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anyone using m-vave chocolate bluetooth controller?

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  • @wim said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @gtrgeorge said:
    Hey, friends… has anybody had issues using the chocolate pedal with something time-dependent, like a looper or a sequencer or drum app? I tried using mine to start the transport of AUM, and no matter how I set it up, it sends the command when I release the footswitch rather than when I hit it. For turning on effects and things, it’s not a problem, but starting a sequencer it can affect the timing…

    Use a midi monitor to see what is happening. You probably have it set up in a mode where the command gets sent on release. The quickest setup to have it send on on press and off on release is to choose the mode called "manufacturer control" it sets it up like a blueboard. CCs 20 - 23 with On on press and Off on release. No customizing of individual settings needed.

    I think the issue is AUM transport is triggering on the OFF message (release) and what they want is for transport to trigger immediately on press. If so then custom settings are needed to send both ON and OFF on press rather than separately.

    I never really thought about the delay factor. I think I've subconsciously just trained myself to press ahead of time and release when I want transport to actually start. Kind of like Loopy's option to start clip recording on touch vs. release.

    AUM’s transport can be set to start on On.

    @gtrgeorge : it would help to advise you if you could look with a midi monitor and report what the m-vave sends on press and what it sends on release and to show us a screenshot of the mapping you have set up in AUM

  • @espiegel123 said:
    AUM’s transport can be set to start on On.

    But ... That's too easy. 😉
    Where's the fun in that?

  • @LeesKeys said:
    ..to midi-control your ios apps? If so, are you having the same connectivity problems I'm having? I thought at first this was a great little controller

    I was having connection problems too. Until I updated my iOS from 17.1 to 17.5. Now it’s as solid as a rock. Great bit of kit this.

  • Can this midi-controller be connected to iPad/iPhone with USB cable as well?

  • @OlaRos said:
    Can this midi-controller be connected to iPad/iPhone with USB cable as well?

    Yes

  • I have no direct proof that this ⬆️ will knacker a phone/Pad.. but it certainly did mine.. be careful is my advice.

  • @SkillipEvolver said:
    I have no direct proof that this ⬆️ will knacker a phone/Pad.. but it certainly did mine.. be careful is my advice.

    I'm curious, was it with the same ipad where you had a lot of problems regarding usb charging and data ?

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/55945/usb-thumb-drive-ssd-support-stopped-working#latest

  • Yes unfortunately.
    Sorry, I didn't mean to pollute the thread..
    I'm just feeling quite salty at the moment.
    It just seems too coincidental. - tether a lithium-based product to the usb, hey presto, usb failure

  • wimwim
    edited October 2024

    I think it's good that you mention it @SkillipEvolver. Yours is the only case I've heard of that happening but mentioning it might prevent someone else taking the risk of plugging it in directly if they see odd behavior coming from their pedal. And if anyone else has heard of something similar, they might end up confirming it here.

    There's also the possibility that your device was already having issues and this just sealed the deal. Or, possibly that a bad cable is in play. But getting the experience out there in front of as many eyes as possible can only be beneficial.

    I don't suppose the iPad is still under warranty.

  • Me and my faulty Pad are infamous it seems!
    Unfortunately no. Way out of warranty

    I have one of the 2018 iPad pros (aka 'the lucky year'). And it's just been so solid on performance that I'm reluctant to update.

    However , I did manage to find the receipt from last year when I had it USB-fixed then.. and they promise a 1yr warranty.. so I'm gonna give that a go.

    I must stress though to anyone going down the DIY / shopfix route. -be sure they're good at what they do. Mine came back (believe it or not) - with bent casing (the body). Which has hammed the touchscreen ever since (finger, or pen).

    Yeah... I basically love/hate this particular shop... 😬

  • I got the Chocolate and alrighty, time to start headscratcing MIDI bindings

    Ultimately I would like to use ‘Long press’ or a similar action on ‘D’ to change “bank” (?) so I can scroll through different CC’s or midi channels. Is this possible?

    Using it with LOOPY I want to
    -Use first set of A-B-C-D to toggle one row of four clips
    -Use next Bank of A-B-C-D to toggle clip 5-8
    -Third bank to switch presets on Tonestack
    -Fourth to switch pads on Funk Drummer App
    -Etc

    If I can, do I set it up so A=cc20 B=cc21 C=cc22 D=cc23, —>and LONG-PRESS on D switches ‘A’ to cc24, B=cc25 etc?
    Do I set it up so that LONG-PRESS D switches what Midi channel A-B-C-D uses? I may use 6 channels simply for this, thats okay.

    Does the above perhaps not work? Do I have to set up a THIS MIDI = THAT MIDI changer App Where Long-press on D = Change midi channel or, something more economic?

    I think it sounds fairly simple but I cant pull it out of my brain yet.
    Can you help set me on the path?

  • edited January 17

    @_smund said:
    I got the Chocolate and alrighty, time to start headscratcing MIDI bindings

    Ultimately I would like to use ‘Long press’ or a similar action on ‘D’ to change “bank” (?) so I can scroll through different CC’s or midi channels. Is this possible?

    Using it with LOOPY I want to
    -Use first set of A-B-C-D to toggle one row of four clips
    -Use next Bank of A-B-C-D to toggle clip 5-8
    -Third bank to switch presets on Tonestack
    -Fourth to switch pads on Funk Drummer App
    -Etc

    If I can, do I set it up so A=cc20 B=cc21 C=cc22 D=cc23, —>and LONG-PRESS on D switches ‘A’ to cc24, B=cc25 etc?
    Do I set it up so that LONG-PRESS D switches what Midi channel A-B-C-D uses? I may use 6 channels simply for this, thats okay.

