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Any thoughts on headphone correction, mainly TB Morphit?

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  • OK, I tested things again, this time with Koss Porta Pros, and I can definitely hear the difference.

    I think what was happening is that the demo version of the plugin switches itself off whenever you disable the device in Live, so there really was zero difference when I was toggling it on and off!

    It makes the Porta Pros sound amazing btw. They're now totally my go-to travel cans—I love open backs for audio work (in quiet places at least), as I don't feel so isolated.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    OK, I tested things again, this time with Koss Porta Pros, and I can definitely hear the difference.

    I think what was happening is that the demo version of the plugin switches itself off whenever you disable the device in Live, so there really was zero difference when I was toggling it on and off!

    It makes the Porta Pros sound amazing btw. They're now totally my go-to travel cans—I love open backs for audio work (in quiet places at least), as I don't feel so isolated.

    Glad you got it working.

    I too was surprised how good it made some old Apple earbuds from iPod days sound.

  • @ecou Thanks. It seems to have more effect on more basic headphones. My hifiman headphones don’t change much, but they definitely seem more neutral. I still prefer them without eq for listening to music, but for monitoring this software is quite a bargain

  • @mistercharlie said:
    @ecou Thanks. It seems to have more effect on more basic headphones. My hifiman headphones don’t change much, but they definitely seem more neutral. I still prefer them without eq for listening to music, but for monitoring this software is quite a bargain

    On iOS it’s one of a kind and on desktop it’s a great deal compared to similar software.

  • For the 7506s, I really hear the difference in the high end when I add Morphit and some correction in the low end too. I’ve honestly had a bit of trouble mixing the low end still with just Morphit and got a lot of improvements when I added CanOpener in front of Morphit

  • edited February 20

    It does make a more neutral profile. But the so called headphone simulation on this is completely nonsense, it doesn’t sound like it at all. I have the Beyerdynamic DT700 Pro X and the Austrian Audio Hi-X55 on view, comparing these with each other but simulating each other.. I don’t think so!

    Having a hard time choosing between these 2 headphones, they are both so good.

  • Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

    You can do a custom profile where you can add the curves yourself but they have been responsive to requests if you get ahold of them on their support page https://www.toneboosters.com/support.html#anchor_contact

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

    I highly recommend you to go for Pro-Q 3 instead and create your own profile from the Oratory settings.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/#wiki_full_list_of_eq_settings.3A
    Beats Pro is on the list.

  • TB Morphit sounds really off. i can't use it whereas sonarworks sound ID i use on the PC works really well.

  • @Slush said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

    I highly recommend you to go for Pro-Q 3 instead and create your own profile from the Oratory settings.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/#wiki_full_list_of_eq_settings.3A
    Beats Pro is on the list.

    +1.
    Or any fully parametric EQ like the TB Equalizer or Drambo or the free LRC7...

  • @rs2000 said:

    @Slush said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

    I highly recommend you to go for Pro-Q 3 instead and create your own profile from the Oratory settings.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/#wiki_full_list_of_eq_settings.3A
    Beats Pro is on the list.

    +1.
    Or any fully parametric EQ like the TB Equalizer or Drambo or the free LRC7...

    That’s right your dRambo project worked . I will need to locate the frequencies > @Slush said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

    I highly recommend you to go for Pro-Q 3 instead and create your own profile from the Oratory settings.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/#wiki_full_list_of_eq_settings.3A
    Beats Pro is on the list.

    Thanks ; I have dRambo and morphit already and fab filter is out of my budget for the use . > @Fingolfinzz said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Is there a way to import or add the frequency response for headphones that aren’t on the list yet, like Beats Studio pro ? Or how do you ask TB to perhaps add them to their list?

    You can do a custom profile where you can add the curves yourself but they have been responsive to requests if you get ahold of them on their support page https://www.toneboosters.com/support.html#anchor_contact

    Thanks I just requested them to do studio pro. Surprised they didn’t do it already ; they’ve been out since july

  • I am thinking how one is supposed too use this for mixing if one is doing a live mixdown and adjusting things in AUM or similar because if it's on the master, the Morphit we curve goes to the master recording too.

