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Which app should I get - Crystalline, Samplewiz 2, or Thermo Synth

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  • Montreal_MusicMontreal_Music
    edited November 2022

    @NeuM said:
    Only you know what you need in terms of apps.

    That's a rational answer. Great wisdom. I'm here for the emotion :)

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Montreal_Music said:
    To buy or not to buy?

    If you really know how to use, say, even 80% of the apps you already bought, buy it, otherwise just learn what you've got already and wait for the next sale 👻

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @NeuM said:
    Only you know what you need in terms of apps.

    Exactly, and back then I eventually ended up buying all three. 🤣 Oddly enough, I haven't used the three in a while but used them heavily in my Ambient experiments during my "Summer of Ambient 2022". Now I'm on a Lofi streak, lol.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Gavinski said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    To buy or not to buy?

    If you really know how to use, say, even 80% of the apps you already bought, buy it, otherwise just learn what you've got already and wait for the next sale 👻

    Good call mate. ;) Good call.

    @Montreal_Music said:

    @NeuM said:
    Only you know what you need in terms of apps.

    That's a rational answer. Great wisdom. I'm here for the emotion :)

    WAAAAAH! 😭 (There, some emotion for you, lol. 🤣 )

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    Crystalline

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @oat_phipps said:
    Crystalline

    It really is the bee's knees of reverbs for Ambient and other genres. :) But yeah, this thread was made all the way back in late June. 🤣 I obviously have all three apps by now.

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Now I'm on a Lofi streak, lol.

    Next is Lofi House Ambient? :lol:

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    I obviously have all three apps by now.

    Whenever we ask for opinions, its just a matter of priority
    We always go for all of them :lol:

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @senhorlampada said:
    Next is Lofi House Ambient? :lol:

    LOL! Actually...Lofi House may be something to explore. 🤩🤣 We'll see what I can invent once I finish mastering the basics of Lofi production. 😉 I've learned the basics from those two Udemy classes and countless Youtube vids, and now it's practice, practice, practice! Or as my dad called it..."woodshedding".

    @senhorlampada said:
    Whenever we ask for opinions, its just a matter of priority
    We always go for all of them :lol:

    Pretty much, and when I originally asked the question, it really was just asking which one I should get first. I first got Crystalline, then Samplewiz 2, and then Thermosynth.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    Thermo!

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    Thermo!

    Damnedest thing is I'm still trying to learn to tame that beast. 🤣

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    Thermo!

    Damnedest thing is I'm still trying to learn to tame that beast. 🤣

    😂 I feel you… I need to get back to it. I’m sure there are a bunch songs waiting to happen in it!

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    Thermo!

    Damnedest thing is I'm still trying to learn to tame that beast. 🤣

    😂 I feel you… I need to get back to it. I’m sure there are a bunch songs soundscapes waiting to happen in it!

    Fixed that for you. 😏 Lol. Joking.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    Thermo!

    Damnedest thing is I'm still trying to learn to tame that beast. 🤣

    😂 I feel you… I need to get back to it. I’m sure there are a bunch songs soundscapes waiting to happen in it!

    Fixed that for you. 😏 Lol. Joking.

    😆 you’re right… I’m a soundscape junkie! I was chatting with a friend about the first song I ever made with an application called Databecker Music Maker a bunch of years ago. That song to this day is the ultimate sleeping pill. I layered so many soundscapes and effects that it is guaranteed to take you out within minutes 😴 I had no clue what I was doing 😂

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    Thermo!

    Damnedest thing is I'm still trying to learn to tame that beast. 🤣

    😂 I feel you… I need to get back to it. I’m sure there are a bunch songs soundscapes waiting to happen in it!

    Fixed that for you. 😏 Lol. Joking.

    😆 you’re right… I’m a soundscape junkie! I was chatting with a friend about the first song I ever made with an application called Databecker Music Maker a bunch of years ago. That song to this day is the ultimate sleeping pill. I layered so many soundscapes and effects that it is guaranteed to take you out within minutes 😴 I had no clue what I was doing 😂

    Dude! Show me. 😃

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Montreal_Music said:
    To buy or not to buy?

