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LFOH! by K-Devices

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  • Does anybody have an example on how this modulates an audio track?

  • wimwim
    edited June 2022

    @AppJunky said:
    ‘We suggest to use Drambo’s [what?] if you want to use the same instance to drive two different parameters’

    "Attenuverters" ... I assume he means an Amp module. But that doesn't really make sense since every modulation input dial is in effect an attenuverter.

    I wouldn't make too much of that comment since driving multiple parameters from one is a pretty routine operation in Drambo unless you want to do things with the phase or mangle the output in other ways.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Does anybody have an example on how this modulates an audio track?

    Pretty simple. Route an audio source through it. Then slide the Audio Input Mod slider at the bottom to the right. You should hear the volume of the input signal fluctuate with the LFO.

    I was stumped on this one for awhile because with the default view that slider is hidden in Drambo. I had to float the window and resize it to find the slider.

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  • wimwim
    edited June 2022

    @AppJunky said:

    @wim said:

    @AppJunky said:
    ‘We suggest to use Drambo’s [what?] if you want to use the same instance to drive two different parameters’

    "Attenuverters" ... I assume he means an Amp module. But that doesn't really make sense since every modulation input dial is in effect an attenuverter.

    I wouldn't make too much of that comment since driving multiple parameters from one is a pretty routine operation in Drambo unless you want to do things with the phase or mangle the output in other ways.

    👍

    Has anyone tried using the same instance on multiple parameters in Drambo? They were very specific, made it sound like they knew it was different to the routine operation 🤔

    Sure. It works fine. LFOH! > Midi CC Modulator. Then connect the output of the CC modulator to whatever you want.

    Sometimes you gotta put aside the vids and just have some fun experimenting. B)

  • edited July 2022
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  • Will get this, but this would be cooler as wavefolder vs a VCA.

  • I never realized this whole time you could also use AUV3 effects in Drambo. It makes sense but wow that’s fantastic. I really need to dive into Drambo more. I made a synth with Apesofts accordion and it’s one of my favorite things on my iPad.

  • @auxmux said:
    Will get this, but this would be cooler as wavefolder vs a VCA.

    Have you used their wavefolder SHAPER?

  • edited June 2022

    @audiblevideo said:

    @auxmux said:
    Will get this, but this would be cooler as wavefolder vs a VCA.

    Have you used their wavefolder SHAPER?

    Yup, it's great! Super tasty on drums.

  • edited June 2022

    @Samu said:

    @_ki said:
    On my iPad Pro 10.5 / IOS 14.8.1 LFOH! only shows up in the audio FX slot of AUM. I am not able to load it into a midi slot. It‘s also not shown in Cubasis Midi Effects list of a track or AudioBus midi input slots.

    It's supposed to be put in an audio fx slot as it can also modulate the incoming audio.
    (They even explicitly state this in a video on their home page).

    Have you by any chance got it working as a MIDI lfo in AUM?
    Has me stumped.
    I tried to modulate the cutoff in DRC by setting the CC in LFOH to 74 and connecting it in the MIDI connection diagram. Nada. Then I manually set the cutoff CC for DRC in the MIDI ctrl panel in AUM to 74 and nada. I tried the above with the devices on their own channels in AUM and with LFOH as an insert on a DRC instance. Nada.

    Apparently this is above my pay grade.

  • edited June 2022

    @BirbHope said:

    Have you by any chance got it working as a MIDI lfo in AUM?

    Don't have LFOH and will not get it just to test.

    As far as I'm aware DRC has no 'Default CCs' you have to map them.

    DRC exposes all its parameters as AUv3 Parameters so you might have better luck modulating that way instead of CC74.

    ie. pick a CC in the LFOH plug-in and use that CC for Midi Control in AUM. When the DRC AUv3 window is open tap on the icon between presets and routing, tap on the midi routing icon and select the LFOH as the source, scroll down the the parameter you wish to automate and and select the CC you chose in LFOH).

    Pretty basic AUM stuff really...

    Good luck!

  • @Samu said:

    @BirbHope said:

    Have you by any chance got it working as a MIDI lfo in AUM?

    Don't have LFOH and will not get it just to test.

