The Best Beat Juggling app ever made is NOT for sale | haQ attaQ

jakoB_haQ

Let me show why Amen Break Generator the best Beat Juggling app ever made! It is time that someone brings this app back from the 32 bit app graveyard.

haQattaQ

EDIT - Friday September 2 - 12:39 UTC

EDIT 2 Friday Semptemper 2 - 15:49 UTC

After getting comments from users on various platforms I’ve tried a few more apps. However, so far I have not found one that can produce the AmenBreak Gen behaviour.**

Grooverider - SUCCESS!

With help from @rs2000 and @FordTimeLord i have been able to setup a beat juggling session. The trick is to use the slicer and sequencer. You take a 2 bar loop and then setup the sequence to play at half the sample/loop speed. So if the sample is 160BPM set Grooverider to 80BPM. You then setup a sequence where every slice plays one after another and then you switch to JUMP mode. You can now Beat Juggle ala AmenBreak Gen with pads being quantised to 8ths.
Check this!

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SEGMENTS by Elliot Garage
I’ve tried segments now but unfortunately I’d does not have any quantisation for the playback. And the quantisation is a major point for me.
Plus it cannot continuously loop the entire sample the same way that Amenbreak gen does when using the “thru” mode. So no luck there I’m afraid.

Drambo
I’ve tried setting up a flexi sampler and I’ve managed to load the break and add slice points. I. Trying to figure out the rest so no luck just yet.

Loopy pro
This is the one that is absolutely closest to the thing I need.
It can loop the entire sample at all times and there is a slicing mode that does what I need as far as “play points” go. It’s even easy to setup a 2x8 pad grid that allows for triggering and it even shows the playback animation of slice points. However, the problem is that I haven’t been able to setup a “through” mode for the slice points.

I’ve written to Michael and he said that Loopy Pro can do almost all of the things that AmenBreak generator can do, which is great to hear. However, he acknowledged that the playback mode does not work like that and that he’ll consider adding such a mode in the future. So no luck right now, but maybe in the future.

Quantisation with Mozaic script (SEGMENTS and KB-1)
It works but it’s kinda “finicky” and doesn’t trigger properly. There’s a lot of micromanagement I have to do in moving lplaypoints”/slice points. I’m also getting weird syncing with Segments and sometimes it just bugs out slightly. This is way to contrived to have to deal with and it kills the “flow”. I tried setting it up with the same loops that are in AmenBreak and the feeling just isn’t there. It’s a good attempt and it could possibly work with some adjustments. But it’s stuff like this that I want to avoid when it comes to setups for beat juggling.

Huge thanks to everyone that has been coming up with advice and tips so far.

bleep

It is a good one, but no mention of GlitchCore auv3?

FPC

90's junglist here! Would love this. I'd definitely pay for an updated version.

Who's the dev? Still around?

michael_m

Not sure if I’m missing something, but can’t you do this with any beat slicer?

jakoB_haQ

@michael_m said:
Not sure if I’m missing something, but can’t you do this with any beat slicer?

Can you mention some slicers that you’re thinking of?

jakoB_haQ

@FPC said:
90's junglist here! Would love this. I'd definitely pay for an updated version.

Who's the dev? Still around?

I Don’t think so. I haven’t heard anything but I can’t be 100% sure.

jakoB_haQ

@bleep said:
It is a good one, but no mention of GlitchCore auv3?

I don’t feel that it fits the topic since it’s an effect unit. I wanted to focus on playable instruments.

iammane

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacekdojwa/?originalSubdomain=pl Jacek is the dev. This app was great. I was also a BIG fan of Loop Twister. These both died in the 32bit Appocalypse.

https://studioamplify.com/junglator/ - Junglator was also AMAZING. I could spend 30 minutes easy just messing around on here during my commute. An app that did stuff like this but AUv3 would be great, or even one that was just a little more connected. The video is missing from the website, but I found this

jakoB_haQ

@iammane said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacekdojwa/?originalSubdomain=pl Jacek is the dev. This app was great. I was also a BIG fan of Loop Twister. These both died in the 32bit Appocalypse.

https://studioamplify.com/junglator/ - Junglator was also AMAZING. I could spend 30 minutes easy just messing around on here during my commute. An app that did stuff like this but AUv3 would be great, or even one that was just a little more connected. The video is missing from the website, but I found this

I still have jumglator on the iPad mini 1 (same iPad with AmenBreak gen on). Played with it during while I was making the video. It’s lovely.

MarkR

@iammane said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacekdojwa/?originalSubdomain=pl Jacek is the dev. This app was great. I was also a BIG fan of Loop Twister. These both died in the 32bit Appocalypse.