    I’m having the same dilemma…

  • _ki_ki

    I took the offer yesterday shortly before midnight because i didn‘t know if the offer will be up over the weekend. Then i opened the new app and got lost in it for 2 hours experimenting and starting a song until i realized the time :)

    Luckily i had experience with Fundamental‘s preset system, as ThermoSynth preset management works the same wierd way. So i first created a new bank and saved my exeriments in the new bank without loosing the original presets.
    I remember that when initially trying out Fundamental, i overwrote the original presets and even deleted the original bank when trying to figure out what the E button was for (it was ‚erase bank‘ and worked with a single press at that time)

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps
    edited November 2022

    I like experimenting with Thermo more, it can get crazier, but I actually get stuff I’ve used in honest tracks much more easily out of Fundamental. Maybe it’s coincidence, I dunno. But they’re both easy to get lost into and very fun yet serious toys if you dedicate yourself to them for just a little while. A little while longer than most of us usually spend before tossing an app, but it’s still not rocket science.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @_ki said:
    I took the offer yesterday shortly before midnight because i didn‘t know if the offer will be up over the weekend. Then i opened the new app and got lost in it for 2 hours experimenting and starting a song until i realized the time :)

    Luckily i had experience with Fundamental‘s preset system, as ThermoSynth preset management works the same wierd way. So i first created a new bank and saved my exeriments in the new bank without loosing the original presets.
    I remember that when initially trying out Fundamental, i overwrote the original presets and even deleted the original bank when trying to figure out what the E button was for (it was ‚erase bank‘ and worked with a single press at that time)

    @oat_phipps said:
    I like experimenting with Thermo more, it can get crazier, but I actually get stuff I’ve used in honest tracks much more easily out of Fundamental. Maybe it’s coincidence, I dunno. But they’re both easy to get lost into and very fun yet serious toys if you dedicate yourself to them for just a little while. A little while longer than most of us usually spend before tossing an app, but it’s still not rocket science.

    Yeah, I reckon I’d load up a couple of instances through Silo and lo-fi-af, mess around pulling levers for an hour, and get a new album out of it….and it is nearly Christmas…

  • tahichetahiche

    Is Samplewhiz 2 worth it?. I already have some samplers:

    • audiolayer: great for multiple samples, velocities, etc… but not too much tweaking or creative manipulation.
    • Drambo: can do it all. Sample, manipulate, transform, sequence, annihilate… but it always takes some effort to set up.
      Samplewhiz looks like a fun tool to manipulate and get some interesting sounds. Probably closer to FRMS ? (Which I own as well).
  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @tahiche said:
    Is Samplewhiz 2 worth it?. I already have some samplers:

    • audiolayer: great for multiple samples, velocities, etc… but not too much tweaking or creative manipulation.
    • Drambo: can do it all. Sample, manipulate, transform, sequence, annihilate… but it always takes some effort to set up.
      Samplewhiz looks like a fun tool to manipulate and get some interesting sounds. Probably closer to FRMS ? (Which I own as well).

    I haven't tried Drambo's sampler yet? Can it do granular synthesis? Sounds amazing!

    Samplewiz is rather easy and straightforward and has the ability to do granular synthesis with a sample. Not sure how it compares to FRMS as I never bought FRMS (looks cool though).

    All signs point to "Drambo" once again. 🤣

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps
    edited November 2022

    @monz0id said:

    @_ki said:
    I took the offer yesterday shortly before midnight because i didn‘t know if the offer will be up over the weekend. Then i opened the new app and got lost in it for 2 hours experimenting and starting a song until i realized the time :)

    Luckily i had experience with Fundamental‘s preset system, as ThermoSynth preset management works the same wierd way. So i first created a new bank and saved my exeriments in the new bank without loosing the original presets.
    I remember that when initially trying out Fundamental, i overwrote the original presets and even deleted the original bank when trying to figure out what the E button was for (it was ‚erase bank‘ and worked with a single press at that time)

    @oat_phipps said:
    I like experimenting with Thermo more, it can get crazier, but I actually get stuff I’ve used in honest tracks much more easily out of Fundamental. Maybe it’s coincidence, I dunno. But they’re both easy to get lost into and very fun yet serious toys if you dedicate yourself to them for just a little while. A little while longer than most of us usually spend before tossing an app, but it’s still not rocket science.

