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  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @NoiseHorse said:
    @jakoB_haQ you know thanks to you “Beat Juggler” will soon be released by somebody…

    I really hope so!

    I’d rather just have a dedicated beat juggling app that specialises in that craft only then building interesting but weird setups in other apps. :sweat_smile:

  • rs2000rs2000

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

    Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

    I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

    I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

    I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

    Edit 2
    So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

    The slices in Grooverider play ‘through’ by default, I think.

    I reckon two racks of the same break might be the way to go though. Slice the break into 16ths or 8ths and have one track just playing each slice in order. The second track is a duplicate but with no sequence set up. Have it choke the first track. So you play extra hits on the pads but the first sequence keeps going and picks up again when you stop playing the pads.

    This could actually work. It’s more setup than I’d like but it sounds good.

    Just one question. How do I switch the function of the pads. Right now they’re momentary, meaning I have to hold them down in order to play. I want to switch them to “trigger” so I only need to hit them to activate. :sweat_smile:

    Are you working with a sliced audio loop?
    While playback is running and the JUMP button is active, you can either hold pads to loop over these slices or short-tap on a pad to re-launch the loop from there, synced to 16th notes.

  • FordTimeLordFordTimeLord
    edited September 2022

    @rs2000 said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

    Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

    I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

    I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

    I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

    Edit 2
    So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

    The slices in Grooverider play ‘through’ by default, I think.

    I reckon two racks of the same break might be the way to go though. Slice the break into 16ths or 8ths and have one track just playing each slice in order. The second track is a duplicate but with no sequence set up. Have it choke the first track. So you play extra hits on the pads but the first sequence keeps going and picks up again when you stop playing the pads.

    This could actually work. It’s more setup than I’d like but it sounds good.

    Just one question. How do I switch the function of the pads. Right now they’re momentary, meaning I have to hold them down in order to play. I want to switch them to “trigger” so I only need to hit them to activate. :sweat_smile:

    Are you working with a sliced audio loop?
    While playback is running and the JUMP button is active, you can either hold pads to loop over these slices or short-tap on a pad to re-launch the loop from there, synced to 16th notes.

    I just played around with this and it works. Take a two bar break and set the project tempo to half that of the break, eg 160bpm break, 80bpm project tempo. Then fill the sequencer with each slice. Jump mode will then trigger 8th notes even though it’s quantised to 16ths. It seems to work well.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @michael_m said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @michael_m said:
    Not sure if I’m missing something, but can’t you do this with any beat slicer?

    Can you mention some slicers that you’re thinking of?

    I’m not really sure, as I don’t do much beat slicing myself - I just wasn’t sure what this app does that various beat slicers don’t do.

    What I’ve tried so far hasn’t worked due to not having an ability to quantise my triggering. Also even though a slicer has a “through” type trigger mode, there’s no way of getting the entire loop to continuously loop. I’ve run into stop with everything I’ve tried.

    The app that comes closest to the exact functionality is loopy pro, however the trigger doesn’t do “through”. Whenever you trigger something it plays a slice and then still follows the sequence. So it’s impossible to get it to juggle. I’ve talked to Michael and I’m hoping he can add a mode for it.

    Got it. I didn’t think of that. I’m really surprised, as I had it in my mind that slicers could do that.

    Glad you talked with Michael, as that would be a really useful feature.

  • IdentorIdentor

    Don't forget, in the 90's, they did all jig-saw'ed it together :)

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

    Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

    I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

    I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

    I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

    Edit 2
    So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

    Just use the "Jump" mode. It allows you to re-trigger the loop at the chosen slice position, synced with 16ths, and it will play through.
    And it offers another little goodie:
    By holding a number of arbitrary steps, thanks to multitouch and humans happily using more than two fingers, you can loop over these slices only 😊

    Jump mode is great but it’s not quite the same thing as the video. The jump mode sequence carries on from where you tap. The app in the video has kind of decoupled the sequencer from the user taps.

    Wait a minute. :sweat_smile:
    AmenBreak Gen does behave like that. Whenever you tap a point the sequence goes on from there. Isn’t that what jump mode does? Or am I dumb or something :sweat_smile:
    However when using freeze, it doesn’t not behave like jump mode. When you hold down freeze it plays that point in a loop, however the sequence caries on in the background so when you let go, it jumps to where ever the sequence is.

    Also. Is there a way of setting up quantisation for the pads?