    DRC exposes all its parameters as AUv3 Parameters so you might have better luck modulating that way instead of CC74.

    ie. pick a CC in the LFOH plug-in and use that CC for Midi Control in AUM. When the DRC AUv3 window is open tap on the icon between presets and routing, tap on the midi routing icon and select the LFOH as the source, scroll down the the parameter you wish to automate and and select the CC you chose in LFOH).

    Pretty basic AUM stuff really...

    Good luck!

    Thanks bro. Im still new to all of it on iOS, including AUM. Lots to learn!

  • edited June 2022

    @BirbHope said:

    Thanks bro. Im still new to all of it on iOS, including AUM. Lots to learn!

    No worries, I'll try to be as helpful as I can.
    (DRC has to my knowledge no pre-mapped CC's at least it doesn't respond to CC74 by default).

    The best bet is to use AUM's Midi > AUParameter mapping. It's well worth the effort :sunglasses:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywya4q4qfq0wdiy/aumdrc.mp4?dl=0

  • @BirbHope, it works perfectly here.
    I'm not sure sure what you're doing wrong, but what I simply did is to :

    1. Insert LFOH! in the FX slot of DRC's node
    2. Route LFOH! Midi to DRC in the midi panel of AUM
    3. In LFOH! set the midi CC to 74

    And that's all... the cutoff is modulated 😉

  • edited June 2022

    @Samu said:

    @BirbHope said:

    Thanks bro. Im still new to all of it on iOS, including AUM. Lots to learn!

    No worries, I'll try to be as helpful as I can.
    (DRC has to my knowledge no pre-mapped CC's at least it doesn't respond to CC74 by default).

    The best bet is to use AUM's Midi > AUParameter mapping. It's well worth the effort :sunglasses:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywya4q4qfq0wdiy/aumdrc.mp4?dl=0

    Wow, thanks for the vid Samu. Very kind.
    From watching it I was able to get it working with Rozetta - and learned about “effect control 2 (msb)” in the process. :smile: Which ultimately is more useful in more situations than my immediate use case.
    Alas, perhaps because it is inserted into the audio effects slot LFOH! Doesnt play as nicely.

    However…..(see next post)

  • edited June 2022

    @Gratouilli said:
    @BirbHope, it works perfectly here.
    I'm not sure sure what you're doing wrong, but what I simply did is to :

    1. Insert LFOH! in the FX slot of DRC's node
    2. Route LFOH! Midi to DRC in the midi panel of AUM
    3. In LFOH! set the midi CC to 74

    And that's all... the cutoff is modulated 😉

    This was the first thing I tried actually and nothing. However after you posted I tried it againwith LFOH! and another synth (in this case Model D) and it worked.
    So DRC seems not to like LFOH!
    I can live with that. I will probably stumble across the secret at some point.

  • By default DRC does not respond to Midi CC74, it has to be manually mapped :sunglasses:
    Model D and Model 15 have CC74 pre-mapped to Filter Cutoff...

  • @Samu said:
    By default DRC does not respond to Midi CC74, it has to be manually mapped :sunglasses:
    Model D and Model 15 have CC74 pre-mapped to Filter Cutoff...

    That explains why it worked with Rozetta but not sure what the deal is with LFOH.
    Im sure with what I’ve learned so far (thanks!) I’ll figure it out. Or DRC is just snubbing LFOH. Im ok with using it as an audio gate-thing. It just triggers me when I cant figure something out. Lol.

  • @samu, I don't have to map anything in DRC ; I just set the CC number to 74 in LFOH! to make it modulate the Cutoff in DRC.

    @BirbHope, the last step I've forgot to mention is to hit AUM's play button to "activate" LFOH! 😎

  • edited June 2022

    @Gratouilli said:
    @samu, I don't have to map anything in DRC ; I just set the CC number to 74 in LFOH! to make it modulate the Cutoff in DRC.

    @BirbHope, the last step I've forgot to mention is to hit AUM's play button to "activate" LFOH! 😎

    Thanks bro. Did that actually. Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.
    …….
    Update: Actually I have it working now after using midi learn see below.

  • @BirbHope said:

    Thanks bro. Did that actually. Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.

    I'm pretty familiar with DRC and have done and still do beta on it.
    Back in before it was released Nuno insisted on putting me in the about menu under Special thanks haha...

    A 'clean install' of DRC has no pre-mapped CC's other than CC1 for the mod-wheel and pitch-bend which is not a CC.

