What midi app will allow me to send PC (Program Change) messages to scroll through AUM presets?

uncledave

@Gavinski said:
Ah no - unfortunately using Drambo for this in AUM is kicking my DSP up from 40 to over 100

Hmmm. Not sure it should be that much. On my iPad 6 Drambo is running at 18% DSP, doing "nothing", which is pretty alarming. Remember, with the latest AUM, you can tap on DSP, then Node Statistics to see which modules are using it. We may be doing our Drambo wrong; maybe @rs2000 can comment.

My personal choice for an app like this would be StreamByter. It's much lighter on DSP even when doing a lot more work (scanning long tables at MIDI clock rates, 24/beat). I'll see what I can do.

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@Gavinski said:
I did actually get that mozaic script working but a) it is time consuming to set up b) it seems a bit quirky. Eg i set pad 3 to send PC 3 but it is actually sending PC2

Numbering in Mozaic starts at 0 (for the most part). Pads are labeled 0-15, as are midi channels. I haven’t looked at it myself, so it could still be off by one? @wim could answer that, but a lot of Mozaic scripts are written like that, where you configure pads with knobs and such.

Right, Wim’s seems also off by one. But is the most convenient mozaic solution so far. What would I have to do to send out PC messages above 15? Some coding? This is really something I am intimidated by

The numbering isn’t exactly a bug. MIDI starts counting at zero. Most (but not all) MIDI apps and hardware display 1 for the first program (the one that is actually program 0). So, wim’s program is true to the real MIDI.

rs2000

@uncledave said:

@Gavinski said:
Ah no - unfortunately using Drambo for this in AUM is kicking my DSP up from 40 to over 100

Hmmm. Not sure it should be that much. On my iPad 6 Drambo is running at 18% DSP, doing "nothing", which is pretty alarming. Remember, with the latest AUM, you can tap on DSP, then Node Statistics to see which modules are using it. We may be doing our Drambo wrong; maybe @rs2000 can comment.

My personal choice for an app like this would be StreamByter. It's much lighter on DSP even when doing a lot more work (scanning long tables at MIDI clock rates, 24/beat). I'll see what I can do.

100% CPU seems wrong. Maybe you have built a MIDI loop by accident?

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@Gavinski said:
I did actually get that mozaic script working but a) it is time consuming to set up b) it seems a bit quirky. Eg i set pad 3 to send PC 3 but it is actually sending PC2

Numbering in Mozaic starts at 0 (for the most part). Pads are labeled 0-15, as are midi channels. I haven’t looked at it myself, so it could still be off by one? @wim could answer that, but a lot of Mozaic scripts are written like that, where you configure pads with knobs and such.

Right, Wim’s seems also off by one. But is the most convenient mozaic solution so far. What would I have to do to send out PC messages above 15? Some coding? This is really something I am intimidated by

The numbering isn’t exactly a bug. MIDI starts counting at zero. Most (but not all) MIDI apps and hardware display 1 for the first program (the one that is actually program 0). So, wim’s program is true to the real MIDI.

I see what u mean. Yeah i notice LFOH starts from 0 by default too

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:
Is there no one knob solution that I can just turn and move to the next PC message?

Fwiw, there is no general next/previous program change command. The midi program change event calls up a specific preset. Some apps may implement buttons that will call up the next or previous preset.

But if you write a program need to either start by knowing what preset is currently active or start by sending a specific preset number. Then you could have a next/previous button that sends the next or previous program number.

uncledave

Here's the StreamByter implementation. Copy/paste this into a StreamByter window and Install Rules. Route the MIDI as you need.
Edit: Added handler for the menu at the top. You can select any PC number from that, then up/down from there. And btw, the number displayed is the value sent, range 0..127.

