Ableton Note

mjm1138

@Strizbiz said:

@mjm1138 said:

@Danny_Mammy said:

@RajahP said:

@Danny_Mammy said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@Danny_Mammy said:
Ableton note is looking good too when the new update comes out soon.

Any spoilers?

i feel weird spilling the beans, i leave that to the other loosed mouth testers. ;-)

Auv3? I'm discovering Live 11... Can only imagine 12 with all the improvements... Hope Touchable is updated...
Oh... and LK... I think ALS export will be the thing for us iPad music makers.

well, i don't think we will see auv3 as it wouldn't make sense to Ableton but i don't know the future roadmap.

I thought Ableton 11 supports AUv3 plugins today

ETA: Oh you mean Note, right? Yeah I'm not holding by breath there.

Yeah, I’m not expecting a lot more from Note for what it cost but I’m not complaining, it’s nice for what it does especially if you own Ableton. I do think it would be great if it exported stem for those who don’t have Ableton and would like to import them into other IPad Daws

Stem export would be awesome! I do kind of get the impression though, that Note is intended to hook you/keep you in the Ableton ecosystem, so I’m not holding my breath there either 🥲

Danny_Mammy

The thing is Ableton note is designed to work with Ableton live exclusively and the focus isn't really on the iOS ecosystem. Note just happens to use the iOS platform currently, I'm sure if android had better audio latency and stability, they use that too as a platform. Like push3 it's not a priority to have third party plugins, better to focus on your native plugins, then you don't even have to worry or spend time on compatibility, and you push your own system.

things like stem export don't make so much sense, you just use cloud and continue the project on Ableton live.

what you get for note at 7 bucks is pretty amazing and it is ever improving on great new and sensible features that fit the original design.

A good example of feature requests and user input negatively effecting the original design is drambo, that app was an amazing design balancing a sequencer and modular initially but now has turned into an over complex monster and just isn't fun anymore, it turned into a spaghetti junction, it lost its original design concept IMO.

I used drambo initially a lot like all the other iOS apps but always in conjunction with my DAW on PC but now that apps lost the fun factor which i think you need on a small iPhone or iPad. I don't want a full-blown DAW on an iPhone! i want apps that get an idea down quick and can come up with interesting ideas and starting points.

i think the Ableton note design does this wonderfully, however you need Ableton live to enjoy this fully.

kirmesteggno

@drez said:

@isal said:

@kirmesteggno said:

A virtual Push controller would be perfect, many including me would be ready to drop a hunni for this. The main reason I don't own a Push is desktop space and portability.

I see no reason why Note couldn't do everything a standalone Push3 can do. A virtual Push3 would be awesome but probably not profitable enough for Ableton to do so in the near future. Hopefully Note lives long enough to finally get there with limited dev resources. I wonder if the non HW related code of Push3 is portable enough to be built for iOS.

Not sure if either of you have or have used a Push before, but its advantage is that it's a physical piece of gear. You cannot replicate "on glass" all of the physical attributes that makes the push...a push. I only say this because I own all 3 versions of push 😂 The tweak ability of the knobs, the many buttons that allow you to switch functionality, and of course the pads themselves. Those are what make the push so quick and useful. You have to be SO DAMN ACCURATE on and iPad because glass is so unforgiving on accuracy. Plus, the response times of the screen are nowhere near what hardware is.

There used to be a touchosc version of a push that you could connect up to ableton and honestly, it just wasn't useful. Did not compare.

For me there isn't a big difference in triggering stiff pads or tapping on a screen, especially because I use full velocity anyway. Pads based on KB switches like the K.O II is a different story. But the Push and the Nukai crap isn't that.

I have used MPC's, MPDs, Launchpads and a Korg Padkontrol in the past and don't miss those. I've used the Push and didn't find it very fast without adding external controllers. It's also a common point in reviews that it's not that fast to work with.

I didn't mean a 1:1 copy of the Push because this would be impossible size wise, but a drum rack controller, sequencer and quick way to control racks.

Touchable isn't an alternative because the dev isn't reliable, he abandoned his own forum and basically all the apps.

MatthewKay

Stems are possible, but somewhat cumbersome. I solo each of the non- drum tracks and then export them one by one. Then make a copy of the project and delete the non-drum tracks. Then I copy the drum track as many times as there are different percussion pieces in the track and then delete all but one of the pieces on each track. Then again, solo each track and export one at a time. Easypeasy.

BTW, the beta has started for the next RC. ( did I phrase that correctly?)

isal

@drez said:

@isal said:

@kirmesteggno said:

A virtual Push controller would be perfect, many including me would be ready to drop a hunni for this. The main reason I don't own a Push is desktop space and portability.

I see no reason why Note couldn't do everything a standalone Push3 can do. A virtual Push3 would be awesome but probably not profitable enough for Ableton to do so in the near future. Hopefully Note lives long enough to finally get there with limited dev resources. I wonder if the non HW related code of Push3 is portable enough to be built for iOS.