  • @Antos3345 said:
    I am thinking how one is supposed too use this for mixing if one is doing a live mixdown and adjusting things in AUM or similar because if it's on the master, the Morphit we curve goes to the master recording too.

    I always record live, but I make sure all adjustments/programming and so on are done with headphone correction (I use an EQ for that). When I start recording I switch it off.

  • @Antos3345 said:
    I am thinking how one is supposed too use this for mixing if one is doing a live mixdown and adjusting things in AUM or similar because if it's on the master, the Morphit we curve goes to the master recording too.

    You could set the master output to a mix bus with morphit on as an fx, then just record the master track.

  • edited June 15

    @GrimLucky said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    I am thinking how one is supposed too use this for mixing if one is doing a live mixdown and adjusting things in AUM or similar because if it's on the master, the Morphit we curve goes to the master recording too.

    You could set the master output to a mix bus with morphit on as an fx, then just record the master track.

    Yeah, I was thinking of doing something similar to that to bypass the Morphit eq. I think like a double.

    Thanks for the tip;)

  • Thanks for that post @Slush
    I’m going to try to make my own eq for my lcd-x using the link you posted

  • @cvwonder said:
    Thanks for that post @Slush
    I’m going to try to make my own eq for my lcd-x using the link you posted

    In case you use Pro-EQ, make sure to recalculate the Oratory Q-factor settings with this tool: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oJaetGmqsXieYy7EdztIco3bXQHqFsoXqDfyYj5s7V8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

  • I bought it years ago but found using Morphit on desktop to be confusing. When I'm listening to music for enjoyment I don't have Morphit on, so when I load Morphit on the master bus of my own recordings, nothing I've learned and come to understand about my headphones applies anymore. I uninstalled it, it works fine but it doesn't fit with my flow.

  • On the Mac you can use audio plugins on the main output with Rogue Amoeba’s SoundSource.

  • @abf said:
    I bought it years ago but found using Morphit on desktop to be confusing. When I'm listening to music for enjoyment I don't have Morphit on, so when I load Morphit on the master bus of my own recordings, nothing I've learned and come to understand about my headphones applies anymore. I uninstalled it, it works fine but it doesn't fit with my flow.

    Which is the point that knowing your monitoring is more important than what the monitoring is (it’s the listener, duh).

  • @mistercharlie said:
    On the Mac you can use audio plugins on the main output with Rogue Amoeba’s SoundSource.

    Thanks, good to know, I've only used AudioHijack so far.

  • edited June 19

    @GrimLucky said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    I am thinking how one is supposed too use this for mixing if one is doing a live mixdown and adjusting things in AUM or similar because if it's on the master, the Morphit we curve goes to the master recording too.

    You could set the master output to a mix bus with morphit on as an fx, then just record

    Works well :)

  • I dont get Morphit either.

    Superlux 681 in another thread are said to be bassy. So you dial back bass but when you re-listen. Song lacks bass. This is without Morphit

    but Morphit perhaps makes 681 more bassy still ( or mids etc )

    Even at 70% morph.

    So dont know whether to buy 681 again. Or 681b which dosent have a morphit profile but a poster thinks they do mixes well because of bass.

    Another superlux ( which dont last long )

    but buying for now.

  • Choose profile. 70%. Correction

    Is the settings

    and just going by a poster saying any superlux apart from 681b are too bassy. So you end up taking out too much bass.

    Seems Morphit adds bass, unless its not as is mids lol.

    Perhaps Id just buy the 681b ? but would have the option to buy both from shop to not pay delivery but dont really want to keep buying these headphones.

  • edited August 16

    @sigma79 try the Oratory eq settings for your Superlux, maybe it works out better https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/

    It’s not easy to buy a headphone which has a neutral ’out of the box’ frequency response. About 6 months ago I bought the Beyerdynamic DT770 which is considered to be a studio headphone, but without eq is has a seriously colored sound, big bass, mid scoop, elevated highs. My newest purchase is the open back Roland RH-A30 and sounds so much better, way more balanced. I don’t know what your budget is, but try to find a headphone with a reasonable neutral profile that needs little correction if needed. ATH-M40x is more or less a neutral headphone too, not super expensive and considered to be more a studio headphone than its popular bigger brother the ATH-M50x (which has the same issues as the DT770). Off course none of these options are cheap as the Superlux is. Unfortunately as all things in life you get what you pay for.