#PCUpDown

If load
Set name PCsend
Set Q0 Current_PC 0 7F +Menu
Set Q1 Up +Button
Set Q2 Down +Button
Set Q3 Reset +Button
Set Q4 +Hide
Set Q5 +Hide
Set Q6 +Hide
Set Q7 +Hide
Set Slider_Display 1

Alias J00 theCount
Ass J00 = 0

Sub UpdateCount pMode
   Ass J01 = theCount
   If pMode == 0
      Ass theCount = Q0
   End
   If pMode == 1
      If theCount < 7F
         Mat theCount = theCount + 1
      End 
   End
   If pMode == 2
      If theCount > 0
         Mat theCount = theCount - 1
      End 
   End
   If pMode == 3
      Ass theCount = 0
   End
   If theCount != J01
      Send C0 theCount   # new PC message
      Ass Q0 = theCount
   End
End

End # Initialization ———————————————————————————

If M0 == F0 7D 01       # handle control change
   UpdateCount M3
End

This pic shows it working. I just routed the output to another SB to view the output.

This uses 4% DSP in my iPad 6, much better than 18% for the Drambo version. If you lose sight of the SB buttons window, just tap the globe icon in the lower right.

Poppadocrock

@uncledave said:
Here's the StreamByter implementation. Copy/paste this into a StreamByter window and Install Rules. Route the MIDI as you need.

#PCUpDown

If load
Set name PCsend
Set Q0 Current_PC 0 7F +Menu
Set Q1 Up +Button
Set Q2 Down +Button
Set Q3 Reset +Button
Set Q4 +Hide
Set Q5 +Hide
Set Q6 +Hide
Set Q7 +Hide
Set Slider_Display 1

Alias J00 theCount
Ass J00 = 0

Sub UpdateCount pMode
   Ass J01 = theCount
   If pMode == 1
      If theCount < 7F
         Mat theCount = theCount + 1
      End 
   End
   If pMode == 2
      If theCount > 0
         Mat theCount = theCount - 1
      End 
   End
   If pMode == 3
      Ass theCount = 0
   End
   If theCount != J01
      Send C0 theCount   # new PC message
      Ass Q0 = theCount
   End
End

End # Initialization ———————————————————————————

If M0 == F0 7D 01     # handle control change
   UpdateCount M3
End

This pic shows it working. I just routed the output to another SB to view the output.

This uses 4% DSP in my iPad 6, much better than 18% for the Drambo version. If you lose sight of the SB buttons window, just tap the globe icon in the lower right.

Thanks @uncledave

uncledave

@Poppadocrock . If you're using my script, please grab the updated version. I made the menu do a selection, so you can dial any PC number directly, as well as up/down from the current.

HotStrange

There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

lukesleepwalker

I have been thinking for a while that someone ought to make an AUv3 program change Swiss Army knife. Not just changing the host presets but it would be cool if you could basically make a setlist by sending PC messages or AU parameters to apps in AUM or Loopy Pro or Drambo or whatever.

wim

Here's a Mozaic script where you can tap pads to cycle through bank and program. Tapping a pad increments the value and immediately sends the bank and program change. Default is on midi channel 1 but that can easily be changed in the code.

@Description
Increment Bank Select and Program Change using Mozaic Pads
@End

@OnLoad
  // Channel to send messages on
  chan = 0
  // Change this to YES to show PC/Bank as 1-128 rather than 0-127
  add1 = NO

  if Unassigned init
    init = YES

    // Default bank and program on new load
    bank = 0
    program = 0
  endif 

  Call @SetPadLabels
  Call @DoPadAction
@End

@OnPadDown
  pad = LastPad

  if pad = 0
    bank = bank+1
  elseif pad = 1
    program = program + 1
  elseif pad = 2
    bank = bank - 1
  elseif pad = 3
    program = program - 1
  endif

  if bank > 127 
    bank = 0
  elseif bank < 0
    bank = 127
  endif

  if program > 127 
    program = 0
  elseif program < 0
    program = 127
  endif

  Call @SetPadLabels
  Call @DoPadAction
@End

@DoPadAction
  //Log {Bank: }, bank, { Program: }, program
  SendMIDIBankSelect chan,0,bank
  SendMIDIProgramChange chan,program,1
@End

@SetPadLabels
    LabelPad 0, {⬆️                }, {Bank: }, (bank + add1)
    LabelPad 1, {⬆️                }, {Program: },  (program + add1)
    LabelPad 2, {⬇️                }
    LabelPad 3, {⬇️                }
@End

Gavinski

@uncledave said:
Here's the StreamByter implementation. Copy/paste this into a StreamByter window and Install Rules. Route the MIDI as you need.
Edit: Added handler for the menu at the top. You can select any PC number from that, then up/down from there. And btw, the number displayed is the value sent, range 0..127.

