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VAPoly - 8 Voice Polyphonic Synthesizer - Sounds Fantastic - Demo for the iPad

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  • edited August 2022

    @Slush said:
    From the short period of time I messed with the presets I love the analog sound.

    For example (and some of you fine people might disagree with me), the Yonac synths are on sale I did some research on them and listened to a few YouTubes, and maybe not the best way to judge, but from what I hear it just doesn’t do it for me, like there’s an artificial layer over it. The VAPoly sounds so convincing, like comparing a compact disk vs a vinyl record. You can’t describe it, you know it when you hear it.

    https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=189716

    “In general, when someone touts they have an OTA based filter, it usually means it has a “warm” sound…”

    https://learningmodular.com/glossary/ota/

  • How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

  • @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

  • Someone please post some audio or a video demonstrating your favorite features. I'm a bit on the fence on this one (but the macOS cross-compatibility is a huge plus).

  • @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

  • @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

  • @Gribs said:

    @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

    Doing a side by side, I find VAPoly to be more analogue-sounding than Flowtones but that is my ears…

  • @Gribs said:

    @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

    Yeah, nothing on my tablet or PC can ever replace the Nova I got earlier this month. Not even Surge and similar plugins can perfectly replicate its sound. I also did buy the RT apps, and VA Poly is the most vintage-sounding synth I've heard synth Zeeon. My iPad Air 3 can run at least 8 instances of it (or up to 16 in Cubasis multicore mode). The polysynth won't open properly in Nanostudio.

  • @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Gribs said:

    @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

    Yeah, nothing on my tablet or PC can ever replace the Nova I got earlier this month. Not even Surge and similar plugins can perfectly replicate its sound. I also did buy the RT apps, and VA Poly is the most vintage-sounding synth I've heard synth Zeeon. My iPad Air 3 can run at least 8 instances of it (or up to 16 in Cubasis multicore mode). The polysynth won't open properly in Nanostudio.

    I concur, Zeeon sounds amazing too!

  • edited August 2022

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:

    @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

    Doing a side by side, I find VAPoly to be more analogue-sounding than Flowtones but that is my ears…

    Thanks for the OTA info Mike, very interesting. It seems to be the special sauce here, and since we are still talking, using and emulating these old Roland devices, they must have done something right with that ingredient :)

    About Flowtones, I think you are right. I don’t own it, seems a really-really beautiful hq synth and I watched the demos when it came out, but hesitated as, again (to me) there is something ‘authentic and real’ in that sound missing that is so present in this synth.
    I know @Gavinski raved about the TfxEcho delay app, and how it outperformed DubStation 2, so I’m definitely going to investigate more of Ryo Togawa’s stuff. I have a feeling his VADrum app might be a faithful replica of some kind of TR-drummachine(s)..

  • I don’t necessarily want to say it outperforms Dubstation 2 - its not a typical BBD delay. It is the cleanest and most transparent-sounding delay I have heard on iOS though - all depends what you are looking for!

    @Slush said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:

    @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

    Doing a side by side, I find VAPoly to be more analogue-sounding than Flowtones but that is my ears…

    Thanks for the OTA info Mike, very interesting. It seems to be the special sauce here, and since we are still talking, using and emulating these old Roland devices, they must have done something right with that ingredient :)

    About Flowtones, I think you are right. I don’t own it, seems a really-really beautiful hq synth and I watched the demos when it came out, but hesitated as, again (to me) there is something ‘authentic and real’ in that sound missing that is so present in this synth.
    I know @Gavinski raved about the TfxEcho delay app, and how it outperformed DubStation 2, so I’m definitely going to investigate more of Ryo Togawa’s stuff. I have a feeling his VADrum app might be a faithful replica of some kind of TR-drummachine(s)..

  • @Slush said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:

    @frosttrance_7 said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @Gribs said:
    How does this compare to TB Flowtones? I bought that as my “simple” (not simple) VA.

    I have Flowtones, but haven’t gone deep into yet.
    They both have a nice analog sound though.

    But the Flowtones filter does not self-oscillate. I haven't tried VA Poly, but I find Flowtones to have a nice, punchy and silky sound. Apart from the filter, it sounds pretty close to my Novation Nova. Even the ring modulation is similar!