Not sure if either of you have or have used a Push before, but its advantage is that it's a physical piece of gear. You cannot replicate "on glass" all of the physical attributes that makes the push...a push. I only say this because I own all 3 versions of push 😂 The tweak ability of the knobs, the many buttons that allow you to switch functionality, and of course the pads themselves. Those are what make the push so quick and useful. You have to be SO DAMN ACCURATE on and iPad because glass is so unforgiving on accuracy. Plus, the response times of the screen are nowhere near what hardware is.

There used to be a touchosc version of a push that you could connect up to ableton and honestly, it just wasn't useful. Did not compare.

I own a Push2. Of course Note won’t have the advantages of physical HW. What I was talking of replicating were the features in Push standalone such full access to settings of instruments and effects. The mixer, editing of samples etc. The only reason I mentioned Push is as a basis for portable code. My original comment specifically calls out the code aspect.

drez

@kirmesteggno @isal isn’t what you are asking for… Ableton Note? It is the start of what you are asking for, right?

mistercharlie

Note is surprisingly similar to the Push if you dig in.

isal

@drez said:
@kirmesteggno @isal isn’t what you are asking for… Ableton Note? It is the start of what you are asking for, right?

Exactly and I thought that’s what my original post said. Maybe it wasn’t worded well.

kirmesteggno

@drez said:
@kirmesteggno @isal isn’t what you are asking for… Ableton Note? It is the start of what you are asking for, right?

For the look & feel, not for the usecase because Ableton Note is not a controller for Ableton like Push is. Note is a something you'd use away from your setup or on the go, not while you have Ableton open.

When I'm in Ableton I have my left hand on the Magic Keyboard and my right hand on the Magic Mouse, it would be cool to have more controls apart from KB shortcuts with the left hand on the iPad. Thats how people I know also use the Push, as a way to control racks, drum racks, punch in steps or melodies while they're working with a mouse.

I know that there are ways to create a Franken Push with Touch OSC and whatnot, but something official with deep intergation would be way better.

Here a dynamic focus tracking feature from the Metagrid controller app for desktop Logic where clicking a UI tile in the desktop app changes the current controller view on the iPad. Something like this would be super useful within a native controller app for Ableton power users.

drez

@kirmesteggno i don’t see Ableton losing potential push customers by creating an official iPad app to do similar functionality. For me personally I would only use something like Metagrid for shortcuts over tried all those iPad controller apps for Ableton and I always go back to the mouse because they are never as fast. But to each their own.

kirmesteggno

@drez those apps are slow because you have to manually flick through pages of mappings. The video above shows how the active area in you DAW triggers the right control surface for it on the iPad. To get something similar with hardware you need a desk full of controllers.

mistercharlie

This is a Max for Live device that uses TouchOSC on the iPad to auto-map controls.

https://maxforlive.com/library/device/9080/zs-knobbler3-auto-labeling-control-surface

You wiggle a control in Live, then tap a slider on the iPad (or the other way around, I’m not using it right now), and it maps, complete with color, and the name of the control. The mappings are saved with your set. Works over Wi-Fi or USB, and it’s amazing.

kirmesteggno

Thanks @mistercharlie

Looks useful. Saw your posts on the Elektronauts forum just a few minutes ago! Is there a "iPad as a desktop DAW controller" thread or should I create one where we can collect, list and discuss all the options?

mistercharlie

@kirmesteggno said:
Thanks @mistercharlie

Looks useful. Saw your posts on the Elektronauts forum just a few minutes ago! Is there a "iPad as a desktop DAW controller" thread or should I create one where we can collect, list and discuss all the options?

I don’t remember one! You should totally start it.

kirmesteggno

@mistercharlie said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Thanks @mistercharlie

Looks useful. Saw your posts on the Elektronauts forum just a few minutes ago! Is there a "iPad as a desktop DAW controller" thread or should I create one where we can collect, list and discuss all the options?

I don’t remember one! You should totally start it.

Done!

mistercharlie

@kirmesteggno said:

@mistercharlie said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Thanks @mistercharlie

Looks useful. Saw your posts on the Elektronauts forum just a few minutes ago! Is there a "iPad as a desktop DAW controller" thread or should I create one where we can collect, list and discuss all the options?

I don’t remember one! You should totally start it.

Done!

Subscribed!

RajahP

mjm1138

Looks like today's update brings some important new features! (swing, midi mapping, uneven clip length, 16 bar clips). Haven't had a chance to play with it but it sounds good!

ETA: I guess I haven't been paying attention, most of those features landed in 1.0.15. 1.0.17 is a bug fix release

RajahP

Updated with Live 12 Lite offer...

Thanks..

cokomairena

Live Lite now supports comping

Jumpercollins

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