    Yeah, I reckon I’d load up a couple of instances through Silo and lo-fi-af, mess around pulling levers for an hour, and get a new album out of it….and it is nearly Christmas…

    I just did this with Fundamental since my last post. I think it’s a great idea of the type of “pretty” it can do. A little lucid morning meditation for all. I forgot to even consider the insane possibilities now that Silo and Tails are out. Lord you’re right. Could crank out an interesting album per day for a week at least.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gYRWkIHuZsP5OdxhXKdwf9mOJ11BwLhN/view?usp=drivesdk

    Just Fundy 2 with a touch of FAC Phazer and prob a little too much Pro-R. Ah well!

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited November 2022

    @oat_phipps said:

    @monz0id said:

    @_ki said:
    I took the offer yesterday shortly before midnight because i didn‘t know if the offer will be up over the weekend. Then i opened the new app and got lost in it for 2 hours experimenting and starting a song until i realized the time :)

    Luckily i had experience with Fundamental‘s preset system, as ThermoSynth preset management works the same wierd way. So i first created a new bank and saved my exeriments in the new bank without loosing the original presets.
    I remember that when initially trying out Fundamental, i overwrote the original presets and even deleted the original bank when trying to figure out what the E button was for (it was ‚erase bank‘ and worked with a single press at that time)

    @oat_phipps said:
    I like experimenting with Thermo more, it can get crazier, but I actually get stuff I’ve used in honest tracks much more easily out of Fundamental. Maybe it’s coincidence, I dunno. But they’re both easy to get lost into and very fun yet serious toys if you dedicate yourself to them for just a little while. A little while longer than most of us usually spend before tossing an app, but it’s still not rocket science.

    Yeah, I reckon I’d load up a couple of instances through Silo and lo-fi-af, mess around pulling levers for an hour, and get a new album out of it….and it is nearly Christmas…

    I just did this with Fundamental since my last post. I think it’s a great idea of the type of “pretty” it can do. A little lucid morning meditation for all. I forgot to even consider the insane possibilities now that Silo and Tails are out. Lord you’re right. Could crank out an interesting album per day for a week at least.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gYRWkIHuZsP5OdxhXKdwf9mOJ11BwLhN/view?usp=drivesdk

    Just Fundy 2 with a touch of FAC Phazer and prob a little too much Pro-R. Ah well!

    That’s nice that, almost a Cluster/Terry Riley vibe.

    I had the first version of Fundamental, but haven’t really looked at v2. Time to investigate - thanks!

    ThermoSynth reminds me of watching Hawkwind in horizontal, driving rain during the Solstice of 85, on top of White Horse hill with the remains of the post-Beanfield battered convoy and ten police helicopters circling overhead. Those were the days!

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @monz0id said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @monz0id said:

    @_ki said:
    I took the offer yesterday shortly before midnight because i didn‘t know if the offer will be up over the weekend. Then i opened the new app and got lost in it for 2 hours experimenting and starting a song until i realized the time :)

    Luckily i had experience with Fundamental‘s preset system, as ThermoSynth preset management works the same wierd way. So i first created a new bank and saved my exeriments in the new bank without loosing the original presets.
    I remember that when initially trying out Fundamental, i overwrote the original presets and even deleted the original bank when trying to figure out what the E button was for (it was ‚erase bank‘ and worked with a single press at that time)

    @oat_phipps said:
    I like experimenting with Thermo more, it can get crazier, but I actually get stuff I’ve used in honest tracks much more easily out of Fundamental. Maybe it’s coincidence, I dunno. But they’re both easy to get lost into and very fun yet serious toys if you dedicate yourself to them for just a little while. A little while longer than most of us usually spend before tossing an app, but it’s still not rocket science.

    Yeah, I reckon I’d load up a couple of instances through Silo and lo-fi-af, mess around pulling levers for an hour, and get a new album out of it….and it is nearly Christmas…

    I just did this with Fundamental since my last post. I think it’s a great idea of the type of “pretty” it can do. A little lucid morning meditation for all. I forgot to even consider the insane possibilities now that Silo and Tails are out. Lord you’re right. Could crank out an interesting album per day for a week at least.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gYRWkIHuZsP5OdxhXKdwf9mOJ11BwLhN/view?usp=drivesdk

    Just Fundy 2 with a touch of FAC Phazer and prob a little too much Pro-R. Ah well!