    Got it. Thanks, folks. I had a Supernova 2 rack for a while. I regret selling that one.

    Doing a side by side, I find VAPoly to be more analogue-sounding than Flowtones but that is my ears…

    Thanks for the OTA info Mike, very interesting. It seems to be the special sauce here, and since we are still talking, using and emulating these old Roland devices, they must have done something right with that ingredient :)

    About Flowtones, I think you are right. I don’t own it, seems a really-really beautiful hq synth and I watched the demos when it came out, but hesitated as, again (to me) there is something ‘authentic and real’ in that sound missing that is so present in this synth.
    I know @Gavinski raved about the TfxEcho delay app, and how it outperformed DubStation 2, so I’m definitely going to investigate more of Ryo Togawa’s stuff. I have a feeling his VADrum app might be a faithful replica of some kind of TR-drummachine(s)..

    Flowtones is capable of some incredible sounds but you have to work a bit to get them. There’s a huge choice of oscillator sounds and styles and loads of interesting modulation options. The included fx are also super high spec.

    Ive bought and had a play with VA Poly and it’s definitely a secret sauce kinda deal. Sounds great!

  • Ok, weird bug. Can anyone else who bought this and has AUM please check this:

    1. Use an empty AUM project
    2. Add an audio channel
    3. Add VAPoly as input
    4. Open VAPoly and select the Bass 1 preset
    5. Press any key on the internal keyboard
    6. The sound should sustain as expected
    7. Now press play in AUMs transport bar
    8. Press any key on the keyboard again
    9. The sound only sustains one bar and then cuts of and the key on the internal keyboard is no longer displayed as pressed

    The sound also cuts of if you use AUMs internal keyboard...
    Just wanna make sure the problem isn't on my end before I report it to the developer...

  • @lasselu

    I've just reported something very similar with cubasis 3.

    When you press play on the cubasis transport, notes with a long attack, like strings and pads play some notes like legato is enabled.

    It works fine until the transport is active. Also notes cut their sustain when the transport loops.

  • Ok, I'll report it as well...

  • I received an email back from Ryo.

    This issue should hopefully be resolved in the next update.

  • edited August 2022

    To my ear, most of the time it sounds like a Juno. A lot of the timbres have a fizziness to them that I remember from my Juno 6. Not a bad thing, but on the Juno it got a bit samey.

  • @timforsyth said:
    I received an email back from Ryo.

    This issue should hopefully be resolved in the next update.

    Yeah, me too...thumbs up to the developer...

  • I can load the app on my M1 App but it fails Logic Pro validation.

  • Sound great but it’s iOS 15.2+ only…. my music devices are in 14 and 13… this one and mela 3 seem to be one of the few AUv3 with that requeriments, I emailed support to bring compability with earlier iOS versions

  • I only seem to be able to store presets in iCloud. I don’t want that, for now I’m storing in Apematrix. How can I store just a preset locally on my iPad and not in that iDrama I switched off anyway?

  • Wtf, how does the filter sound this good? I just got this a couple hours ago and my mind is blown lol

  • Hi, i bought this synth when it release back in Sept.

    I still can't use it properly with my MIDI Keyboard. Everytime i press the keys, automatically sustain all the notes even that i'm not using the sustain pedal. But when i use internal keyboard (AUM) works OK :)

    Any idea what's happening? Someone have similar problem?

  • @raimundoarriagada said:
    Hi, i bought this synth when it release back in Sept.

    I still can't use it properly with my MIDI Keyboard. Everytime i press the keys, automatically sustain all the notes even that i'm not using the sustain pedal. But when i use internal keyboard (AUM) works OK :)

    Any idea what's happening? Someone have similar problem?

    It could have something to do with how the app in question reacts to note-off & note on with zero velocity messages.

    ...there are two ways in midi-land to do note off. One is to do a 'real' note off and another is a note on with zero velocity.
    (In the Midi Spec, both methods should be implemented in hardware and software).

    So it could be that the Midi controller you are using only sends a real Note Offs while the app only responds to Velocity 0 as a note off. (AUM onscreen keyboard uses the Zero Velocity method for Note Off while KB-1 app uses Note Off if I remember correctly).

    This would explain why the notes 'hang' when you use your controller since it never sends a Velocity 0 when you release the note.

    I'd suggest getting in touch with the developer as this is a clear example failing note-off handling.

