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APP STORE PROTEST (yes, all caps)

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  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    I like where your heads at but I doubt we would be able to put a dent in any decision making.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    To be honest I think it’s such a small proportion of App Store sales and revenue that it will probably go unnoticed. Besides, how would Apple know the reason for a small uptick in sales of specific apps?

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    Your heart's in the right place, but I honestly don't think Apple would give a shit about a small increase in sales for specific apps like @michael_m said. I mean they removed headphone jacks from everything despite users protesting against said removal. 🤷

  • wimwim
    edited April 2022

    Sorry to be negative right out of the gate, but music app revenue is too small a percentage of App Store revenue for Apple to ever notice the effort.

    If it makes people feel better to vent online and rewards developers, that's a good thing though. 👍🏼

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  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    Since we don't know Apple's criteria are for removing an app, maybe current interest in them would help. (I tend to kinda doubt it.) But, if you do go to get "outdated" apps that you want, rate them on the App Store. Ratings are a rare enough that it might stun Apple if an app starts getting current ratings.

  • mjm1138mjm1138

    @wim said:
    Sorry to be negative right out of the gate, but music app revenue is too small a percentage of App Store revenue for Apple to ever notice the effort.

    If it makes people feel better to vent online and rewards developers, that's a good thing though. 👍🏼

    Yes, probably better to think of this as a way to reward and incentivize developers. Maybe if Waldorf notices an uptick in Nave purchases they'll release an update and keep it going in the store. Apple will never notice, but Waldorf might. Truer still for small indie developers.

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  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @ehehehe said:
    I rate everything I use, knowing halfways how the system works. Now, no suggestions of any endangered apps? This might really be a super-minority problem because nobody uses apps from indie devs?

    GarageBand hasn't been updated in 7 months. They might be close to delisting it.

    On a serious note, it's going to be the smaller single purpose apps that are more likely to not get much updating and lead to delisting. There isn't as much that's going to need updating in them. They'll also be using fewer frameworks and system services that might have changes that cause needing an update.

  • moodscapermoodscaper

    @NeonSilicon said: GarageBand hasn't been updated in 7 months. They might be close to delisting it.

    It takes a helluva lot to get an LOL out of me, especially on this topic, but you got me there. Thank you kindly! :smile:

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Since we don't know Apple's criteria are for removing an app, maybe current interest in them would help. (I tend to kinda doubt it.) But, if you do go to get "outdated" apps that you want, rate them on the App Store. Ratings are a rare enough that it might stun Apple if an app starts getting current ratings.

    That’s true about criteria. It would probably make sense to regroup on this when it’s more clear, and see what will make the most difference. I’m sure that as a community we would all pull together to help out independent developers.

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @moodscaper said:

    @NeonSilicon said: GarageBand hasn't been updated in 7 months. They might be close to delisting it.

    It takes a helluva lot to get an LOL out of me, especially on this topic, but you got me there. Thank you kindly! :smile:

    My pleasure. Glad you liked it! I did get a chuckle out of it myself when I noticed.

    Apple doesn't give the update history of many of their apps, but of those that they do, there are several that are 2, 3, 4, and 5 years to the last update. The iMessage emoji sticker packs are all like 5 years old. Some of the old apps are actually still useful. It's going to piss some people off if they pull the Airport setup utility app for example.

  • SimonSimon

    So, where is the video showing us how to do a secure backup of our old apps using iMazing or whatever app you use?

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited April 2022

    Or you could save App Store money for hardware 😂

    All sort of joking aside I’m honestly over this lopsided world where all the big bosses make millions and billions while the rest of us working souls can barely make it by and make too much money for help: such a cluster fluff 😞

    Big business cares about big numbers, that’s it.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    …maybe we all need to put our heads together and create our own tech to host apps on 💡

  • NeuMNeuM

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @ehehehe said:
    I rate everything I use, knowing halfways how the system works. Now, no suggestions of any endangered apps? This might really be a super-minority problem because nobody uses apps from indie devs?

    GarageBand hasn't been updated in 7 months. They might be close to delisting it.

    On a serious note, it's going to be the smaller single purpose apps that are more likely to not get much updating and lead to delisting. There isn't as much that's going to need updating in them. They'll also be using fewer frameworks and system services that might have changes that cause needing an update.

    Haha. Give it two years and then see if GarageBand disappears. LOL.

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @NeuM said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @ehehehe said:
    I rate everything I use, knowing halfways how the system works. Now, no suggestions of any endangered apps? This might really be a super-minority problem because nobody uses apps from indie devs?

    GarageBand hasn't been updated in 7 months. They might be close to delisting it.

    On a serious note, it's going to be the smaller single purpose apps that are more likely to not get much updating and lead to delisting. There isn't as much that's going to need updating in them. They'll also be using fewer frameworks and system services that might have changes that cause needing an update.

    Haha. Give it two years and then see if GarageBand disappears. LOL.

    Apple has apps on the store right now that haven't been updated in five years. Like I said above, some of these are useful to people. There's no reason they should be removed. They all work fine.