    Cheers!

  • edited June 2022

    @Samu said:

    @BirbHope said:

    Thanks bro. Did that actually. Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.

    I'm pretty familiar with DRC and have done and still do beta on it.
    Back in before it was released Nuno insisted on putting me in the about menu under Special thanks haha...

    A 'clean install' of DRC has no pre-mapped CC's other than CC1 for the mod-wheel and pitch-bend which is not a CC.

    Cheers!

    Interesting you mention ‘clean install’. Because it was in my case. I hadnt mapped anything to it before, I don’t think (except perhaps my keyboard in standalone).
    I couldnt get it to work with LFOH today for the life of me.

    Now… I don’t know if it was because I happened to be using the “effect control 2 (msb)” setting or it would have worked anyway, but I set it up with the simple config Gratouilli suggested (lfoh in fx insert, and connected to DRC in the midi panel), and still nothing.
    However i hit midi learn and suddenly DRC picked it up. Now, I dont have to go through that step anymore, and setting it with this simple effect insert configuration works even after I close AUM, reopen and put in a new instance of both. Automatically mapped as long as lfoh is set to CC74.

    Anyway, thanks both of you!

  • @BirbHope said:
    However i hit midi learn and suddenly DRC picked it up.

    That is the way Midi Learn in DRC works :sunglasses:
    (ie. feed it with CC from 'outside', enable midi-learn, and tap a controller and the incoming CC will be assigned to that controller, as long as you stick to one CC at a time it'll be fine, too many different CC's at the same time will 'confuse' it during the mapping process haha).

  • @Samu said:

    @BirbHope said:
    However i hit midi learn and suddenly DRC picked it up.

    That is the way Midi Learn in DRC works :sunglasses:
    (ie. feed it with CC from 'outside', enable midi-learn, and tap a controller and the incoming CC will be assigned to that controller, as long as you stick to one CC at a time it'll be fine, too many different CC's at the same time will 'confuse' it during the mapping process haha).

    Yeah, I thought I had tried that after watching your Rozetta example but using LFOH and it didnt work initially. Must have done something differently this time.
    Anyway, thanks again, both.

  • @BirbHope said:
    Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.
    …….

    😉

  • @Gratouilli said:

    @BirbHope said:
    Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.
    …….

    😉

    You must have mapped the cutoff sometime before…. And DRC is remembering it. If you were to uninstall and try again you would have to midi learn it like Samu said…. No big deal. Its a fun LFO…

  • @onerez said:

    @Gratouilli said:

    @BirbHope said:
    Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.
    …….

    😉

    You must have mapped the cutoff sometime before…. And DRC is remembering it. If you were to uninstall and try again you would have to midi learn it like Samu said…. No big deal. Its a fun LFO…

    The dashed lines around LFOH! indicate a feedback loop. This could be harmless but might be causing issues. It would be safer to put LFOH! on a separate channel unless you're also using it to modulate the audio passing through it.

  • edited June 2022

    @wim said:

    @onerez said:

    @Gratouilli said:

    @BirbHope said:
    Are you sure you’re using DRC? I must be losing it.
    …….

    😉

    You must have mapped the cutoff sometime before…. And DRC is remembering it. If you were to uninstall and try again you would have to midi learn it like Samu said…. No big deal. Its a fun LFO…

    The dashed lines around LFOH! indicate a feedback loop. This could be harmless but might be causing issues. It would be safer to put LFOH! on a separate channel unless you're also using it to modulate the audio passing through it.

    Are there any scenarios where you might use a feedback loop like this in LFOH! intentionally?

  • edited June 2022

    @onerez said:
    You must have mapped the cutoff sometime before…. And DRC is remembering it. If you were to uninstall and try again you would have to midi learn it like Samu said…. No big deal. Its a fun LFO…

    If Samu says that's how DRC works... than I definitely must have done this sometime before 👍🏻🤗😁

    @wim said:
    The dashed lines around LFOH! indicate a feedback loop. This could be harmless but might be causing issues. It would be safer to put LFOH! on a separate channel unless you're also using it to modulate the audio passing through it.

    Ah ok... as LFOH! I'll use one instance in an AUM's channel to modulate midi CC and another instance in the fx slot to only modulate audio 👍🏻. Thanks for the advice 🙏🏻

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