Apple App price increases.

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM: the 8-12% you now cite doesn’t actually seem close to 20-40%. Even doubling that (which hasn’t been the case if talking about prices across the board) is 16%-24%.

Do you LIVE IN LOS ANGELES? That's the question.

espiegel123

@NeuM : you said literally everything has gone up in price 20%-40% . You didn’t say “some things”. You are moving the goalposts and exaggerating.

No, I don’t live in Los Angeles…but most of my family does.

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM : you said literally everything has gone up in price 20%-40% . You didn’t say “some things”. You are moving the goalposts and exaggerating.

No, I don’t live in Los Angeles…but most of my family does.

“Most”?

Also, why do you not take this discussion over to the “hidden” Off-Topic area? You’re throwing this thread even further off topic.

espiegel123

@NeuM : is “most” a word that is unfamiliar to you?

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM : is “most” a word that is unfamiliar to you?

That’s weird… I said “most” and then you disputed my comment.

I think in the interest of this thread you should not interact with me further.

espiegel123

@Neum: I was responding to a comment you made in this thread we are in.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1120809/#Comment_1120809

michael_m

@NeuM said:

@michael_m said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@knewspeak said:
Taxes for the extremely wealthy down, prices up for everyone, seems quite fair

Major corporations have been recording record profits over the last several years.

Although it should also be noted that everything is more expensive due to a huge increase in inflation. In my area, everything is 20-40% higher than it was 2 years ago. Those profits aren’t as high as previously thought because the money is now worth even less.

What country do you live in? In the U.S. total inflation is nothing like 20-40% on everything over the last 2 years.

I live in the country of California, where taxes are higher on everything. And the “minimum wage” is soon to be $22/hr. Everything is outrageously expensive and needlessly so. California also has the biggest outmigration of residents than any State in the US. This is because the cost of living is through the roof.

Inflation on everything in California over the past 2 years has not been 20-40%.

You really love picking nits. Do you live here?

I am not picking nits. You are exaggerating the situation and acting as if your exaggeration is fact.

Nationally, commonly purchased grocery items are up between 8-12%. In California, it's closer to 20-40%, based on my own data tracking.

Gas is still about double what it was 2 years ago. And those exorbitantly high gas prices affect the cost of everything that needs to be transported.

https://news.yahoo.com/gas-prices-falling-across-u-215608569.html&c=16051052192538071965&mkt=en-us

New cars are now 19.62% more expensive than 2 years ago.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/New-cars/price-inflation/2000-to-2022?amount=30000

Do your own homework and provide evidence to the contrary if it's available. Making contradictory statements without providing evidence is played out.

Seems like evidence (at least for major urban areas) doesn’t support your theory:

https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/consumerpriceindex_losangeles.htm

https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/consumerpriceindex_sanfrancisco.htm

To the contrary, I said over the last two years and cited gas prices, grocery items and cars. Your source cites none of those in the chart. It actually says, "Energy prices rose 20.7 percent" (over the last year).

"Over the year, the index for all items less food and energy rose 6.2 percent. Components contributing to the increase included new and used motor vehicles (13.4 percent), medical care (6.9 percent), and shelter (5.2 percent)."

Well if you cherry pick data you can make whatever conclusions you set out to make. That’s why broad indices are used rather than estimations based on partial data.

NeuM

@michael_m said:

@NeuM said:

@michael_m said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@knewspeak said:
Taxes for the extremely wealthy down, prices up for everyone, seems quite fair

Major corporations have been recording record profits over the last several years.

Although it should also be noted that everything is more expensive due to a huge increase in inflation. In my area, everything is 20-40% higher than it was 2 years ago. Those profits aren’t as high as previously thought because the money is now worth even less.

What country do you live in? In the U.S. total inflation is nothing like 20-40% on everything over the last 2 years.

I live in the country of California, where taxes are higher on everything. And the “minimum wage” is soon to be $22/hr. Everything is outrageously expensive and needlessly so. California also has the biggest outmigration of residents than any State in the US. This is because the cost of living is through the roof.

Inflation on everything in California over the past 2 years has not been 20-40%.

You really love picking nits. Do you live here?

I am not picking nits. You are exaggerating the situation and acting as if your exaggeration is fact.

Nationally, commonly purchased grocery items are up between 8-12%. In California, it's closer to 20-40%, based on my own data tracking.

Gas is still about double what it was 2 years ago. And those exorbitantly high gas prices affect the cost of everything that needs to be transported.

https://news.yahoo.com/gas-prices-falling-across-u-215608569.html&c=16051052192538071965&mkt=en-us

New cars are now 19.62% more expensive than 2 years ago.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/New-cars/price-inflation/2000-to-2022?amount=30000

Do your own homework and provide evidence to the contrary if it's available. Making contradictory statements without providing evidence is played out.