...

I loved Loop Twister! Still have it on my iPad3, which still works but I don't use it anymore. I should fire it up for nostalgia's sake...

sveinbjorn

I’m astounded that this functionality isn’t in anything else. Retriggering sliced loops. You’d think therewould be at least one loop slicer that did it.

michael_m

@jakoB_haQ said:

@michael_m said:
Not sure if I’m missing something, but can’t you do this with any beat slicer?

Can you mention some slicers that you’re thinking of?

I’m not really sure, as I don’t do much beat slicing myself - I just wasn’t sure what this app does that various beat slicers don’t do.

Montreal_Music

What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

rs2000

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

Blipsford_Baubie

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

That’s what i was thinking too, in conjunction with Xeq pads.
One loop per Koala bank. I just checked to see if the choke group can span banks, and it seems so, but me wife’s asleep, can’t verify. A few times I have edited Xeq pads in the past to change the number of pads, but for the life of me, I can’t figure it out this moment.
Will Xequence pads let you create an 8x8 grid? If so, then yeah, we should achieve that functionality. And Xeq pads can send CCs too.

Identor

I think Jungle/breakbeat/D&B style quantised loop triggering can be achieved with the Drambo Flexi sampler, where you can trigger slices and set to continue the sample from that slice on with loop repeat.

jakoB_haQ

@michael_m said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@michael_m said:
Not sure if I’m missing something, but can’t you do this with any beat slicer?

Can you mention some slicers that you’re thinking of?

I’m not really sure, as I don’t do much beat slicing myself - I just wasn’t sure what this app does that various beat slicers don’t do.

What I’ve tried so far hasn’t worked due to not having an ability to quantise my triggering. Also even though a slicer has a “through” type trigger mode, there’s no way of getting the entire loop to continuously loop. I’ve run into stop with everything I’ve tried.

The app that comes closest to the exact functionality is loopy pro, however the trigger doesn’t do “through”. Whenever you trigger something it plays a slice and then still follows the sequence. So it’s impossible to get it to juggle. I’ve talked to Michael and I’m hoping he can add a mode for it.

jakoB_haQ

@Identor said:
I think Jungle/breakbeat/D&B style quantised loop triggering can be achieved with the Drambo Flexi sampler, where you can trigger slices and set to continue the sample from that slice on with loop repeat.

How would you set this up?

I’ve added a flexi and loaded Amenbreak loop. I A bit at a loss for the rest. Is there a mode where the pads don’t act like a keyboard. Can they be linked up to the different slice parts instead?

jakoB_haQ

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

FordTimeLord

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

The slices in Grooverider play ‘through’ by default, I think.

I reckon two racks of the same break might be the way to go though. Slice the break into 16ths or 8ths and have one track just playing each slice in order. The second track is a duplicate but with no sequence set up. Have it choke the first track. So you play extra hits on the pads but the first sequence keeps going and picks up again when you stop playing the pads.

rs2000

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
And it offers another little goodie:
By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

Identor

@jakoB_haQ said:

@Identor said:
I think Jungle/breakbeat/D&B style quantised loop triggering can be achieved with the Drambo Flexi sampler, where you can trigger slices and set to continue the sample from that slice on with loop repeat.

How would you set this up?

I’ve added a flexi and loaded Amenbreak loop. I A bit at a loss for the rest. Is there a mode where the pads don’t act like a keyboard. Can they be linked up to the different slice parts instead?

I'm not an expert in Drambo either, but i had managed to sequence 4 flexi samplers with euclidean (4 channels):

Maybe there's a way to use a Midi-AU control surface where the slices could correspond to pads or something, but again, i'm not an expert related to Drambo

PS: here's a link where @espiegel123 sliced samples with Loopy Pro in a good way:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1104675#Comment_1104675

FordTimeLord

@rs2000 said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
And it offers another little goodie:
By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

Jump mode is great but it’s not quite the same thing as the video. The jump mode sequence carries on from where you tap. The app in the video has kind of decoupled the sequencer from the user taps.

rs2000

@FordTimeLord said:

@rs2000 said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
And it offers another little goodie:
By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

Jump mode is great but it’s not quite the same thing as the video. The jump mode sequence carries on from where you tap. The app in the video has kind of decoupled the sequencer from the user taps.

True. I've never missed that though. I personally prefer triggering slices from the piano roll and juggling slices by moving notes up and down. This will keep the rest of the sequence in sync (de-coupled as you say) and record my experiments at the same time.