#PCUpDown

If load
Set name PCsend
Set Q0 Current_PC 0 7F +Menu
Set Q1 Up +Button
Set Q2 Down +Button
Set Q3 Reset +Button
Set Q4 +Hide
Set Q5 +Hide
Set Q6 +Hide
Set Q7 +Hide
Set Slider_Display 1

Alias J00 theCount
Ass J00 = 0

Sub UpdateCount pMode
   Ass J01 = theCount
   If pMode == 0
      Ass theCount = Q0
   End
   If pMode == 1
      If theCount < 7F
         Mat theCount = theCount + 1
      End 
   End
   If pMode == 2
      If theCount > 0
         Mat theCount = theCount - 1
      End 
   End
   If pMode == 3
      Ass theCount = 0
   End
   If theCount != J01
      Send C0 theCount   # new PC message
      Ass Q0 = theCount
   End
End

End # Initialization ———————————————————————————

If M0 == F0 7D 01     # handle control change
   UpdateCount M3
End

This pic shows it working. I just routed the output to another SB to view the output.

This uses 4% DSP in my iPad 6, much better than 18% for the Drambo version. If you lose sight of the SB buttons window, just tap the globe icon in the lower right.

Oh great! Will check this later, thnx a lot Dave 🙏

Gavinski

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Gavinski

@wim said:
Here's a Mozaic script where you can tap pads to cycle through bank and program. Tapping a pad increments the value and immediately sends the bank and program change. Default is on midi channel 1 but that can easily be changed in the code.

@Description
Increment Bank Select and Program Change using Mozaic Pads
@End

@OnLoad
  // Channel to send messages on
  chan = 0
  // Change this to YES to show PC/Bank as 1-128 rather than 0-127
  add1 = NO
  
  if Unassigned init
    init = YES
    
    // Default bank and program on new load
    bank = 0
    program = 0
  endif 
  
  Call @SetPadLabels
  Call @DoPadAction
@End

@OnPadDown
  pad = LastPad
  
  if pad = 0
    bank = bank+1
  elseif pad = 1
    program = program + 1
  elseif pad = 2
    bank = bank - 1
  elseif pad = 3
    program = program - 1
  endif
  
  if bank > 127 
    bank = 0
  elseif bank < 0
    bank = 127
  endif
  
  if program > 127 
    program = 0
  elseif program < 0
    program = 127
  endif
  
  Call @SetPadLabels
  Call @DoPadAction
@End

@DoPadAction
  //Log {Bank: }, bank, { Program: }, program
  SendMIDIBankSelect chan,0,bank
  SendMIDIProgramChange chan,program,1
@End

@SetPadLabels
    LabelPad 0, {⬆️                }, {Bank: }, (bank + add1)
    LabelPad 1, {⬆️                }, {Program: },  (program + add1)
    LabelPad 2, {⬇️                }
    LabelPad 3, {⬇️                }
@End

Nice! Will also check this!

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Use notes instead of PC changes for what? In AUM , you can use just about any midi event type for anything. You can use notes or cc's for AUM's preset load actions of that is what you are asking.

espiegel123

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Use notes instead of PC changes for what? In AUM , you can use just about any midi event type for anything. You can use notes or cc's for AUM's preset load actions of that is what you are asking.

HotStrange

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Ah didn’t realize that. Apologies!

rs2000

And yet another option 😉
https://patchstorage.com/midi-program-change-buttons/

rs2000

@Gavinski said:
Ah no - unfortunately using Drambo for this in AUM is kicking my DSP up from 40 to over 100

Please try my version that I've just uploaded to Patchstorage. Are you getting audio crackles after loading it in AUM?
Like said, make sure you don't have a MIDI loop.
AUM tells me that a separate Drambo MIDI AUv3 instance uses between 3 and 4% CPU with this patch on an iPad 6.

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Use notes instead of PC changes for what? In AUM , you can use just about any midi event type for anything. You can use notes or cc's for AUM's preset load actions of that is what you are asking.

