France - Marine Le Pen and Rassemblement National

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Gravitas said:

@jazzmess said:
I only feel Darkness and uncertainty…

I hear you on that.
These are uncertain times for sure.
I haven't seen the Far Right so strong and not only in France everywhere.

As previously stated, the so-called “far Right” in France is still largely Left. It’s amusing how this woman is considered such a “threat” to Macron’s base. Aren’t her supporters also French? If they have a democracy of any kind there, those votes and voices are also supposed to be counted.

LePen is a neo-fascist racist.

Where's your evidence? Just claiming something isn't evidence.

There is a treasure trove of information on this topic. My statement was not controversial. It represents the consensus of non-far right leaning people that have addressed the topic.

maxwellhouser

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

We have a long time (30 year?) Fox News/Rush Limbaugh devotee in our family. We can all mostly be civil for the most part which means we don’t talk about politics but I got into it a little with them just before the 2020 election. I was baffled to hear them call Joe Biden “Radical Left”. Fully believed it. WUTTTTT??? 😂😂😂

Joe Biden has openly attacked the 1st and 2nd Amendments. He IS a radical Leftist now. In fact, the Joe Biden of today would be unrecognizable to the Joe Biden of 10-15 years ago.

Arent u supposed to be ignoring me. So when will Biden be nationalizing our oil production?

Do you want to be ignored? Or do you want to have a civil debate and discussion?

With you? Ignore please

NeuM

@FordTimeLord said:
You don’t see yourself as being on the Right?

You didn't quote me, but I take it that was directed at me? I suppose some might consider me on the right. I'm socially liberal and economically conservative. These distinctions seem to be a real problem for both Right and Left, but they're important.

Gravitas

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Gravitas said:

@jazzmess said:
I only feel Darkness and uncertainty…

I hear you on that.
These are uncertain times for sure.
I haven't seen the Far Right so strong and not only in France everywhere.

As previously stated, the so-called “far Right” in France is still largely Left. It’s amusing how this woman is considered such a “threat” to Macron’s base. Aren’t her supporters also French? If they have a democracy of any kind there, those votes and voices are also supposed to be counted.

LePen is a neo-fascist racist.

Where's your evidence? Just claiming something isn't evidence.

There is a treasure trove of information on this topic. My statement was not controversial. It represents the consensus of non-far right leaning people that have addressed the topic.

Agreed there is a treasure trove of information on this topic.

Here's a link for everyone else in regards to Marine Le Pen's father
who fronted Rassemblement National from 1972-2011

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Gravitas said:

@jazzmess said:
I only feel Darkness and uncertainty…

I hear you on that.
These are uncertain times for sure.
I haven't seen the Far Right so strong and not only in France everywhere.

As previously stated, the so-called “far Right” in France is still largely Left. It’s amusing how this woman is considered such a “threat” to Macron’s base. Aren’t her supporters also French? If they have a democracy of any kind there, those votes and voices are also supposed to be counted.

LePen is a neo-fascist racist.

Where's your evidence? Just claiming something isn't evidence.

There is a treasure trove of information on this topic. My statement was not controversial. It represents the consensus of non-far right leaning people that have addressed the topic.

Back to those old tricks. Citing the superior opinions of "the majority"... except when the majority opinions are at odds with your own. What ARE your opinions and why do you hold them?

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

That's the opposite of what Elon Musk has recently stated. The Left has moved so radically far to the Left that they now call a moderate a member of the "far Right" in the US. He has traditionally been associated with Democrats, but no longer. They attacked and maligned him over their bizarre and divisive political agenda.

He’s a pretty unreliable witness I’d say.

NeuM

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

We have a long time (30 year?) Fox News/Rush Limbaugh devotee in our family. We can all mostly be civil for the most part which means we don’t talk about politics but I got into it a little with them just before the 2020 election. I was baffled to hear them call Joe Biden “Radical Left”. Fully believed it. WUTTTTT??? 😂😂😂

Joe Biden has openly attacked the 1st and 2nd Amendments. He IS a radical Leftist now. In fact, the Joe Biden of today would be unrecognizable to the Joe Biden of 10-15 years ago.

Arent u supposed to be ignoring me. So when will Biden be nationalizing our oil production?

Do you want to be ignored? Or do you want to have a civil debate and discussion?

With you? Ignore please

Then don't comment on my posts because that would be the passive-aggressive response. If you want a discussion or have a difference of opinion with mine, address me directly. Otherwise, say nothing and don't involve me.