FordTimeLord

@rs2000 said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@rs2000 said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
And it offers another little goodie:
By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

Jump mode is great but it’s not quite the same thing as the video. The jump mode sequence carries on from where you tap. The app in the video has kind of decoupled the sequencer from the user taps.

True. I've never missed that though. I personally prefer triggering slices from the piano roll and juggling slices by moving notes up and down. This will keep the rest of the sequence in sync (de-coupled as you say) and record my experiments at the same time.

Agreed, I do the same. Moving hits around with that jog wheel makes it all very fluid to work with.

jakoB_haQ

@FordTimeLord said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

The slices in Grooverider play ‘through’ by default, I think.

I reckon two racks of the same break might be the way to go though. Slice the break into 16ths or 8ths and have one track just playing each slice in order. The second track is a duplicate but with no sequence set up. Have it choke the first track. So you play extra hits on the pads but the first sequence keeps going and picks up again when you stop playing the pads.

This could actually work. It’s more setup than I’d like but it sounds good.

Just one question. How do I switch the function of the pads. Right now they’re momentary, meaning I have to hold them down in order to play. I want to switch them to “trigger” so I only need to hit them to activate.

NoiseHorse

@jakoB_haQ you know thanks to you “Beat Juggler” will soon be released by somebody…

jakoB_haQ

@FordTimeLord said:

@rs2000 said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
And it offers another little goodie:
By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

Jump mode is great but it’s not quite the same thing as the video. The jump mode sequence carries on from where you tap. The app in the video has kind of decoupled the sequencer from the user taps.

Wait a minute.
AmenBreak Gen does behave like that. Whenever you tap a point the sequence goes on from there. Isn’t that what jump mode does? Or am I dumb or something
However when using freeze, it doesn’t not behave like jump mode. When you hold down freeze it plays that point in a loop, however the sequence caries on in the background so when you let go, it jumps to where ever the sequence is.

Also. Is there a way of setting up quantisation for the pads?

FordTimeLord

@jakoB_haQ said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

The slices in Grooverider play ‘through’ by default, I think.

I reckon two racks of the same break might be the way to go though. Slice the break into 16ths or 8ths and have one track just playing each slice in order. The second track is a duplicate but with no sequence set up. Have it choke the first track. So you play extra hits on the pads but the first sequence keeps going and picks up again when you stop playing the pads.

This could actually work. It’s more setup than I’d like but it sounds good.

Just one question. How do I switch the function of the pads. Right now they’re momentary, meaning I have to hold them down in order to play. I want to switch them to “trigger” so I only need to hit them to activate.

You can set the sample mode to one shot in the part settings. The slices will play through from the each slice marker to the end of the sample. I find two bar breaks loops easiest to work with. GR-16 places markers on 8th notes that way, which are easier to play musically. *for me anyway .

jakoB_haQ

@Identor said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@Identor said:
I think Jungle/breakbeat/D&B style quantised loop triggering can be achieved with the Drambo Flexi sampler, where you can trigger slices and set to continue the sample from that slice on with loop repeat.

How would you set this up?

I’ve added a flexi and loaded Amenbreak loop. I A bit at a loss for the rest. Is there a mode where the pads don’t act like a keyboard. Can they be linked up to the different slice parts instead?

I'm not an expert in Drambo either, but i had managed to sequence 4 flexi samplers with euclidean (4 channels):

Maybe there's a way to use a Midi-AU control surface where the slices could correspond to pads or something, but again, i'm not an expert related to Drambo

PS: here's a link where @espiegel123 sliced samples with Loopy Pro in a good way:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1104675#Comment_1104675

That’s an awesome beat you got going there.

I’m no drambo expert either. I do synthesizers mostly and so I’ve only been diving into the modular. Everything else is kinda new to me.

FordTimeLord

@jakoB_haQ said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@rs2000 said:

@jakoB_haQ said:

@rs2000 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

Edit 2
So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
And it offers another little goodie:
By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

Jump mode is great but it’s not quite the same thing as the video. The jump mode sequence carries on from where you tap. The app in the video has kind of decoupled the sequencer from the user taps.

Wait a minute.
AmenBreak Gen does behave like that. Whenever you tap a point the sequence goes on from there. Isn’t that what jump mode does? Or am I dumb or something
However when using freeze, it doesn’t not behave like jump mode. When you hold down freeze it plays that point in a loop, however the sequence caries on in the background so when you let go, it jumps to where ever the sequence is.

Also. Is there a way of setting up quantisation for the pads?

Yeah, realised that shortly after posting. I was getting mixed up with the freeze function you were talking about. Sorry for muddying the waters 🥸