    Cheers!

  • @Samu said:

    @raimundoarriagada said:
    Hi, i bought this synth when it release back in Sept.

    I still can't use it properly with my MIDI Keyboard. Everytime i press the keys, automatically sustain all the notes even that i'm not using the sustain pedal. But when i use internal keyboard (AUM) works OK :)

    Any idea what's happening? Someone have similar problem?

    It could have something to do with how the app in question reacts to note-off & note on with zero velocity messages.

    ...there are two ways in midi-land to do note off. One is to do a 'real' note off and another is a note on with zero velocity.
    (In the Midi Spec, both methods should be implemented in hardware and software).

    So it could be that the Midi controller you are using only sends a real Note Offs while the app only responds to Velocity 0 as a note off. (AUM onscreen keyboard uses the Zero Velocity method for Note Off while KB-1 app uses Note Off if I remember correctly).

    This would explain why the notes 'hang' when you use your controller since it never sends a Velocity 0 when you release the note.

    I'd suggest getting in touch with the developer as this is a clear example failing note-off handling.

    Cheers!

    Hey, thanks a lot Samu :)

    I will check it out, is the first time that this happend with an App and my controller (StudioLogic SL73 Studio).

    So i will send an e-mail or something to them.

  • @raimundoarriagada said:

    @Samu said:

    @raimundoarriagada said:
    Hi, i bought this synth when it release back in Sept.

    I still can't use it properly with my MIDI Keyboard. Everytime i press the keys, automatically sustain all the notes even that i'm not using the sustain pedal. But when i use internal keyboard (AUM) works OK :)

    Any idea what's happening? Someone have similar problem?

    It could have something to do with how the app in question reacts to note-off & note on with zero velocity messages.

    ...there are two ways in midi-land to do note off. One is to do a 'real' note off and another is a note on with zero velocity.
    (In the Midi Spec, both methods should be implemented in hardware and software).

    So it could be that the Midi controller you are using only sends a real Note Offs while the app only responds to Velocity 0 as a note off. (AUM onscreen keyboard uses the Zero Velocity method for Note Off while KB-1 app uses Note Off if I remember correctly).

    This would explain why the notes 'hang' when you use your controller since it never sends a Velocity 0 when you release the note.

    I'd suggest getting in touch with the developer as this is a clear example failing note-off handling.

    Cheers!

    Hey, thanks a lot Samu :)

    I will check it out, is the first time that this happend with an App and my controller (StudioLogic SL73 Studio).

    So i will send an e-mail or something to them.

    Meanwhile, Streambyter can convert Note Offs to Velocity 0s until a fix happens.

  • @TheOriginalPaulB said:

    @raimundoarriagada said:

    @Samu said:

    @raimundoarriagada said:
    Hi, i bought this synth when it release back in Sept.

    I still can't use it properly with my MIDI Keyboard. Everytime i press the keys, automatically sustain all the notes even that i'm not using the sustain pedal. But when i use internal keyboard (AUM) works OK :)

    Any idea what's happening? Someone have similar problem?

    It could have something to do with how the app in question reacts to note-off & note on with zero velocity messages.

    ...there are two ways in midi-land to do note off. One is to do a 'real' note off and another is a note on with zero velocity.
    (In the Midi Spec, both methods should be implemented in hardware and software).

    So it could be that the Midi controller you are using only sends a real Note Offs while the app only responds to Velocity 0 as a note off. (AUM onscreen keyboard uses the Zero Velocity method for Note Off while KB-1 app uses Note Off if I remember correctly).

    This would explain why the notes 'hang' when you use your controller since it never sends a Velocity 0 when you release the note.

    I'd suggest getting in touch with the developer as this is a clear example failing note-off handling.

    Cheers!

    Hey, thanks a lot Samu :)

    I will check it out, is the first time that this happend with an App and my controller (StudioLogic SL73 Studio).

    So i will send an e-mail or something to them.

    Meanwhile, Streambyter can convert Note Offs to Velocity 0s until a fix happens.

    Thanks! :) no money for apps this month but i will have it as an option :) btw....

    "Hi Raimundo,

    Thank you for let me know. I will fix the problem for the next update.

    Best Regards,

    Ryo Togawa"

    They are going to fix it for next update :)

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