    Does the above perhaps not work? Do I have to set up a THIS MIDI = THAT MIDI changer App Where Long-press on D = Change midi channel or, something more economic?

    I think it sounds fairly simple but I cant pull it out of my brain yet.
    Can you help set me on the path?

    Loopy has the option to create several controller profiles within the same project.
    Maybe you could set up 4 profiles and then create a radio button grid that switches between each controller profile when you long press button D?
    There’s a variety of ways to do that (step through profiles; enable/disable; switch; toggle), just set it up any way you want to select the controller profiles.
    Then you just set up the function of pressing button A-D within each controller profile.

  • @_smund said:
    I got the Chocolate and alrighty, time to start headscratcing MIDI bindings

    Ultimately I would like to use ‘Long press’ or a similar action on ‘D’ to change “bank” (?) so I can scroll through different CC’s or midi channels. Is this possible?

    Using it with LOOPY I want to
    -Use first set of A-B-C-D to toggle one row of four clips
    -Use next Bank of A-B-C-D to toggle clip 5-8
    -Third bank to switch presets on Tonestack
    -Fourth to switch pads on Funk Drummer App
    -Etc

    If I can, do I set it up so A=cc20 B=cc21 C=cc22 D=cc23, —>and LONG-PRESS on D switches ‘A’ to cc24, B=cc25 etc?
    Do I set it up so that LONG-PRESS D switches what Midi channel A-B-C-D uses? I may use 6 channels simply for this, thats okay.

    Does the above perhaps not work? Do I have to set up a THIS MIDI = THAT MIDI changer App Where Long-press on D = Change midi channel or, something more economic?

    I think it sounds fairly simple but I cant pull it out of my brain yet.
    Can you help set me on the path?

    I recommend that you use the Chocolate’s manufacturer control setting and do press vs long-press in Loopy. Otherwise, you will always have some latency when pressing.

    In the chocolate’s press/long-press mode the press is really release AND you need to manually program it to send on and press off for press and long press.

    Manufacturer control sets the pedal up for true momentary control (on immediately when pressed and off on release). Loopy can them disambiguate tap/hold/double-tap

  • Thanks guys. Yes!
    I figured out to use the Manufacturer setting and use Project Profiles. Those are neat.

  • Soot I got stuck at LONGPRESS, I suppose there is a workarund?

    I tried to use it to change Project Profiles while at the same time keeping single press for activating loops and switching banks in the different profiles.
    Can I set something up in LP for it to differentiate?

    The way I tried was using Midi Learn on a profile,
    -Selecting a Clip
    -tapping the M-vave for a binding
    -Then MIDI Bind buttons in LP the same way that activate on LONGPRESS to switch Profiles.

    Problem is the loop starts at the same time It changes Profile. I cant seperate the actions this way.

    Can I perhaps use the M-vave to instead set all actions to happen from a page full of buttons that recognizes LONGPRESS Vs PRESS?
    Is there a way to use double tap aswel?

  • edited January 19

    I tried to set up LP to respond to the same M-vave switch with long and shortpress, but long always triggers short, is that correct? Or is there a workaround?

    I tried to use Program C in Cube suite but Loopy Dosent recognize it. [Video]

    With program C you use E and F combination to scroll through CC’s up to 127.
    It works in AUM but not in Loopy?

    https://youtube.com/shorts/HZShS-s5es8?si=ikb0ypRFz3mzWj-5

  • @_smund

    I recommend that you use manufacturer control. Look at these wiki pages:

    https://wiki.loopypro.com/Footswitches#M-Vave_Chocolate

    When mapping tap and double-press or hold to the same message some care must be taken. There is a “defer other actions” option to ensure hold doesn’t trigger tap bindings—it necessarily introduces latency on the tap action.

    Read below to understand why:

    See: https://wiki.loopypro.com/Tech_Note:MIDI_Bindings#Binding_Tap/Hold/Double-Tap_to_the_same_message

    Also see the paragraph labeled “On/Hold/Double-Tap mapped to the same event.” on the Troubleshooting page for more information why:

    https://wiki.loopypro.com/Troubleshooting_MIDI

    Note that having the chocolate map tap and long-press itself works by virtue of not sending “tap” immediately . It actually sends its message on release. It essentially does the same thing as Loopy’s “Defer Other Actions”

  • Phew, It works! (:
    If anybody shows up in the future

  • @_smund said:
    I tried to set up LP to respond to the same M-vave switch with long and shortpress, but long always triggers short, is that correct? Or is there a workaround?

    I tried to use Program C in Cube suite but Loopy Dosent recognize it. [Video]

    With program C you use E and F combination to scroll through CC’s up to 127.
    It works in AUM but not in Loopy?

    https://youtube.com/shorts/HZShS-s5es8?si=ikb0ypRFz3mzWj-5

    Did you try re-launching Loopy Pro? It seems like it stopped seeing the midi from the pedal. If that happens again, load ShowMidi into Loopy Pro and route the foot controller to it to see if the midi is being received

  • No man I was just not seeing the button and thinking I had ro map Eucludian chess to switch between states. But it was just this button, so modes gallore.

    Full access to Hold/Press/Double tap from Loopy with M-vave Chocolate and Manufacturer setting

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