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A hardware sampler (with a basic sequencer but not a must) +an ability to resample as well as…

zhoezhoe
in Hardware

Can anyone please recommend a good hardware sampler (with a basic sequencer but not a must) that has an ability to resample as well as capability to create multilayer samples? Does it exist?

Thank you!

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  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska
    edited September 2022

    Has a sequencer

    …but not multilayer (? - I think. I haven’t got one.)

    Or get one of these, and a 4MS powered case or similar to put it in if you aren’t into modular. I do have a BitBox Micro, it definitely multisamples and I have barely scratched the surface of it yet. A lot of bang for buck, and you might be able to pick up the bigger older module for cheap(er) now.

    “Play up to 24 stereo polyphonic notes when your samples fit in the 64 MB of internal memory or up to 8 larger stereo samples streaming directly from the microSD card
    Configure 8 stereo sample pads per preset as single or multi-samples, clips, slicers, granular or new recordings
    Stream long samples from the microSD card with a max sample size of 4 GB, which can be many hours of audio
    Trigger samples with the touch screen, CV gate inputs, or MIDI input
    Control how samples start and stop by choosing from one-shot, toggle, and gate launch modes
    Tweak playback through a variety of sample parameters, including start position, length, pitch, gain, filter, loop mode, launch quantization, ADSR, Exclusive Grouping, clip synchronization, slice placement and sequencing, grain size, grain spread, grain count, and MIDI note and channel mapping.”

    Loopop sold me on the Micro over the new version of the bigger model with this:

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited September 2022

    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

  • ToMessToMess

    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

  • zhoezhoe

    Thanks, will defo check! I did see SP404MKII but I am trying to find something that can layer different samples on a pad or at least resample. 404 can resample so will look into it a bit more, Cheers.

    @Svetlovska said:

    Has a sequencer

    …but not multilayer (? - I think. I haven’t got one.)

    Or get one of these, and a 4MS powered case or similar to put it in if you aren’t into modular. I do have a BitBox Micro, it definitely multisamples and I have barely scratched the surface of it yet. A lot of bang for buck, and you might be able to pick up the bigger older module for cheap(er) now.

    “Play up to 24 stereo polyphonic notes when your samples fit in the 64 MB of internal memory or up to 8 larger stereo samples streaming directly from the microSD card
    Configure 8 stereo sample pads per preset as single or multi-samples, clips, slicers, granular or new recordings
    Stream long samples from the microSD card with a max sample size of 4 GB, which can be many hours of audio
    Trigger samples with the touch screen, CV gate inputs, or MIDI input
    Control how samples start and stop by choosing from one-shot, toggle, and gate launch modes
    Tweak playback through a variety of sample parameters, including start position, length, pitch, gain, filter, loop mode, launch quantization, ADSR, Exclusive Grouping, clip synchronization, slice placement and sequencing, grain size, grain spread, grain count, and MIDI note and channel mapping.”

    Loopop sold me on the Micro over the new version of the bigger model with this:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    @Svetlovska said:

    Has a sequencer

    …but not multilayer (? - I think. I haven’t got one.)

    Or get one of these, and a 4MS powered case or similar to put it in if you aren’t into modular. I do have a BitBox Micro, it definitely multisamples and I have barely scratched the surface of it yet. A lot of bang for buck, and you might be able to pick up the bigger older module for cheap(er) now.

    “Play up to 24 stereo polyphonic notes when your samples fit in the 64 MB of internal memory or up to 8 larger stereo samples streaming directly from the microSD card
    Configure 8 stereo sample pads per preset as single or multi-samples, clips, slicers, granular or new recordings
    Stream long samples from the microSD card with a max sample size of 4 GB, which can be many hours of audio
    Trigger samples with the touch screen, CV gate inputs, or MIDI input
    Control how samples start and stop by choosing from one-shot, toggle, and gate launch modes
    Tweak playback through a variety of sample parameters, including start position, length, pitch, gain, filter, loop mode, launch quantization, ADSR, Exclusive Grouping, clip synchronization, slice placement and sequencing, grain size, grain spread, grain count, and MIDI note and channel mapping.”