NeuM

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

That's the opposite of what Elon Musk has recently stated. The Left has moved so radically far to the Left that they now call a moderate a member of the "far Right" in the US. He has traditionally been associated with Democrats, but no longer. They attacked and maligned him over their bizarre and divisive political agenda.

He’s a pretty unreliable witness I’d say.

He was the hero of the Left until they started going after him in the usual mob fashion.

maxwellhouser

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

We have a long time (30 year?) Fox News/Rush Limbaugh devotee in our family. We can all mostly be civil for the most part which means we don’t talk about politics but I got into it a little with them just before the 2020 election. I was baffled to hear them call Joe Biden “Radical Left”. Fully believed it. WUTTTTT??? 😂😂😂

Joe Biden has openly attacked the 1st and 2nd Amendments. He IS a radical Leftist now. In fact, the Joe Biden of today would be unrecognizable to the Joe Biden of 10-15 years ago.

Arent u supposed to be ignoring me. So when will Biden be nationalizing our oil production?

Do you want to be ignored? Or do you want to have a civil debate and discussion?

With you? Ignore please

Then don't comment on my posts because that would be the passive-aggressive response. If you want a discussion or have a difference of opinion with mine, address me directly. Otherwise, say nothing and don't involve me.

You quoted me tho, I wouldn’t respond to you otherwise and I hate when people quote you because I don’t like to see your posts. I don’t find anything you say worthwhile or interesting. And you post way too much.

*fully support your right to pollute the forum though

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

That's the opposite of what Elon Musk has recently stated. The Left has moved so radically far to the Left that they now call a moderate a member of the "far Right" in the US. He has traditionally been associated with Democrats, but no longer. They attacked and maligned him over their bizarre and divisive political agenda.

He’s a pretty unreliable witness I’d say.

He was the hero of the Left until they started going after him in the usual mob fashion.

I honestly don’t remember that, must have been a niche US of A thing. I always saw him as one of those rich kids ‘born on third base thinks they scored a home run’ types to be honest. And he’s simply not to be trusted, kind of person who wants to flee the planet as he’s seen the writing on the wall…

NeuM

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@NeuM said:

@maxwellhouser said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

We have a long time (30 year?) Fox News/Rush Limbaugh devotee in our family. We can all mostly be civil for the most part which means we don’t talk about politics but I got into it a little with them just before the 2020 election. I was baffled to hear them call Joe Biden “Radical Left”. Fully believed it. WUTTTTT??? 😂😂😂

Joe Biden has openly attacked the 1st and 2nd Amendments. He IS a radical Leftist now. In fact, the Joe Biden of today would be unrecognizable to the Joe Biden of 10-15 years ago.

Arent u supposed to be ignoring me. So when will Biden be nationalizing our oil production?

Do you want to be ignored? Or do you want to have a civil debate and discussion?

With you? Ignore please

Then don't comment on my posts because that would be the passive-aggressive response. If you want a discussion or have a difference of opinion with mine, address me directly. Otherwise, say nothing and don't involve me.

You quoted me tho, I wouldn’t respond to you otherwise and I hate when people quote you because I don’t like to see your posts. I don’t find anything you say worthwhile or interesting. And you post way too much.

I thought you wanted to be ignored. Guess not.

Krupa

And the Overton window is clearly far further to the right now than when I was born, anyone with an eye on the game can see it.

Zerozerozero

@NeuM said:

@Zerozerozero said:

@Gravitas said:

@jazzmess said:
I only feel Darkness and uncertainty…

I hear you on that.
These are uncertain times for sure.
I haven't seen the Far Right so strong and not only in France everywhere.

It’s tragic for humanity. Fascism utilised/mobilised for wealth generation and retention.
Gangsterism wins.

That's just hyperbolic nonsense. Might I remind you that Macron is the one who reduced taxes on corporations there? (And by the way, I completely agree with drastically reducing corporate taxes to attract companies. This is something the US needs to do also.)

It’s well documented in it’s use for Brexit. You sound very “Useful”.

NeuM

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

That's the opposite of what Elon Musk has recently stated. The Left has moved so radically far to the Left that they now call a moderate a member of the "far Right" in the US. He has traditionally been associated with Democrats, but no longer. They attacked and maligned him over their bizarre and divisive political agenda.

He’s a pretty unreliable witness I’d say.

He was the hero of the Left until they started going after him in the usual mob fashion.