Seems like evidence (at least for major urban areas) doesn’t support your theory:

https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/consumerpriceindex_losangeles.htm

https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/consumerpriceindex_sanfrancisco.htm

To the contrary, I said over the last two years and cited gas prices, grocery items and cars. Your source cites none of those in the chart. It actually says, "Energy prices rose 20.7 percent" (over the last year).

"Over the year, the index for all items less food and energy rose 6.2 percent. Components contributing to the increase included new and used motor vehicles (13.4 percent), medical care (6.9 percent), and shelter (5.2 percent)."

Well if you cherry pick data you can make whatever conclusions you set out to make. That’s why broad indices are used rather than estimations based on partial data.

I wasn’t cherry-picking. That was the chart you posted.

espiegel123

@NeuM : your actual words …emphasis added

Although it should also be noted that everything is more expensive due to a huge increase in inflation. In my area, everything is 20-40% higher than it was 2 years ago. Those profits aren’t as high as previously thought because the money is now worth even less.

We’ve established that this not accurat.

You then posted a listing of inflation statistics in a few sectors rather than use a broad index. That is cherry-picking.

You also wrote:

And the “minimum wage” is soon to be $22/hr.

This not accurate. Minimum wage is $14 or $15 in California (depending on the size of the business). A single sector (fast food workers MIGHT see a boost up to $22 but it isn’t certain).

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM : your actual words …emphasis added

Although it should also be noted that everything is more expensive due to a huge increase in inflation. In my area, everything is 20-40% higher than it was 2 years ago. Those profits aren’t as high as previously thought because the money is now worth even less.

We’ve established that this not accurat.

You then posted a listing of inflation statistics in a few sectors rather than use a broad index. That is cherry-picking.

You also wrote:

And the “minimum wage” is soon to be $22/hr.

This not accurate. Minimum wage is $14 or $15 in California (depending on the size of the business). A single sector (fast food workers MIGHT see a boost up to $22 but it isn’t certain).

Think about it. What happens when new workers start leaving every other part of the California economy to become fast food workers? That would be a hugely distorting force on the economy, one which would either force other businesses to match those absurdly inflated wages or the fast food workers would be replaced with automation (because there is no way a McDonald's can afford to have a full staff of $22/hr. workers selling $3 or $5 hamburgers)... So, we might safely assume most of the fast food workers in California would get laid off in the next year or so.

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM : your actual words …emphasis added

Although it should also be noted that everything is more expensive due to a huge increase in inflation. In my area, everything is 20-40% higher than it was 2 years ago. Those profits aren’t as high as previously thought because the money is now worth even less.

We’ve established that this not accurat.

You then posted a listing of inflation statistics in a few sectors rather than use a broad index. That is cherry-picking.

You also wrote:

And the “minimum wage” is soon to be $22/hr.

This not accurate. Minimum wage is $14 or $15 in California (depending on the size of the business). A single sector (fast food workers MIGHT see a boost up to $22 but it isn’t certain).

Think about it. What happens when new workers start leaving every other part of the California economy to become fast food workers? That would be a hugely distorting force on the economy, one which would either force other businesses to match those absurdly inflated wages or the fast food workers would be replaced with automation (because there is no way a McDonald's can afford to have a full staff of $22/hr. workers selling $3 or $5 hamburgers)... So, we might safely assume most of the fast food workers in California would get laid off in the next year or so.

Your speculation about the implications doesn't change the fact that California's minimum wage is not about to be $22 across the board as you had stated.

MrSmileZ

Not surprising…everything else is more expensive, why not apps as well

michael_m

@NeuM said:
I wasn’t cherry-picking. That was the chart you posted.

You said:

@NeuM said:
To the contrary, I said over the last two years and cited gas prices, grocery items and cars.

That’s not how statistical analysis works - you don’t just pick limited data and state definitive conclusions from those data.

Statisticians have a saying (they actually have many, primarily due to the large number of statistical fallacies out there) that is appropriate here: “Some people use data in the way that a drunk man uses a lamp post - more for support than illumination.”

Bureaux of statistics exist for a reason - statistical analysis is a complex process potentially full of mis-steps leading to wrong conclusions. Trying to prove them wrong with your own theories is unlikely to provide any useful outcomes.

NeuM

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purpan2

@michael_m said:

Statisticians have a saying (they actually have many, primarily due to the large number of statistical fallacies out there) that is appropriate here: “Some people use data in the way that a drunk man uses a lamp post - more for support than illumination.”

Here, it might be a more useful simile to say that some people use data like a dog uses a lamp post…

NeuM

@purpan2 said:

@michael_m said:

Statisticians have a saying (they actually have many, primarily due to the large number of statistical fallacies out there) that is appropriate here: “Some people use data in the way that a drunk man uses a lamp post - more for support than illumination.”

Here, it might be a more useful simile to say that some people use data like a dog uses a lamp post…

Has anyone asked for the opinion of the lamp post?

