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What Sequencer? Import midi clip-launcher 🚀
On a rail trip to Scotland tomorrow.
NEEDED: Import midi files, midi clip-launching & shift octave/semitone of clips.
NICE IF FEATURES: Conditional trigs/generative, scale filtering/approximation, swing per clip.
WHY?.. I’ve got bunch of midi files from different songs and am working on which ones mash up good son, i.e. swapping out the different parts. Scaler or Drambo can do the scale filtering, and I can use Drambo to do the trigs.
What’s an app you like to do this please
Âż LK Matrix, Atom, riffer, ooda, xynthesizr, Xequencer, cykle, zoa, modstep, a daw?
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No one thing has all you’re asking for
LK might be the closest
Look to Riffer for generative
Or 4pockets Progressions which has a strum and really nice “arp” - which is actually more of a riff player
Conditional anything get Drambo getting midi in and out of it using AU can be down but it’s a bit of a faff (sound for more has vids)
Atom does really nice midi manipulations which can be non destructive or undone
Atom is nice as a clip launcher midi player as well
Atom looks nice, missing import midi as far as I can find, and playing in midi for 50 songs is what I’m trying to avoid.
Yes.. LK Matrix feeding into Drambo looks like a choice atm. thanks @audiblevideo
Atom 2 can import midi files:
I am very bad at Atom, but even I have managed to import midi clips into it.
AUv3 - but not much by way of generative stuff
Atom 1 - does not import midi, just making the distinction.
Atom 2 - probably best bet - swing, generative velocity, clip launch, just no generative notes.
Helium
LK with Matrix Unlock
Photon
IAA or standalone
Xequence 2 - best non AU option - fits great - developer has AU on the roadmap but no timeline.
Maybe
Musk Midi Player, no generative
DAW
Sequincism - free midi daw, but not some of your nice if features.
Nanostudio 2 - midi DAW
DAW
Pretty much every one imports midi if it has midi.
@jollyDodger
What host or daw are you working in? Cause the answer will definitely vary depending on how you are working?
I don't have atom, so I can't precise what's its features
But Drambo + LK pairing may be what you want
I imagine Drambo doing clip triggering using it's conditions. LK is the midi clip playground being activated by Drambo, but sending midi back to Drambo, which in turn can use internal or external audio sources.
Tried importing a .mid file from Beatonal into Drambo. Not working for me. Maybe i'm an ass and don't know how to do it
I think 4Pockets Helium is the closest to what you're after. It has the best import, browse, and audition of all the apps I know of. Check YouTube videos about it first though because it might not be what you're after in other ways.
Drambo doesn't support midi import.
Heliums midi media bay looks great.. perfect to pair with scaler. Will investigate. ta++
Thanks I must of been looking at atom one’s specs or something.
At home I drive a groove box, or hardware sequencer, just so I can torture my self.
Thanks for the feedback. That's what I thought too
Why get LK and feed it into Drambo?
Drambo is a perfectly good clip launcher that has the trigs you wanted.
You can record midi by putting Drambo inside Drambo - see SFM YouTube
The OP was about importing and auditioning a bunch of midi clips. Drambo doesn't do that. Some other midi clip player that supports importing is needed.
LK can’t continually generate (that I know of) but you can generate melody and chords with it in a clip along with mutation
Beatonal has core/virtual midi out too, not sure how to set up in Drambo but in AUM it’s relatively straightforward.
Actually I was just trying to quickly generate a .mid file to open in Drambo
But Drambo doesn't support it. But importing in LK and making LK and Drambo talk works nicely
Actually you can continually generate new melodies. Under the clip follow actions tab, you have an option "Transform Actions". There, you have actions (generate, mutate, mirror, etc) that will be applied to clip notes every time the clip loops. If you have a scale defined in that clip, you can generate new melodies over time, or even mutate the current one, that will always be in tune
Hell yeah, thanks! It keeps blowing me away with all its features
No crap. I only unlocked LK Matrix a few months ago when they had that huge anniversary sale, and haven’t dug that deep into it yet, thanks for pointing this out @xglax
I’m in the same LK boat with you
They sure put in tons of work since it was first released - mini Ableton at this point
So spent about 3 to 4 hours using LK matrix and Drambo together.
Really really liked LK matrix (also helped that I had bought it previously). Lost an hour of my life, working out that when bridging midi over iOS rather than AUM you have to deselect/select the source in LK (after the third track). Otherwise the midi link just fails.
LK is a tight simple UI with lots of features, and does the job without fuss. I can see using it with a Launchpad as a effective and efficient clip/midi launcher.
Thanks for all your responses good audiob peeps
pax
you can record from lk into drambo clip without quantosation if clip is not longer than Drambo offer , I know it is as is, you decide
EDIT: I have ~ self prepared mid files with about 60 bars each, drum patterns, not for playing but rather as tool to remind me some rhytmes, and I find nice to have it all in Helium (folders), but my goto sequencer is Atom and possibly Drambo, or both because these offer „legato style” keep phrase during swich pattern/clip if you understand what I want to say. in LK when you trigger clip it always start from beginning, Atom and Drambo allow for different behavior. I didnt tested how great is to use helium and if it allow to swich clips (parts of sequence) with staying in phase offset during playback, and how much it is cpu hungry. I like Helium gui and editable lanes of controllers.
Tried Helium and Drambo for a day. The midi library is a joy, as is the basic note/channel ui. I was able to import 30 songs into Drambo via helium, change the channel, and move drum notes in less than a few hours.
I greedily wanted to be able to select all of the same notes on a row quicker, like on the MPC with a single click. It behaved a little wierd in Drambo, needing to reset the sync on each new song, the midi ports not defaulting to 1(while many midi chans together not working on port 1) and lastly the last midi note off on stop in Drambo held the last note for a second or so…. but nothing that stumped me and I couldn’t figure an immediate workaround. Would of also wanted a larger built in choice of a midi classical and jazz standards in the library, and not just chords progressions. That would be amazing. But not having a midi clip launcher is the main reason this app is for me this a utility rather than a main tool.
I cannot stress how easy note and midi I/o is in Helium. It’s very functional, good value, and quick to learn, highly recommend.
Does Atom2 have a Maschine style non linear “idea’s mode” clip launcher? i.e. you can remember selections of clips from multiple rows to make up the different sections of a song.
No.
It doesn’t have a clip launcher per-se. You can set something like that up by using an separate Atom instance to send notes to launch clips in other instances though.
Ok thx Wim. So in summary, on iOS, and using a single instance, LK and Drambo are the main Au3 midi/sample clip launchers, and they both have both linear abelton style. And nothing has a Maschine linear + a non-linear ideas/song mode yet.