    Loopop sold me on the Micro over the new version of the bigger model with this:

  • zhoezhoe

    It can also record the input signal, right? I will check the specs now, thanks!

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

  • zhoezhoe

    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited September 2022

    @zhoe said:
    It can also record the input signal, right? I will check the specs now, thanks!

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    Yessir, there are plenty of videos demonstrating this feature in the MPC One

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited September 2022

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    It’s a good deal price wise, power to price ratio I would recommend it. My only suggestion is if you do buy it watch Akai’s tutorials to learn the basics of the workflow. Akai has been great at keeping it up to date and adding new features. Their app store is also growing. It won’t take long before you realize you truly made a great decision!

  • zhoezhoe

    Thanks! I am checking the videos on YT now, but can’t seem to find the multilayer feature. Basically I want to control 3-4 samples with one pad. Would I need to resample a pattern in order to do that or it can import/record samples as layers straight away?

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    It’s a good deal price wise, power to price ratio I would recommend it. My only suggestion is if you do buy it watch Akai’s tutorials to learn the basics of the workflow. Akai has been great at keeping it up to date and adding new features. Their app store is also growing. It won’t take long before you realize you truly made a great decision!

  • ToMessToMess
    edited September 2022

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    Well used Live mk1 would also be a good not too expensive option. You should compare the differences between Live mk1 and One. Software is the same, but buttons setup and in/outputs is whats different really, also i think One has a bit smaller pads than live, but im not too sure. Also you cant put an SSD hardrive in One, but you can out one in Live. Live obviously also has a battery, but MK1 does not have speakers like MK2 does. One has CV inputs if you need them on eurorack.

  • joniqwestjoniqwest
    edited September 2022

    @zhoe

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    +1

    Best all around affordable and pretty much is dead on based on your post.
    Also as added bonus the ability to directly connect most class compliant usb interfaces directly to the MPC. I currently have RME Fireface UCX II connected to MPC One via usb (no computer)

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited September 2022

    @zhoe said:
    Thanks! I am checking the videos on YT now, but can’t seem to find the multilayer feature. Basically I want to control 3-4 samples with one pad. Would I need to resample a pattern in order to do that or it can import/record samples as layers straight away?

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    It’s a good deal price wise, power to price ratio I would recommend it. My only suggestion is if you do buy it watch Akai’s tutorials to learn the basics of the workflow. Akai has been great at keeping it up to date and adding new features. Their app store is also growing. It won’t take long before you realize you truly made a great decision!

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    From the MPC owners manual:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @joniqwest said:
    @zhoe

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    +1

    Best all around affordable and pretty much is dead on based on your post.
    Also as added bonus the ability to directly connect most class compliant usb interfaces directly to the MPC. I currently have RME Fireface UCX II connected to MPC One via usb (no computer)

    how many ins/outs can you use on mpc with rme?

  • zhoezhoe

    Excellent, thanks for this!

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    From the MPC owners manual:

  • zhoezhoe

    I thinks that’s the One then, pun intended:)

    @ToMess said:

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    Well used Live mk1 would also be a good not too expensive option. You should compare the differences between Live mk1 and One. Software is the same, but buttons setup and in/outputs is whats different really, also i think One has a bit smaller pads than live, but im not too sure. Also you cant put an SSD hardrive in One, but you can out one in Live. Live obviously also has a battery, but MK1 does not have speakers like MK2 does. One has CV inputs if you need them on eurorack.

    @joniqwest said:
    @zhoe

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    +1

    Best all around affordable and pretty much is dead on based on your post.
    Also as added bonus the ability to directly connect most class compliant usb interfaces directly to the MPC. I currently have RME Fireface UCX II connected to MPC One via usb (no computer)

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @zhoe said:
    I thinks that’s the One then, pun intended:)

    @ToMess said:

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    Well used Live mk1 would also be a good not too expensive option. You should compare the differences between Live mk1 and One. Software is the same, but buttons setup and in/outputs is whats different really, also i think One has a bit smaller pads than live, but im not too sure. Also you cant put an SSD hardrive in One, but you can out one in Live. Live obviously also has a battery, but MK1 does not have speakers like MK2 does. One has CV inputs if you need them on eurorack.

