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Liteweight drum sample player - what do you use?
Title has it all. I want a basic sample player for drums - with multiple outs as a nice to have. Sequencing will be done externally - so basic midi is a must.
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Sitala
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Once you use Sitala you will ask: “Where have you been all this time?”
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Gorgeous! This went completely under my radar! Thanks a lot!
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Lightweight, simple, clean, I’d say sitala, but if you want velocity layers, round robin, a sequencer, etc, I’d probably say Digistix 2.
Does Digistix have randomization/mutate options like PlayBeat does? Kind of looking for something similar to play samples.
Does Digistix have Files app access?
It does have randomization in the sequencer, as well as probabilities, but not a mutate like hammerhead. Let me snap some screenshots for you two…
Yes, I tend to build kits using files in the slide over view, with DS2 in standalone, but you can import from files, audioshare etc… this is DS 2.
For @auxmux & @Slush
This comes up from hitting the import button at the bottom right.
Per step settings, ie velocity, Probability, etc…
Sequencer & Kit or preset selection Randomization options
Other features info
Also a random mode per pad if you load multiple samples, like round robin but not in order.
There’s 64 pads in DS 2 and each one can have up to 5 layers. If you are considering Digistix definitely grab the 2nd one.
Also this is one of 2 screens.
I’ll just do screenshots, lol.
Here’s the other screen. The first screen standalone, you swipe the sides, or more effectively tap the screws in the corners to move up and down the pages.
Thanks so much for these Poppa! So the probability page with all the long bars, are these sliders where you can set the amount of probability? I wonder if probability and mutate (Hammerhead) aren’t kind of the same thing?
There are a lot of great drum apps, but for using just samples I definitely like sitala, and DS2 the best.
FAC DK can load samples and has 2 synths built in, another great option.
They are different. Probability is just the chance that step will play each time the sequencer runs through the steps. Mutate like in hammerhead actually jumps the playhead of the sequencer around, while it still maintains it’s forward motion through the steps. So it plays left to right but while it’s playing jumps to other steps randomly, and quickly, then jumps back to its regular timing.
I do love that mutate feature in hammerhead, I wonder if there is or could be a Mozaic script that could replicate this behavior… @wim ? Any thoughts here?
You can use hammerhead to sequence DS2 or sitala. With ds2 you can use the internal sequencer or use anything you want to sequence the pads.
Yes those are sliders, they are nice because you can easily dial in any percentage you want. Some apps it’s not as easy to get a specific percentage but with DS2 you can easily set any Percentage you want.
Update - you get that slider view by hitting the Controllers button at the top right of the actual sequencer screen. You can add notes by adding velocity, you can draw them in for quick results and then hit any pad to change to that pads slider settings.
Good stuff, thanks for your time and clarification.
Thanks @Poppadocrock! I've had DIgistix 2 for a while but never used to it. Oops. Will it give another go. Sitala is likely enough for day to day, but for deeper stuff DS2 looks good. And yeah, FAC and Drambo also are great for drums.
I'm not sure I understand the question.
If you mean a Mozaic script that could make DS2 behave with mutate like Hammerhead does, then I don't believe that's possible.
If you mean a Mozaic script that could itself sequence other apps like DS, it could be possible to create a sequencer that had a mutate feature like Hammerhead's. Lotta work when there are plenty of other full-fledged drum sequencers out there though.
Well at first I was curious if that existed or there was something similar out there? Then I was thinking I wonder how difficult it would be to make a script that either performed a mutate like feature to the midi going through it, or a script with a sequencer built in with a mutate or mutate-like function ?
Sorry If I’m bugging ya, it just crossed my mind and I know if anyone might know, you’d be a good person to ask…
Yea I thought it might be a heavy task, thanks for the input @wim
You're not bugging me at all, but we probably shouldn't sidetrack the thread too much.
Brambos apps have two kinds of mutate. One just adds a probability of reversing the action of a step. For instance, if the step has no note, introducing a probability that it will play, or if it has a note that it won't play. That one is easy.
Acting on midi passing through - To produce the mutate where the sequence skips to a random step then back to its proper sequence would require knowing what the sequence is in advance. So, the script would need to listen to a full cycle of the sequence, then act on it in the following passes. That could be an interesting exercise I guess. I don't think it would be massively complicated either.
Interesting idea.
Agreed. Yea ds2 can be a little odd if you’re not familiar with 4Pockets apps, but it can also be picked up rather easily with some button pressing and messing around.
Sitala is probably a little leaner on DSP, but ds2 does pretty well considering.
Update - you can also pull up features by holding a pad, swiping up, or swiping down on each pad.
Almost all the features are in the couple hamburger icons, the Controllers button, and the buttons across the bottom below the pads. Just remember to hit host sync if in a host/daw are you’re good.
With Digistix 2, is there any way to quickly make kits or a converter of some sort like we have with Sitala?
There is the app samplecrate which could help, but other then that I think the best way might be drag and drop, in slide over which is what I do. I create a folder in audioshare with only the Samples I want to put in the kit, open DS2 in standalone, then pull up files in slide over mode and drag and drop samples one at a time. Then save the kit. It’s not as quick but it’s not that bad either.
That’s one way sitala is a little quicker. That’s also a Reason I bought sitala, it’s lightweight, quick, clean, etc… but when I want a velocity layered kit with 5 hits on every Pad I use DS2. Honestly I use ds2 the most. Mainly because i have so many kits I’ve made. I had ds1 since it’s release, so when I got ds2 all the user kits were magically already in DS2.
Update - what do you mean by converter? Is there a sitala preset converter out there?
@Slush I almost forgot that the really cool drum or note sequencer Octachron has a mutate feature similar to hammerhead, Rozetta suite, noir, etc…
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So digistix 2 responds to the 16 sample crate of samplecrate? Nice.
Yes, there’s a couple. The free one is SitalaConverter and converts Ableton .adg rack drum kits to Sitala kits
About sitala: use it as various auv on separate tracks. One for bunch of kicks, another for snares/ claps, then hats, percs, toms etc. Due to lighweight of this app you can combine many sitalas. Then add your eq effects, comps whatever. Great to group some on the go when it fits. Try not to use sitala only as a one for all your drums compared to other standard drum apps.
Add fractal bits, slammer, brush to go where your roads leads you too.
I’m sure sitala can be used in many more ways, this is just my current workflow, make kits for specific parts of the entire drum spectrum and add those into desired groups. Thanks do @DanSebPage for pointing this out.
I think so, actually not 100% sure, sorry, I have sample crate and I fumbled with it a few times when released but gave up, then developer made a few updates and I keep forgetting to use it. Same situation as @auxmux with DS2 as mentioned above, lol. Not always does it slip my mind, it’s in a folder so I don’t always see it, plus I haven’t built as many kits since it was released, I built way more before it was out, I need to start mixing in kit making sessions again. That’s typically how I like to do it.
Awesome, thanks, I did not know this. I knew it was originally for desktop, but didn’t realize there was a free online sitala preset creator.
Update, ohh directly from Ableton kits. I’ve barely used Abelton lite, I barely use desktop at all.
I wonder about kits from other apps/software like Maschine Kits, or other software/apps?
I’ll try it out thanks 🙏
Yes, if you use Kitmaker and go Maschine > Ableton Rack .adg then use SitalaConverter and go Ableton Rack .adg > Sitala