    That’s nice that, almost a Cluster/Terry Riley vibe.

    I had the first version of Fundamental, but haven’t really looked at v2. Time to investigate - thanks!

    ThermoSynth reminds me of watching Hawkwind in horizontal, driving rain during the Solstice of 85, on top of White Horse hill with the remains of the post-Beanfield battered convoy and ten police helicopters circling overhead. Those were the days!

    Excellent comparisons, all. We’re speaking the same language/interests music wise

  • SatieSatie

    @_ki said:
    I took the offer yesterday shortly before midnight because i didn‘t know if the offer will be up over the weekend. Then i opened the new app and got lost in it for 2 hours experimenting and starting a song until i realized the time :)

    Luckily i had experience with Fundamental‘s preset system, as ThermoSynth preset management works the same wierd way. So i first created a new bank and saved my exeriments in the new bank without loosing the original presets.
    I remember that when initially trying out Fundamental, i overwrote the original presets and even deleted the original bank when trying to figure out what the E button was for (it was ‚erase bank‘ and worked with a single press at that time)

    Great advice - thanks. But how do I create a new bank? I cannot find a manual-pdf, like announced in the App-Store….

  • _ki_ki
    edited November 2022

    @Satie

    To create a new bank, press the grey bar below the (L)oad and (S)ave buttons to bring up the bank and import/eport options.

    Now tap the namefield and enter a new bank name, then press (C)opy and a ‚press again to copy‘ message appears. Press (C)opy again and then the bar (which is yellow to indicate bank/import/export options) to go back to the normal (L)oad/(S)ave options.

    Tapping on the bank-name brings up a bank selector popup, which should contain your newly copied bank. Since it’s a bank-copy, your bank will contain the same presets as the bank that has been selected when doing the copy. Tap on your bank, selects that bank for load/save actions.

    .

    Before saving a preset, first input a new name into the name field and then press (s) to bring up the preset selector. In that selector, tap the slot you want to overwrite with the current setting. A ‚tap again to overwrite‘ message appears and then tap a second time on the destination slot.

    .

    BTW: To abort a (L)oad or (S)ave action when the preset selector is already open just press the (L) or (S) button again.

  • _ki_ki
    edited November 2022

    @Satie said:
    … I cannot find a manual-pdf, like announced in the App-Store….

    I also didn‘t see a link on the Thermo webpage, but google listed a link to the pdf manual for the v1.2 PC version with 29 pages.

  • SatieSatie

    @_ki said:
    @Satie

    To create a new bank, press the grey bar below the (L)oad and (S)ave buttons to bring up the bank and import/eport options.

    Now tap the namefield and enter a new bank name, then press (C)opy and a ‚press again to copy‘ message appears. Press (C)opy again and then the bar (which is yellow to indicate bank/import/export options) to go back to the normal (L)oad/(S)ave options.

    Tapping on the bank-name brings up a bank selector popup, which should contain your newly copied bank. Since it’s a bank-copy, your bank will contain the same presets as the bank that has been selected when doing the copy. Tap on your bank, selects that bank for load/save actions.

    .

    Before saving a preset, first input a new name into the name field and then press (s) to bring up the preset selector. In that selector, tap the slot you want to overwrite with the current setting. A ‚tap again to overwrite‘ message appears and then tap a second time on the destination slot.

    .

    BTW: To abort a (L)oad or (S)ave action when the preset selector is already open just press the (L) or (S) button again.

    Thanks a lot! 🙏🏽
    Got it.
    Shall I I place the other 112 questions to Thermo in here, or should I open another post? Or is there actually a PDF-manual?

  • SatieSatie

    @Satie said:

    Thanks a lot! 🙏🏽
    Got it.
    Shall I I place the other 112 questions to Thermo in here, or should I open another post? Or is there actually a PDF-manual?

    Where is the possibility to route MIDI-Contoller-messages to the sliders in Thermo? On YouTube, there is shown, that this should function.

  • SatieSatie

    https://www.sonic-lab.com/Thermo/Thermo_manual.pdf

    I did find the manual. Infos to CC-mapping included.👍🏽

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