    Yeah, realised that shortly after posting. I was getting mixed up with the freeze function you were talking about. Sorry for muddying the waters 🥸

    No worries! I have hard time keeping track of everything myself.

    I’ve ended up juggling apps and trying to get their features setup to juggle for me, more than I’ve actually done beat juggling. :lol:

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    Not the same thing, but I find hammerhead great for sequencing break slices, using the Start Pt property in the sequencer to choose different ‘slices’ and the decay property to choose the length of the slice.

    It’s got Amen, funky drummer, think break etc. all built in. You can bring your own breaks in, just remember to set the duration to the right amount of bars.

    I don’t think you can trigger it live though so may not be what you’re after.

  • cuscolimacuscolima

    sEGment + an external app that can quantize Midi will do it (for example StepPolyArp)

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @Identor said:
    Don't forget, in the 90's, they did all jig-saw'ed it together :)

    A friend of mine had an Atari/Cubase setup in the mid 90s, and it was like watching magic happen when he was manipulating samples (from a hardware sampler of course). I seem to recall that he was limited to 16 tracks and only a certain number of seconds per sample, and it was a painstaking process to create anything.

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @gregsmith said:
    Not the same thing, but I find hammerhead great for sequencing break slices, using the Start Pt property in the sequencer to choose different ‘slices’ and the decay property to choose the length of the slice.

    It’s got Amen, funky drummer, think break etc. all built in. You can bring your own breaks in, just remember to set the duration to the right amount of bars.

    I don’t think you can trigger it live though so may not be what you’re after.

    It’s funny because that’s how I did a lot of my breakbeat stuff back in the day with hammerhead on the PC. I love how it’s come full circle and we’re now able to use it on iOS.

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @cuscolima said:
    sEGment + an external app that can quantize Midi will do it (for example StepPolyArp)

    I’ve tried something similar.

    Quantisation with Mozaic script (SEGMENTS and KB-1)
    It works but it’s kinda “finicky” and doesn’t trigger properly. There’s a lot of micromanagement I have to do in moving lplaypoints”/slice points. I’m also getting weird syncing with Segments and sometimes it just bugs out slightly. This is way to contrived to have to deal with and it kills the “flow”. I tried setting it up with the same loops that are in AmenBreak and the feeling just isn’t there. It’s a good attempt and it could possibly work with some adjustments.

    But it’s stuff like this that I want to avoid when it comes to setups for beat juggling.

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    What is the next best thing that we can buy? Koala sampler I guess?

    Groove Rider does that kind of juggling for the whole pattern. And so much more.

    I’d love to hear yow you’d set it up.

    I’ll be making a video about trying to setting this up in other in other apps. I want to show what works and what doesn’t, so I’d appreciate any help/tips you can provide.

    I’ve gotten as far as to activating the slicer and loading the amen break. But I can’t figure out how to set the trigs to “through” mode. And how do I get it to continually loop the entire thing while re-triggering play points like AmenBreak gen?

    Edit 2
    So I manage to find the slice play modes and there is no “through” mode so the Amenbreak behaviour does not seem possible.

    The slices in Grooverider play ‘through’ by default, I think.

    I reckon two racks of the same break might be the way to go though. Slice the break into 16ths or 8ths and have one track just playing each slice in order. The second track is a duplicate but with no sequence set up. Have it choke the first track. So you play extra hits on the pads but the first sequence keeps going and picks up again when you stop playing the pads.

    This could actually work. It’s more setup than I’d like but it sounds good.

    Just one question. How do I switch the function of the pads. Right now they’re momentary, meaning I have to hold them down in order to play. I want to switch them to “trigger” so I only need to hit them to activate. :sweat_smile:

    Are you working with a sliced audio loop?
    While playback is running and the JUMP button is active, you can either hold pads to loop over these slices or short-tap on a pad to re-launch the loop from there, synced to 16th notes.

    I just played around with this and it works. Take a two bar break and set the project tempo to half that of the break, eg 160bpm break, 80bpm project tempo. Then fill the sequencer with each slice. Jump mode will then trigger 8th notes even though it’s quantised to 16ths. It seems to work well.

    Thanks for this, I’ll try it out!

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Not the same thing, but I find hammerhead great for sequencing break slices, using the Start Pt property in the sequencer to choose different ‘slices’ and the decay property to choose the length of the slice.

