would find quite bewildering. It may then stop being a tool of our design.

    Once actual artists and photographers get fed up with their images being used without permission and take them offline, and there's nothing left for the AI scripts to scrape except themselves, we'll have endless, mutated, soulless nightmares to look at, illegible 'stories' to read, with random, self-generated blips to accompany them (though admittedly I like that bit).

    Creativity is dead.
    Passion has been suspended.
    Long live entropy!!!

  • edited August 2022

    Anything that can be digitized will be digitized. Welcome to the new reality.

  • “There is nothing to fear but fear itself.”

    Humanity has always feared that which is new and disruptive. Don’t play the victim. Learn to surf the wave before you or you’ll be destined to sit on the sidelines complaining why people should not be surfing.

    Grab a board!

    Kowabunga! The water is fine!

  • @NeuM said:
    Anything that can be digitized will be digitized. Welcome to the new reality.

    Facsimiles of facsimiles isn’t a reality, it’s about as far removed from it as you can get, at least with a drug induced delusion you still have the essence of humanity, without human input these digital creations would leave our concepts behind, meaningless to us and the machines that created them too.

  • I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

  • @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Maybe the earth’s flat blah, blah, blah I’ve heard this kind of argument, no as long as it remains a tool of human creativity it’s fine, but will it, creating something based on pure logic may very well decide we are illogical and therefore obsolete and art with it.

  • @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Why? It's been quite a useful invention for authors, so I've been told.

  • edited August 2022

    @knewspeak said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Maybe the earth’s flat blah, blah, blah I’ve heard this kind of argument, no as long as it remains a tool of human creativity it’s fine, but will it, creating something based on pure logic may very well decide we are illogical and therefore obsolete and art with it.

    Remains to be seen, and who knows when/if that happens. It's based on human input and programming tho and it isn't creating on its own, not yet anyhow. Same could be said for apps or sequencers.

  • @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Why? It's been quite a useful invention for authors, so I've been told.

    Because it made the replication of knowledge too easy and for the masses. 😄

  • @auxmux said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Maybe the earth’s flat blah, blah, blah I’ve heard this kind of argument, no as long as it remains a tool of human creativity it’s fine, but will it, creating something based on pure logic may very well decide we are illogical and therefore obsolete and art with it.

    Remains to be seen, and who knows when/if that happens.

    This is in essence the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

    Our finest technology is derived from weapons we have used to kill one another, such is our intelligence.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @auxmux said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Maybe the earth’s flat blah, blah, blah I’ve heard this kind of argument, no as long as it remains a tool of human creativity it’s fine, but will it, creating something based on pure logic may very well decide we are illogical and therefore obsolete and art with it.

    Remains to be seen, and who knows when/if that happens.

    This is in essence the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

    Our finest technology is derived from weapons we have used to kill one another, such is our intelligence.

    No questioning that, but not using what's available to us is an unneeded self-limitation. Those in power will always do that as they have always, but that's far removed from this topic.

  • edited August 2022

    @auxmux said:

    @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Why? It's been quite a useful invention for authors, so I've been told.

    Because it made the replication of knowledge too easy and for the masses. 😄

    Knowledge, generally, is a good thing. Creativity and passion is a good thing.

    Typing some words into a piece of software that scrapes existing artists and photographers work without permission, and passes off the results as art or illustration, is not a good thing.

    Because ultimately it can destroy the livelihoods of the actual professionals who created the original work that's being scraped, they'll have to stop doing it, and then all we'll have to look at is random, soulless wallpaper.

    But hey, surf the wave, man.

  • @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:

    @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Why? It's been quite a useful invention for authors, so I've been told.

    Because it made the replication of knowledge too easy and for the masses. 😄

    Knowledge, generally, is a good thing. Creativity and passion is a good thing.

    Typing some words into a piece of software that scrapes existing artists and photographers work without permission, and passes off the results as art or illustration, is not a good thing.

    Because ultimately it can destroy the livelihoods of the actual professionals who created the original work that's being scraped, they'll have to stop doing it, and then all we'll have to look at is random, soulless wallpaper.

    But hey, surf the wave, man.

    Agreed, I think the power is actually taking it and making something else. It's visual remixing, it's fun. The best stuff out there is actually pushing this further. TBD of how good or useful it is ultimately.

  • @auxmux said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @auxmux said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Maybe the earth’s flat blah, blah, blah I’ve heard this kind of argument, no as long as it remains a tool of human creativity it’s fine, but will it, creating something based on pure logic may very well decide we are illogical and therefore obsolete and art with it.

    Remains to be seen, and who knows when/if that happens.

    This is in essence the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

    Our finest technology is derived from weapons we have used to kill one another, such is our intelligence.

    No questioning that, but not using what's available to us is an unneeded self-limitation. Those in power will always do that as they have always, but that's far removed from this topic.

    True it is far removed, but sometimes it’s better to take stock and ask a simple question, will this make us happier.

  • Nope, nothing does. Brief contentment is what anyone can ever hope for.