  • @Slush said:
    @sigma79 try the Oratory eq settings for your Superlux, maybe it works out better https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/

    It’s not easy to buy a headphone which has a neutral ’out of the box’ frequency response. About 6 months ago I bought the Beyerdynamic DT770 which is considered to be a studio headphone, but without eq is has a seriously colored sound, big bass, mid scoop, elevated highs. My newest purchase is the open back Roland RH-A30 and sounds so much better, way more balanced. I don’t know what your budget is, but try to find a headphone with a reasonable neutral profile that needs little correction if needed. ATH-M40x is more or less a neutral headphone too, not super expensive and considered to be more a studio headphone than its popular bigger brother the ATH-M50x (which has the same issues as the DT770). Off course none of these options are cheap as the Superlux is. Unfortunately as all things in life you get what you pay for.

    Cheers Slush.

    Might buy the Rolands.

    See them as rated well before.

    Kinda wanted to see if my audio4c were damaging heaphones also. The noise to headphones if not unplugged, when turning on/off etc.

  • @sigma79 said:

    @Slush said:
    @sigma79 try the Oratory eq settings for your Superlux, maybe it works out better https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/

    It’s not easy to buy a headphone which has a neutral ’out of the box’ frequency response. About 6 months ago I bought the Beyerdynamic DT770 which is considered to be a studio headphone, but without eq is has a seriously colored sound, big bass, mid scoop, elevated highs. My newest purchase is the open back Roland RH-A30 and sounds so much better, way more balanced. I don’t know what your budget is, but try to find a headphone with a reasonable neutral profile that needs little correction if needed. ATH-M40x is more or less a neutral headphone too, not super expensive and considered to be more a studio headphone than its popular bigger brother the ATH-M50x (which has the same issues as the DT770). Off course none of these options are cheap as the Superlux is. Unfortunately as all things in life you get what you pay for.

    Cheers Slush.

    Might buy the Rolands.

    See them as rated well before.

    Kinda wanted to see if my audio4c were damaging heaphones also. The noise to headphones if not unplugged, when turning on/off etc.

    Great thing is, the Roland has the soft velvet earpads, like the Beyers. Most have the pleather earpads. I am wearing glasses and pleather is less forgiving for seal breaking. I used to have the Austrian Audio Hi-X60 for a few weeks, super great detailed headphones but when the seal gets broken just even a tiny bit it completely drains the bass energy. The Roland is perfect.

  • @Slush said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @Slush said:
    @sigma79 try the Oratory eq settings for your Superlux, maybe it works out better https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/

    It’s not easy to buy a headphone which has a neutral ’out of the box’ frequency response. About 6 months ago I bought the Beyerdynamic DT770 which is considered to be a studio headphone, but without eq is has a seriously colored sound, big bass, mid scoop, elevated highs. My newest purchase is the open back Roland RH-A30 and sounds so much better, way more balanced. I don’t know what your budget is, but try to find a headphone with a reasonable neutral profile that needs little correction if needed. ATH-M40x is more or less a neutral headphone too, not super expensive and considered to be more a studio headphone than its popular bigger brother the ATH-M50x (which has the same issues as the DT770). Off course none of these options are cheap as the Superlux is. Unfortunately as all things in life you get what you pay for.

    Cheers Slush.

    Might buy the Rolands.

    See them as rated well before.

    Kinda wanted to see if my audio4c were damaging heaphones also. The noise to headphones if not unplugged, when turning on/off etc.

    Great thing is, the Roland has the soft velvet earpads, like the Beyers. Most have the pleather earpads. I am wearing glasses and pleather is less forgiving for seal breaking. I used to have the Austrian Audio Hi-X60 for a few weeks, super great detailed headphones but when the seal gets broken just even a tiny bit it completely drains the bass energy. The Roland is perfect.

    Thanks.

    Think I will defo buy.

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