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Exactly.
That was not out of spite, lol - it was an attempt to make people go premium, as premium now offers that feature while the main app doesn’t. You can still use split screen / slide over etc to view YT while using another app so it’s not that big a deal to me, although I also miss it. I would actually pay for premium btw, as I use YT a lot, but it is not available in my current region.
Again though, shorts are easily ignored, nobody need view them if they don’t want to, much less scroll through a whole feed of whatever shite - the algorithm is terrible - YouTube decides to throw at you next. Shorts do have their place though, I think, though overall I definitely prefer longer form vids. If YT doesn’t adapt to the times it will not keep up and may fold eventually. Look at what happened the tv advertising model, or print newspapers. Will be interesting to see if it and Facebook are still household names 20 years from now.
I feel like facebook has already lost its household name status, at least in the <30yo generations...
yes, but also out of spite
Yeah Facebook is definitely not cool with the ‘yoof” lol
I have neither the time nor the patience to be a content creator...
But I would definetly make a channel called eat my shorts
I'm semi addicted to them at moment.
That sounds like the best shorts ever! Link please !
Also - instagram feed is pretty similar to YT shorts, but it seems to be a lot better at knowing what you’ll want to see - maybe that’s because YT shorts is so new and is still testing the waters - hardcore - about what you might be interested in. Or else their algorithm is just stupid. Not sure.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QL7cg_aFDdg?
Interesting @taeo
A lot of people also complain about long form vids. You can’t please everyone. Sometimes someone just wants to see / hear a little taster. Also, as you say, Google is closely linked with YouTube - on many search terms on google, the first things that will appear are YouTube results. Shorts are here to stay. People who don’t like them can ignore them, the same as they can ignore threads here that don’t interest them. It’s no biggie.
@dobbs said:
I recommend to ditch the YT app and use the Brave browser https://brave.com/ for YT. Even on iOS with its crippled browser engine you still have the picture in picture video and Brave perfectly removes ads - even the absolutely annoying ad breaks. So you can listen to your music without any blah blah in between.
The only problem I have is indeed the shorts. No way to get rid of them, and no way to disable auto play. They are just a javascript infested pain…
I’ll give it a shot, thanks. The playlist feature looks pretty neat tbh. Very cool that you can add soundcloud and youtube to the same playlist.
Never used the youtube app, I was using safari + adblock or opera gx before, but operas adblocking is a little lacking and their cookie dialog blocker sometimes makes sites unusable… so lets see how brave holds up
But about the shorts, how do you even see them often enough to get annoyed? They waste main page real estate but besides that I never really see one in the wild…
There's some absolute crap on YT shorts for sure but every now and then there's something to make you smile 😊
Thats not a short though, is it, thats just a normal short video 🤔
Well it came up in my hold phone vertically, swipe up to move on list of short videos on YouTube...
Sure it's a short
....now if you'll excuse me I've got some videos of teenage girls giving tutorials on how to shuffle dance to watch
Holy shit, this channel! There goes my productivity for today...
It's concept copied from TikTok .. essential for degenerates who can't concentrate to anything longer than minute and searching especially for various retarded short challenges like "show dance to this song" or "eat shit of your dog" and various pseudo-funny videos .. mostly very low IQ stuff ..
Dude, did you even watch Doug's video where he was talking about how he couldn't survive by being a full time youtuber after....what.... 10 years of doing this?
And the main reason for that is people watching YouTube behind an ad blocker. You're not being cool by blocking ads on iOS YouTube content creators. You're robbing them of - a very paltry - livelihood. You're not getting one over on the man, you're shafting your brothers.
Here is the video, if anyone needs a reminder
It doesn't just apply to Doug, it applies to all of us making the videos that many find so helpful here.
Regarding ads on Youtube. I tend to watch them (unless it's unison or other really annoying crap) but them ads are automagically removed from the forum embedded videos so it's kinda counter productive when add revenue is important.
Maybe an option in the forum settings could be used so the links always open in a new window, this way the ads would be there?
I'm still wondering how the young generation (TM) is going to run our nuclear power stations, spaceflight programs and software development companies... (I know, all old folk have always said that of the next generation, but this time I think it really is true 😂)
I understand that. And I have no problems with banners in the videos, or ads at the beginning or the end of a clip. When YouTube started injecting advertising into the videos themselves, that was the moment for me to throw the switch. This is when advertising turns into brain washing. Injecting information into your subconscious when you do not expect it. With this type of advertising, and the "shorts", YouTube is going too far for me.
I would be happy to enable "normal" ads again, if there would be an option to only get rid of the ad interruptions, or to keep certain channels (like yours) ad-enabled. I might actually suggest that in the Brave forum.
Well, one option is to not allow embedded videos. I tried that once and the dickheads in the room voted with their feet by giving a bunch of down votes to the vid as soon as it was posted. Now that down votes aren't shown, it may indeed be something that all youtubers here should consider. The nicer way is if people just accept that the odd 5-second ad that they can click away almost immediately isn't that big a deal. If they want to support they can watch an ad for 30 seconds plus, in which case revenue for the youtuber increases. And / or click on an ad link.
It's been said here before but is worth repeating, that with TV people basically had 15 minutes of watching with perhaps a 3-minute ad break. It's mostly an awareness issue. Or should I say a lack of awareness issue. In comparison, people are exposed to far less ad time on YouTube.
And please... Don't mention patreon or merch as solutions. Look at the paltry monthly PayPal income of Jakob Haq for example - it's viewable on every patreon page for any creator - and that figure is before patreon take their cut. Doug mentions in his vid that merch is a joke.
Super likes etc - 30% goes to YouTube.
PayPal take 5% and give a very bad rate of exchange to the creator when cashing out foreign currency tx. It's rough out there. Youtubers need and deserve support.
I can say for myself that there are several phases in making a video
This might seem like a rant, and it partly is, but it's also an objective description that I think some people need to have beaten into their head before they realise that they're not just dealing with algorithms here, they're dealing with people's livelihoods, their physical health, their mental health, and their ability to make a bob or two.
Rant over. If it influences even a few people to be a bit more aware, I'll be happy.
Some interesting points Gav. I don't use an ad blocker anyway and will try to remember to let the ad play in full.
I watched your recent Tera Pro wave table video with a beer and didn't skip the ads. Just treated it as entertainment and let it wash over me. I've previously been too impatient with yours and (especially) Doug's videos because they weren't answering what I needed to know right now!
I feel a bit guilty actually
Thanks for the comment! It's also important for youtubers not to fill their vids with needless shite for this whole thing to work. Timestamps help, and I'm pretty good in that regard but some other youtubers could certainly step up in that department 😉
But one thing I'll stand firm on is that, if you don't like the system, using ad blockers is not the way to change it. Change would be needed at the the root and that would probably involve some flavour of communism that would be mighty unpalatable to most 😂. Unless someone comes up with a better system, or more people use PayPal or sub to patreon, I can't think of a simpler solution than just not using an ad blocker and from time to time letting some ads roll! It's not that hard and it does make a difference.
Not to beat things on the head again and again, but Doug's vid is worth a watch. I donated him my paltry 80 bucks monthly YouTube salary as a result of it. Man gotta live.
hmm ok, what can I do to train my youtube account to show me ads that are actually relevant to me? I still remember a short time period when my ads would be about music production and other nerd stuff, but right now, all I see day in day out is the new google phone or chromebook ad or some other useless shit. yotube ads where I live are incredibly repetitive, just saw the google ad 4 times in a row for 4 different videos... can I actually train youtube to show me ads for nerdy stuff?
(the iOS opera ad blocker is so bad that I have to assume no youtube revenue gets lost...
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