Simon

@michael_m said:

“Some people use data in the way that a drunk man uses a lamp post - more for support than illumination.”

Ha ha - sexist!

Drunk person, surely

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0tolerance4silence

Interestingly, it is what made App Store so attractive to developers in the first place... at least at the beginning

BiancaNeve

@wim said:
There is one upside. Only 15% of the increases go to Apple. The other 85% goes to developers, I assume. So that is protecting them from the effects of currency rate fluctuations as well. I think.

As for Apple profits, every shareholder and everyone who has a retirement or other savings plan, or mutual fund, that invests in Apple, benefits from their stock remaining healthy. It doesn't all go into the pockets of just a few.

It's not unusual for companies to adjust pricing based on fluctuations of other currencies vs. their own.

On the other hand ... they never seem to go down based on fluctuations the other way now, do they?

Actually £ prices of apps did go down about 6 months ago.

eylvy

Something's not adding up, can you explain this please? The developer of the app gets to choose the price of their apps and Apple gets to take some percentage of all sales. So does that mean after the price increasing in October - Apple will take a larger percentage of the apps sales?
Example: A dev has a $10 app, after October it'll become let's say $12. Can't the developer just lower the price on his/her own?
What I'm making from this is that from a dev's prospective, Apple is just going to take a bigger share of the apps sales than today.

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It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any reconfiguration of UK prices, considering the recent terrifying drop in the pound, courtesy of our bonkers government.

michael_m

@monz0id said:
It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any reconfiguration of UK prices, considering the recent terrifying drop in the pound, courtesy of our bonkers government.

I see the results of it at work, and it hasn’t been looking pretty for a while. While I don’t want to seem pessimistic, the latest decisions on tax cuts are likely to contribute to further devaluation of the GBP, so there’s unlikely to be any improvement against the USD.

knewspeak

@michael_m said:

@monz0id said:
It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any reconfiguration of UK prices, considering the recent terrifying drop in the pound, courtesy of our bonkers government.

I see the results of it at work, and it hasn’t been looking pretty for a while. While I don’t want to seem pessimistic, the latest decisions on tax cuts are likely to contribute to further devaluation of the GBP, so there’s unlikely to be any improvement against the USD.

The rich should be making a ‘killing’, crisis capitalism sure makes fortunes.

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@michael_m said:

@monz0id said:
It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any reconfiguration of UK prices, considering the recent terrifying drop in the pound, courtesy of our bonkers government.

I see the results of it at work, and it hasn’t been looking pretty for a while. While I don’t want to seem pessimistic, the latest decisions on tax cuts are likely to contribute to further devaluation of the GBP, so there’s unlikely to be any improvement against the USD.

They don’t seem to be in any rush to have an actual plan for what they’re doing either:

“ Kwarteng: to set out his medium-term fiscal plan on 23 November”

michael_m

@monz0id said:

@michael_m said:

@monz0id said:
It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any reconfiguration of UK prices, considering the recent terrifying drop in the pound, courtesy of our bonkers government.

I see the results of it at work, and it hasn’t been looking pretty for a while. While I don’t want to seem pessimistic, the latest decisions on tax cuts are likely to contribute to further devaluation of the GBP, so there’s unlikely to be any improvement against the USD.

They don’t seem to be in any rush to have an actual plan for what they’re doing either:

“ Kwarteng: to set out his medium-term fiscal plan on 23 November”

Cutting taxes on top of high inflation and supply chain issues is not going to turn out well. I can only assume it’s to get votes and they don’t care about the economic impact.

NeuM

@eylvy said:
Something's not adding up, can you explain this please? The developer of the app gets to choose the price of their apps and Apple gets to take some percentage of all sales. So does that mean after the price increasing in October - Apple will take a larger percentage of the apps sales?
Example: A dev has a $10 app, after October it'll become let's say $12. Can't the developer just lower the price on his/her own?
What I'm making from this is that from a dev's prospective, Apple is just going to take a bigger share of the apps sales than today.

Of course they‘ll be taking a larger portion, proportional to the previous price which will be increased. The developer will be getting the exact same percentage as before.

NeuM

@CapnWillie said:
Perhaps everyone would have been better off if Apple didn’t create a market out of thin air? Consumers? Music makers? Indie Filmmakers? Graphic Artists? Devs?

Yeah. Sure. It’s all Apples fault 😭😂🤦🏽‍♂️

Exactly.

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NeuM

@tja said:
The last thing I bought new from Apple was my Mac Mini M1
They will not get money from me any more - I will only ever buy used stuff from other people.

They don't produce iPhones anyway that I could buy, no headphone, no touch-id ... useless crap.

And I already have 4 iPads, that will suffice for some years :-D

I hope you understand those price increases are happening because of inflation and exchange rate changes? The local money is worth less, so you’ll be spending more of it for everything.