  • @auxmux said:

    @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:

    @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Why? It's been quite a useful invention for authors, so I've been told.

    Because it made the replication of knowledge too easy and for the masses. 😄

    Knowledge, generally, is a good thing. Creativity and passion is a good thing.

    Typing some words into a piece of software that scrapes existing artists and photographers work without permission, and passes off the results as art or illustration, is not a good thing.

    Because ultimately it can destroy the livelihoods of the actual professionals who created the original work that's being scraped, they'll have to stop doing it, and then all we'll have to look at is random, soulless wallpaper.

    But hey, surf the wave, man.

    Agreed, I think the power is actually taking it and making something else. It's visual remixing, it's fun. The best stuff out there is actually pushing this further. TBD of how good or useful it is ultimately.

    Not so much fun for some professional artists and illustrators, where the genre they've worked so hard to be part of is most likely now flooded with scraped, knocked-out derivatives of their work. But hopefully the fad will eventually run out of steam, and they'll be able to find a way to include auto-generated stuff in a more constructive, and creative way in their work.

  • edited August 2022

    This really isn't much different than Sample + Loop Libraries and Stock Illustration Libraries if you examine it through the lens of different industries.

    IMHO, Quality and Novelty will always rise to the surface in a sea of sameness. We're just experiencing the rushing in of the Tides from different seas...just breathe, grab you board, and read the waves...read the waves and step in to flow.

    Having used MJ for the last week, I've arrived at a handful of new and novel uses for the tech, which I am sharing here and will be sharing more of in the coming weeks. Honestly, as a visual artist, it's been an invigorating experience using these tools.

    It reminds me a lot of the first time I used Generative midi processors on iOS and how it up'd my game in music making by taking me to all new places I didn't even know existed.

  • @echoopera said:
    This really isn't much different than Sample + Loop Libraries and Stock Illustration Libraries if you examine it through the lens of different industries.

    IMHO, Quality and Novelty will always rise to the surface in a sea of sameness. We're just experiencing the rushing in of the Tides from different seas...just breathe, grab you board, and read the waves...read the waves and step in to flow.

    Having used MJ for the last week, I've arrived at a handful of new and novel uses for the tech, which I am sharing here and will be sharing more of in the coming weeks. Honestly, as a visual artist, it's been an invigorating experience using these tools.

    It reminds me a lot of the first time I used Generative midi processors on iOS and how it up'd my game in music making by taking me to all new places I didn't even know existed.

    I’d disagree about the comparison with sample and loop libraries in regards to how they were created, the use could be similar though, it’s a tool of creativity at the moment, but it’s derived not from it’s own creativity, but from that of other’s, so who owns it’s intellectual produce?

  • wimwim
    edited August 2022

    @knewspeak said:
    ... but it’s derived not from it’s own creativity, but from that of other’s, so who owns it’s intellectual produce?

    All music is derived from what came before, yet we don't concern ourselves with that unless it's a direct copy.

  • @echoopera said:
    This really isn't much different than Sample + Loop Libraries and Stock Illustration Libraries if you examine it through the lens of different industries.

    It's completely different. Use of content for sample and image libraries is provided via specific terms of usage, and may be free, free with credit, or paid - where the original artist receives a percentage of the fee.

  • stablediffusion

    Follies of Baroque - an AI study by yours truly.





























  • edited August 2022

    @waka_x said:

    stablediffusion

    Follies of Baroque - an AI study by yours truly.

    Yeesh...Harkonnen Nightmares or Dreams is more like it :smile:

  • edited August 2022

    Another book creation based on an idea spawned from the system:

    link to complete .PDF:
    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/088oHkJU8pD5cBsS4M-cfzHGg#angelic_anatomy

  • edited August 2022

    @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:

    @monz0id said:

    @auxmux said:
    I guess we should've stopped at the printing press too.

    Why? It's been quite a useful invention for authors, so I've been told.

    Because it made the replication of knowledge too easy and for the masses. 😄

    Knowledge, generally, is a good thing. Creativity and passion is a good thing.

    Typing some words into a piece of software that scrapes existing artists and photographers work without permission, and passes off the results as art or illustration, is not a good thing.

    Because ultimately it can destroy the livelihoods of the actual professionals who created the original work that's being scraped, they'll have to stop doing it, and then all we'll have to look at is random, soulless wallpaper.

    But hey, surf the wave, man.

    I get what you are saying but that isn't really how this works. When you type a prompt in, the AI does not go to the internet looking for images. You can actually run this stuff locally offline. If you are interested there are a bunch of videos that describe diffusion rendering and how datasets are made and what latent space is etc. It is not like a database of images that are then copy/pasted/rearranged. It is more like how a person can learn what something looks like and has the skill to reproduce it, but obviously that is not required for a person to use this.

    But yah, nerd stuff aside, this will dramatically impact a lot of livelihoods and unfortunately some people will not be able to adapt or may essentially be edged out in part by their own work having been machine learned from.

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