  • sharifkerbagesharifkerbage

    Reading the other post about this I was thinking “there has to be a way for us to be heard”.
    This is emphasizing my love-hate relationship with Apple. 😣

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    @ehehehe said:
    It would take you guys literally ten minutes and one to three units of universal credit(s) to make a spike in Apples analytics. I suggest everybody gets Nave to make it more specific, I mean, why wouldn't you? It has all those icey wavetables from Waldorf and is a genius piece of kit. Should maybe spend my time making cool demos with subscription-based loop libraries and GB for TikTok rather than this.

    since you mention nave.....

  • el_boel_bo

    Perhaps one of those online petitions would be a good idea? Distributing to online music forums, Reddit sites, Youtube IOS musicians and app-bloggers might yield a good amount of signatures. If it conveys a clear, succinct message and gets sent to the right people at Apple, at least you could be sure that it is seen.

  • israeliteisraelite
    edited April 2022

    Your idea is good but for the voices to be heard, the better way to rising them would be in an online petition.

  • daktidakti

    @israelite said:
    Your idea is good but for the voices to be heard, the better way to rising them would be in an online petition.

    +1 for online petition

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @dakti said:

    @israelite said:
    Your idea is good but for the voices to be heard, the better way to rising them would be in an online petition.

    +1 for online petition

    Add my +1 as well! I'll sign right away!

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 2022

    @ehehehe said:
    Just got an idea; if enough people purchase apps in danger of being phased out for irrelevant reasons maybe Apple will notice. I will literally freeze my Air 2 with Nave on it and blast Apple online every chance I get, the latter being a completely free solution now for everyone.

    Also, for most people (esp. Apple-execs apparently) iPad = musicking toy and that Gorillaz album. Our wallets are the most effective measure towards professionalism of the entire platform.

    So, what are some real gems that deserve our attention. compassion and money?

    If this entire thread hinges on particular apps "being phased out for irrelevant reasons"... which apps are they? Name them.

    And if you can name them, contact the developer(s) to update their apps!

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    Older IAAs like SECTOR, Seekbeats, Samplr etc may become endangered. These I consider ‘completed’ rather than abandoned.
    While these apps perfectly justify an offline device for continued access (is how I preserve them), them no longer allowed to be sold would be a loss for us and potentially affect devs actively developing other major tools (f.e lack of income from SECTOR sales may affect development of AUM - which so far never charged for updates, not even major ones and used by many of us.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    Older IAAs like SECTOR, Seekbeats, Samplr etc may become endangered. These I consider ‘completed’ rather than abandoned.
    While these apps perfectly justify an offline device for continued access (is how I preserve them), them no longer allowed to be sold would be a loss for us and potentially affect devs actively developing other major tools (f.e lack of income from SECTOR sales may affect development of AUM - which so far never charged for updates, not even major ones and used by many of us.

    Now... how do you know what those developers are doing? Perhaps they are actively working on updates. Have they said anything to support your conjecture?

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  • NeuMNeuM

    @ehehehe said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ehehehe said:
    Just got an idea; if enough people purchase apps in danger of being phased out for irrelevant reasons maybe Apple will notice. I will literally freeze my Air 2 with Nave on it and blast Apple online every chance I get, the latter being a completely free solution now for everyone.

    Also, for most people (esp. Apple-execs apparently) iPad = musicking toy and that Gorillaz album. Our wallets are the most effective measure towards professionalism of the entire platform.

    So, what are some real gems that deserve our attention. compassion and money?

    If this entire thread hinges on particular apps "being phased out for irrelevant reasons"... which apps are they? Name them.

    And if you can name them, contact the developer(s) to update their apps!

    I did, in the post you are quoting... Not engaging in any discussion with you.

    @NeonSilicon That is probably the best suggestion, being free. Vote and leave reviews! Just tried to write an review of Nave, but the pop-up thing just goes super fast down. That coupled with the fact that the search "nave synth" gave the real result at ninth place makes this stuff reek of irony.

    I don't believe a petition would reach the needed numbers for engagement, that's why my suggestion is more specific. Maybe mass-complaining to Apple customer service (HELP! MY APPS WILL DISAPPEAR!?) or making yt vids with good (clickbaity!) thumbnails would probably be much more effective. Jacob Haq, where u at dude? 😄

    You quoted a series of apps and provided no evidence they were in any "danger" of being removed from the App Store. Unless you are the developer in question, you don't know.

  • j_liljedahlj_liljedahl

    @NeuM said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    Older IAAs like SECTOR, Seekbeats, Samplr etc may become endangered. These I consider ‘completed’ rather than abandoned.
    While these apps perfectly justify an offline device for continued access (is how I preserve them), them no longer allowed to be sold would be a loss for us and potentially affect devs actively developing other major tools (f.e lack of income from SECTOR sales may affect development of AUM - which so far never charged for updates, not even major ones and used by many of us.

    Now... how do you know what those developers are doing? Perhaps they are actively working on updates. Have they said anything to support your conjecture?

    I haven't updated SECTOR or BitWiz Audio Synth for years, so I guess they are endangered. Simply rebuilding them with recent xcode versions would be a PITA because of all changes in the iOS SDK since then. They were even written before AutomaticReferenceCounting existed :) And yes, I consider them "complete", but I hope to find time to make new AU plugins based on them.

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