Did that and tried using AUM keyboard note input, didn’t work, not sure why

Gavinski

@rs2000 said:

@Gavinski said:
Ah no - unfortunately using Drambo for this in AUM is kicking my DSP up from 40 to over 100

Please try my version that I've just uploaded to Patchstorage. Are you getting audio crackles after loading it in AUM?
Like said, make sure you don't have a MIDI loop.
AUM tells me that a separate Drambo MIDI AUv3 instance uses between 3 and 4% CPU with this patch on an iPad 6.

Thanks! Will check that cheers!

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Use notes instead of PC changes for what? In AUM , you can use just about any midi event type for anything. You can use notes or cc's for AUM's preset load actions of that is what you are asking.

Did that and tried using AUM keyboard note input, didn’t work, not sure why

I just tried it and it worked as expected. Can you post pictures of the midicontrol settings and routings.

wim

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Use notes instead of PC changes for what? In AUM , you can use just about any midi event type for anything. You can use notes or cc's for AUM's preset load actions of that is what you are asking.

Did that and tried using AUM keyboard note input, didn’t work, not sure why

Check that you have the AUM keyboard routed to MIDI control. That's easy to forget. Also, you probably already know this, but you have to enter the note and channel manually because midi learn with the AUM keyboard, or anything else that requires a screen tap, can't be done since the dialog closes as soon as you tap anywhere outside the dialog.

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:
There’s an app called program changer. I haven’t used it but it’s free!

It's not AUv3 though. Btw @espiegel123 do i remember you saying in another thread you could use notes instead of PC messages tl do this in AUM? It does look like it should work, but i couldn't get that working either

Use notes instead of PC changes for what? In AUM , you can use just about any midi event type for anything. You can use notes or cc's for AUM's preset load actions of that is what you are asking.

Did that and tried using AUM keyboard note input, didn’t work, not sure why

I just tried it and it worked as expected. Can you post pictures of the midicontrol settings and routings.

Have a look, thanks Ed:

Gavinski

.

Gavinski

I know so little about drambo, I’m sure there must be something I’m doing wrong @rs2000
Anything wrong in my setup? Whether I try the sliders or the buttons I am getting no program change

Gavinski

@wim said:
Here's a Mozaic script where you can tap pads to cycle through bank and program. Tapping a pad increments the value and immediately sends the bank and program change. Default is on midi channel 1 but that can easily be changed in the code.

@Description
Increment Bank Select and Program Change using Mozaic Pads
@End

@OnLoad
  // Channel to send messages on
  chan = 0
  // Change this to YES to show PC/Bank as 1-128 rather than 0-127
  add1 = NO
  
  if Unassigned init
    init = YES
    
    // Default bank and program on new load
    bank = 0
    program = 0
  endif 
  
  Call @SetPadLabels
  Call @DoPadAction
@End

@OnPadDown
  pad = LastPad
  
  if pad = 0
    bank = bank+1
  elseif pad = 1
    program = program + 1
  elseif pad = 2
    bank = bank - 1
  elseif pad = 3
    program = program - 1
  endif
  
  if bank > 127 
    bank = 0
  elseif bank < 0
    bank = 127
  endif
  
  if program > 127 
    program = 0
  elseif program < 0
    program = 127
  endif
  
  Call @SetPadLabels
  Call @DoPadAction
@End

@DoPadAction
  //Log {Bank: }, bank, { Program: }, program
  SendMIDIBankSelect chan,0,bank
  SendMIDIProgramChange chan,program,1
@End

@SetPadLabels
    LabelPad 0, {⬆️                }, {Bank: }, (bank + add1)
    LabelPad 1, {⬆️                }, {Program: },  (program + add1)
    LabelPad 2, {⬇️                }
    LabelPad 3, {⬇️                }
@End

This works!! Thanks a lot Wim, highly appreciated. Will use this later in my Crystalline vid and give you a shoutout.

Carnbot

Here's another simple option I made a while ago for going up and down program change. Two touch pads on screen or you can use a midi keyboard (C3 and D3).
using Mfx convert + streambyter + midi Pads

Only one bank though: Pc 0-127.

For external keyboard control you need to route the input to mFx convert and the ouput from streambyter.

rs2000

@Gavinski All you need to do is connect the MIDI input:

uncledave

@Gavinski Also, the Track MIDI output (5-pin icon at the right) needs to be connected to the module MIDI output. Otherwise, the MIDI is not going anywhere.