I honestly don’t remember that, must have been a niche US of A thing. I always saw him as one of those rich kids ‘born on third base thinks they scored a home run’ types to be honest. And he’s simply not to be trusted, kind of person who wants to flee the planet as he’s seen the writing on the wall…

He wasn't born rich. He made a lot of good bets and was smart enough to leverage those bets which paid off to fund much bigger risks.

https://marketrealist.com/p/was-elon-musk-born-rich/

Johnba

The thing that scares me the most is that people who vote for RN nowadays are much more younger than those who voted for National Front 15 years ago. So this situation will only get worse...

espiegel123

@NeuM : musk was liked by many because they knew nothing about his beliefs…which he kept well hidden until recently. So, people on the left liking him without knowing what he really stood for doesn’t make him a leftist.

NeuM

@Krupa said:
And the Overton window is clearly far further to the right now than when I was born, anyone with an eye on the game can see it.

In the US there are literal Marxists and Socialists in our Federal government. The Left in the US has never been more extreme than they are today.

YFP

Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

NeuM

@Johnba said:
The thing that scares me the most is that people who vote for RN nowadays are much more younger than those who voted for National Front 15 years ago. So this situation will only get worse...

During my lifetime I have always seen France as very nationalistic and insulated from other cultures (somewhat like China) due to their extreme economic and cultural protectionism.

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM : musk was liked by many because they knew nothing about his beliefs…which he kept well hidden until recently. So, people on the left liking him without knowing what he really stood for doesn’t make him a leftist.

And what do you know about his beliefs? If he was a member of the "far Right" why is he so concerned about things like "climate change"? That is not a conservative/Right point of view. That is a Democrat/Left point of view.

Zerozerozero

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Yeah, this one. Just occasionally some prick supports facism and needs to be called out on it.

NeuM

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Ask @Gravitas, who started this one. If you have a problem with it, you should not look at it.

NeuM

@Zerozerozero said:

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Yeah, this one. Just occasionally some prick supports facism and needs to be called out on it.

This thread was started by @Gravitas. Take it up with them.

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
The Overton window has shifted so far right in the last forty years, it’s like history never taught any lessons.

That's the opposite of what Elon Musk has recently stated. The Left has moved so radically far to the Left that they now call a moderate a member of the "far Right" in the US. He has traditionally been associated with Democrats, but no longer. They attacked and maligned him over their bizarre and divisive political agenda.

He’s a pretty unreliable witness I’d say.

He was the hero of the Left until they started going after him in the usual mob fashion.

I honestly don’t remember that, must have been a niche US of A thing. I always saw him as one of those rich kids ‘born on third base thinks they scored a home run’ types to be honest. And he’s simply not to be trusted, kind of person who wants to flee the planet as he’s seen the writing on the wall…

He wasn't born rich. He made a lot of good bets and was smart enough to leverage those bets which paid off to fund much bigger risks.

https://marketrealist.com/p/was-elon-musk-born-rich/

Interesting, I guess he’s just an obnoxious prick by nature then.

NeuM

@Zerozerozero said:

@NeuM said:

@Zerozerozero said:

@Gravitas said:

@jazzmess said:
I only feel Darkness and uncertainty…

I hear you on that.
These are uncertain times for sure.
I haven't seen the Far Right so strong and not only in France everywhere.

It’s tragic for humanity. Fascism utilised/mobilised for wealth generation and retention.
Gangsterism wins.

That's just hyperbolic nonsense. Might I remind you that Macron is the one who reduced taxes on corporations there? (And by the way, I completely agree with drastically reducing corporate taxes to attract companies. This is something the US needs to do also.)

It’s well documented in it’s use for Brexit. You sound very “Useful”.

Explain yourself. Are you calling Boris Johnson a fascist?

YFP

@Zerozerozero said:

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Yeah, this one. Just occasionally some prick supports facism and needs to be called out on it.

Can’t we just have the prick shot and move on?

Gravitas

@YFP said:

@Zerozerozero said:

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Yeah, this one. Just occasionally some prick supports facism and needs to be called out on it.

Can’t we just have the prick shot and move on?

Nah.
Let's keep it here otherwise it'll pollute the other threads.

NeuM

@YFP said:

@Zerozerozero said:

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Yeah, this one. Just occasionally some prick supports facism and needs to be called out on it.

Can’t we just have the prick shot and move on?

I'm quoting this for posterity. Calling for violence is against the terms of use for this forum. Who are the fascists, again?

YFP

@Gravitas said:

@YFP said:

@Zerozerozero said:

@YFP said:
Anyone know of a decent fucking music forum??

Yeah, this one. Just occasionally some prick supports facism and needs to be called out on it.

Can’t we just have the prick shot and move on?

Nah.
Let's keep it here otherwise it'll pollute the other threads.

Somewhere on a politics forum some prick is banging on about music apps 😆

maxwellhouser

In before the lock