    It’s got Amen, funky drummer, think break etc. all built in. You can bring your own breaks in, just remember to set the duration to the right amount of bars.

    I don’t think you can trigger it live though so may not be what you’re after.

    It’s funny because that’s how I did a lot of my breakbeat stuff back in the day with hammerhead on the PC. I love how it’s come full circle and we’re now able to use it on iOS.

    Ha nice! It’s one of the (many) reasons that hammerhead is my go to drum app

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @FordTimeLord @rs2000 OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG 😱
    If you need a digital waifu I’m yours!

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    Grooverider - SUCCESS!

    With help from @rs2000 and @FordTimeLord i have been able to setup a beat juggling session. The trick is to use the slicer and sequencer.

    You take a 2 bar loop and then setup the sequence to play at half the sample/loop speed.
    So if the sample is 160BPM set Grooverider to 80BPM.

    You then setup a sequence where every slice plays one after another and then you switch to [JUMP] mode.

    You can now Beat Juggle ala AmenBreak Gen with pads being quantised to 8ths.
    Check this!

  • FordTimeLordFordTimeLord

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    Grooverider - SUCCESS!

    With help from @rs2000 and @FordTimeLord i have been able to setup a beat juggling session. The trick is to use the slicer and sequencer.

    You take a 2 bar loop and then setup the sequence to play at half the sample/loop speed.
    So if the sample is 160BPM set Grooverider to 80BPM.

    You then setup a sequence where every slice plays one after another and then you switch to [JUMP] mode.

    You can now Beat Juggle ala AmenBreak Gen with pads being quantised to 8ths.
    Check this!

    Junglist Massive! 😎

  • SamuSamu

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    Grooverider - SUCCESS!

    With help from @rs2000 and @FordTimeLord i have been able to setup a beat juggling session. The trick is to use the slicer and sequencer.

    You take a 2 bar loop and then setup the sequence to play at half the sample/loop speed.
    So if the sample is 160BPM set Grooverider to 80BPM.

    You then setup a sequence where every slice plays one after another and then you switch to [JUMP] mode.

    You can now Beat Juggle ala AmenBreak Gen with pads being quantised to 8ths.
    Check this!

    Junglist Massive! 😎

    :sunglasses:

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ

    @Samu said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    Grooverider - SUCCESS!

    With help from @rs2000 and @FordTimeLord i have been able to setup a beat juggling session. The trick is to use the slicer and sequencer.

    You take a 2 bar loop and then setup the sequence to play at half the sample/loop speed.
    So if the sample is 160BPM set Grooverider to 80BPM.

    You then setup a sequence where every slice plays one after another and then you switch to [JUMP] mode.

    You can now Beat Juggle ala AmenBreak Gen with pads being quantised to 8ths.
    Check this!

    Junglist Massive! 😎

    :sunglasses:

    I might love this song too much!

  • jakoB_haQjakoB_haQ
    edited September 2022

    @Identor said:
    Don't forget, in the 90's, they did all jig-saw'ed it together :)

    Haha, yeah we are pretty spoiled now.
    You made me remember this clip

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited September 2022

    @jakoB_haQ said:

    @Identor said:
    Don't forget, in the 90's, they did all jig-saw'ed it together :)

    Haha, yeah we are pretty spoiled now.
    You made me remember this clip

    😮
    That's insane!!

    Edit: You made me think about doing something like this in Drambo. DJ Scratch wheel MIDI control is supported already.

  • aftermastaftermast

    Loopy pro
    This is the one that is absolutely closest to the thing I need.
    It can loop the entire sample at all times and there is a slicing mode that does what I need as far as “play points” go. It’s even easy to setup a 2x8 pad grid that allows for triggering and it even shows the playback animation of slice points. However, the problem is that I haven’t been able to setup a “through” mode for the slice points.

    I’ve written to Michael and he said that Loopy Pro can do almost all of the things that AmenBreak generator can do, which is great to hear. However, he acknowledged that the playback mode does not work like that and that he’ll consider adding such a mode in the future. So no luck right now, but maybe in the future.

    I have only had Loopy Pro for about 6 months. I'm wondering if the app was updated after this video/thread was made to allow this functionality? The clip slicer has "Continue Playback From Slices" and this seems to be what was missing ("through" mode mentioned by jakoB). I have never tried the Amen Break Generator app, but it seems to function in the same way and very easy to set up.

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