    @joniqwest said:
    @zhoe

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    +1

    Best all around affordable and pretty much is dead on based on your post.
    Also as added bonus the ability to directly connect most class compliant usb interfaces directly to the MPC. I currently have RME Fireface UCX II connected to MPC One via usb (no computer)

    😂 🙌🏽 let me know if you have any questions after you get One, pun intended 🙃

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    Different Rabbit hole and might not be for you but I love it - even with the lack of screen (at least like the MPC)

    Synthstrom Deluge

    https://synthstrom.com/product/deluge/

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    @joniqwest said:
    ... Also as added bonus the ability to directly connect most class compliant usb interfaces directly to the MPC. I currently have RME Fireface UCX II connected to MPC One via usb (no computer)

    The text in brackets is ambiguous, but just to add to this: the MPC One is a computer, based on some Linux (afaik) and that‘s why „class compliant“ is a bit more uncertain than in IOS or MacOS.
    Even a „hacked“ version of the OS exist, for the adventurous or knowledgeable ones...

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited September 2022

    Buy gear at today’s prices while you still can:

    “New Prices

    And now the bad news. The Deluge will be significantly more expensive in the coming months. To reflect the cost and development associated with the new screen and the rising manufacturing costs in the synth industry, Synthstrom Audible will raise the price over the next 12 months.

    From September 9th, the Deluge will cost $1249 USD plus shipping instead of $999 USD. Then from January 1st, 2023 $1329 USD + shipping, and from April 1st, 2023, not a joke, it will cost $1399 USD + shipping. These are very significant price increases for the Deluge groovebox.”

    MPC One is $899 for now, but who knows if that will change soon too.

  • KorakiosKorakios
    edited September 2022

    @zhoe said:
    Thanks! I am checking the videos on YT now, but can’t seem to find the multilayer feature. Basically I want to control 3-4 samples with one pad. Would I need to resample a pattern in order to do that or it can import/record samples as layers straight away?

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @zhoe said:
    Very good explanation, Thanks! So, you’d reckon MPC ONE is the best bet considering all mentioned?

    @ToMess said:
    Yea the new MPCs have nice sequencer and a good sampler. Some older MPC like MPC500 would also do the trick, but you get better UI and lots of other stuff you might want to dwell into with newer MPCs. They also got ableton link, so you can sync decent ipad daws with the MPC easily. However you will need to connect them via audio interface and old school midi cables. The new standalone maschine and i think elektron products also work directly via USB for audio and midi, so you could hook ipad directly to them. But the maschine costs a lot more and elektron products are more limited in many ways than MPC.
    I havent been looking at the markets so much lately, so there might be more products that would work via USB, do the trick and not be too expensive or limited.

    It’s a good deal price wise, power to price ratio I would recommend it. My only suggestion is if you do buy it watch Akai’s tutorials to learn the basics of the workflow. Akai has been great at keeping it up to date and adding new features. Their app store is also growing. It won’t take long before you realize you truly made a great decision!

    If you want to simply trigger 3-4 samples with one pad at the same time you can do it with sp-404 mkII too
    skip to 6:00

    Mpc One does that as well ,also it can handle 4 layers where you choose to trigger depending velocity or cyclic or random
    It also has a handy feature called "flatten pad" where the layers merge onto one new sample

  • joniqwestjoniqwest
    edited September 2022

    @szczyp said:

    @joniqwest said:
    @zhoe @szczyp

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    MPC One
    Great sampler: definitely can resample and do multilayer
    Great sequencer

    +1

    Best all around affordable and pretty much is dead on based on your post.
    Also as added bonus the ability to directly connect most class compliant usb interfaces directly to the MPC. I currently have RME Fireface UCX II connected to MPC One via usb (no computer)

    how many ins/outs can you use on mpc with rme?

    @szczyp
    Been working on a huge renovation project at home so I packed everything away but will unbox right now and hook up asap to give exact number for rme. Akai MPC os ver 2.10 supports up to 32 inputs and outputs per Akai’s website

    BRB

  • joniqwestjoniqwest

    @szczyp
    So the option on the MPC is 32 input / output and the RME is 20 record / 20 playback you wont get the full 40 channels but you can select which channels you want to use. Also there is a newer ver 2.11 (MPC OS) but I am currently using ver. 2.10

  • joniqwestjoniqwest

    @zhoe
    You can’t go wrong with the MPC @ $900 still a good value new or buy used online units as low as $550

    @zhoe said:
    I thinks that’s the One then, pun intended:)

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @joniqwest said:
    @szczyp
    So the option on the MPC is 32 input / output and the RME is 20 record / 20 playback you wont get the full 40 channels but you can select which channels you want to use. Also there is a newer ver 2.11 (MPC OS) but I am currently using ver. 2.10

    Thank you
    It is a lot of IO.

  • jollyDodgerjollyDodger
    • Modern MPCs/force are limited to four layers of multi sample for drums (unless you do a hack and spread the samples over several banks - and it’s not designed to do that easily).
    • The Deluge (that now has an ok screen) is limited to two layers of multi-sample for drums.
    • The Machine+ does not have this limitation and sells drum kits with many layers.
    • I don’t know about the Bluebox / Bitbox I don’t know?
    • Anything else?
  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike
    edited September 2022

    @jollyDodger said:

    • Modern MPCs/force are limited to four layers of multi sample for drums (unless you do a hack and spread the samples over several banks - and it’s not designed to do that easily).
    • The Deluge (that now has an ok screen) is limited to two layers of multi-sample for drums.
    • The Machine+ does not have this limitation and sells drum kits with many layers.
    • I don’t know about the Bluebox / Bitbox I don’t know?
    • Anything else?

    You can go beyond 4 layers…
    MPC: “ Remember there is a maximum of 128 keygroups available in a single keygroup program”
    https://www.mpc-tutor.com/creating-8-layer-keygroup-instruments-mpcs-akai-force/
    The article above shows how to do 8, but they also mention you do more, although memory management becomes a concern.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jollyDodger said:

    • Modern MPCs/force are limited to four layers of multi sample for drums (unless you do a hack and spread the samples over several banks - and it’s not designed to do that easily).
    • The Deluge (that now has an ok screen) is limited to two layers of multi-sample for drums.
    • The Machine+ does not have this limitation and sells drum kits with many layers.
    • I don’t know about the Bluebox / Bitbox I don’t know?
    • Anything else?

    You can go beyond 4 layers…
    MPC: “ Remember there is a maximum of 128 keygroups available in a single keygroup program”
    https://www.mpc-tutor.com/creating-8-layer-keygroup-instruments-mpcs-akai-force/
    The article above shows how to do 8, but they also mention you do more, although memory management becomes a concern.

    Yes as well as loading time, sometimes streaming can help, it’s an area which Akai will hopefully improve in the future.

  • ToMessToMess

    @joniqwest said:
    Been working on a huge renovation project at home so I packed everything away but will unbox right now and hook up asap to give exact number for rme. Akai MPC os ver 2.10 supports up to 32 inputs and outputs per Akai’s website

    BRB

    One should keep in mind that MPC does not work with all class compliant audio interfaces. Its actually very limited list with what it works well with. This is because it runs on linux and it does not have the same class compliancy that Windows and MacOs/ios has, the interface needs to be class compliant in some special way. Google should help to find what works. I know Focusrite 6i6 mk1 does not work properly and i would imagine other focusrite interfaces also dont. However i think all behringers do at least.

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @ToMess said:

    @joniqwest said:
    Been working on a huge renovation project at home so I packed everything away but will unbox right now and hook up asap to give exact number for rme. Akai MPC os ver 2.10 supports up to 32 inputs and outputs per Akai’s website

    BRB

    One should keep in mind that MPC does not work with all class compliant audio interfaces. Its actually very limited list with what it works well with. This is because it runs on linux and it does not have the same class compliancy that Windows and MacOs/ios has, the interface needs to be class compliant in some special way. Google should help to find what works. I know Focusrite 6i6 mk1 does not work properly and i would imagine other focusrite interfaces also dont. However i think all behringers do at least.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxaudio/comments/shj3x3/audio_interface_list/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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