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YouTube "Shorts" -- who comes up with these kinds of ideas?

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  • @cyberheater said:
    I'm semi addicted to them at moment.

    Dopamine detox. It's hard. Short term reward vs long time reward.

    It"s indeed addictive, but easily forgettable.

  • @dobbs said:
    hmm ok, what can I do to train my youtube account to show me ads that are actually relevant to me? I still remember a short time period when my ads would be about music production and other nerd stuff, but right now, all I see day in day out is the new google phone or chromebook ad or some other useless shit. yotube ads where I live are incredibly repetitive, just saw the google ad 4 times in a row for 4 different videos... can I actually train youtube to show me ads for nerdy stuff?

    (the iOS opera ad blocker is so bad that I have to assume no youtube revenue gets lost... :D )

    Yeah, I have to use YouTube through a vpn due to being in China, so I get the weirdest shit shown to me depending on what vpn I'm using.... Cantonese ads for Hong Kong Facemasks, I could go on. YouTube ad algo is shite, that's for sure. No wonder they're losing to tiktok, though as I never use that, I've no idea whether there's is actually any better!

  • edited November 2022

    I’m sure I’m the exception from the rule and sorry for an opposing view, but for me adds are no go period. Stopped watching TV and YT because of this. These days only launching YT app about twice a month. I have no clue what shorts are or how to even find them (lol YT app haven’t seen update for about a year). Only seen TikTok on colleges phone... no insta, tweeter and my last intentional update on fb is 11yo.
    There are few channels that I likely watch on those rare occasions and I’ve never heard any of them mentioning this issue. Not in their material, not in the comments... They do it because they enjoy doing it and the viewers gather (or not) without guilt trips. It’s the same on TV, you either bring something that fills a segment or you become a whore of the industry and ride it for as long as you have the stomach. You can’t blame the viewer if the segment is already filled or not big enough. Are we to be held responsible for every wannabe who decides these days that they will make a living from their room, playing with their phone?
    It sucks, but if even a music app developers can’t make a living maybe it’s not only the consumers fault?
    Maybe it’s too cynical for this place, but no one ever owed me a living... if planA doesn’t work out it’s on me to find planB.

  • @0tolerance4silence said:
    I’m sure I’m the exception from the rule and sorry for an opposing view, but for me adds are no go period. Stopped watching TV and YT because of this. These days only launching YT app about twice a month. I have no clue what shorts are or how to even find them (lol YT app haven’t seen update for about a year). Only seen TikTok on colleges phone... no insta, tweeter and my last intentional update on fb is 11yo.
    There are few channels that I likely watch on those rare occasions and I’ve never heard any of them mentioning this issue. Not in their material, not in the comments... They do it because they enjoy doing it and the viewers gather (or not) without guilt trips. It’s the same on TV, you either bring something that fills a segment or you become a whore of the industry and ride it for as long as you have the stomach. You can’t blame the viewer if the segment is already filled or not big enough. Are we to be held responsible for every wannabe who decides these days that they will make a living from their room, playing with their phone?
    It sucks, but if even a music app developers can’t make a living maybe it’s not only the consumers fault?
    Maybe it’s too cynical for this place, but no one ever owed me a living... if planA doesn’t work out it’s on me to find planB.

    I get where you're coming from. But the thing is.... You don't even have to watch the ads.... My eyes mostly glaze over on that shit too. So if we all want to say, fuck YouTube ads, we still need to find a way to fund the creators we enjoy. I'd make far more money doing work than making YouTube vids, in terms of hours spent and income received. I enjoy it yes but I should get income from it because, quite literally, every hour spent doing YouTube related stuff is an hour that I'm not earning and not putting anything towards a pension. So you want a world where only rich kids make YouTube content? Or make music? Then we would have had no great bands like the Fall and many other punk and post punk bands. They thrived in an age where state support was liberal enough that they could do art while basically funded by the state. That's no longer a reality. What's your solution?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    I’m sure I’m the exception from the rule and sorry for an opposing view, but for me adds are no go period. Stopped watching TV and YT because of this. These days only launching YT app about twice a month. I have no clue what shorts are or how to even find them (lol YT app haven’t seen update for about a year). Only seen TikTok on colleges phone... no insta, tweeter and my last intentional update on fb is 11yo.
    There are few channels that I likely watch on those rare occasions and I’ve never heard any of them mentioning this issue. Not in their material, not in the comments... They do it because they enjoy doing it and the viewers gather (or not) without guilt trips. It’s the same on TV, you either bring something that fills a segment or you become a whore of the industry and ride it for as long as you have the stomach. You can’t blame the viewer if the segment is already filled or not big enough. Are we to be held responsible for every wannabe who decides these days that they will make a living from their room, playing with their phone?
    It sucks, but if even a music app developers can’t make a living maybe it’s not only the consumers fault?
    Maybe it’s too cynical for this place, but no one ever owed me a living... if planA doesn’t work out it’s on me to find planB.

    I get where you're coming from. But the thing is.... You don't even have to watch the ads.... My eyes mostly glaze over on that shit too. So if we all want to say, fuck YouTube ads, we still need to find a way to fund the creators we enjoy. I'd make far more money doing work than making YouTube vids, in terms of hours spent and income received. I enjoy it yes but I should get income from it because, quite literally, every hour spent doing YouTube related stuff is an hour that I'm not earning and not putting anything towards a pension. So you want a world where only rich kids make YouTube content? Or make music? Then we would have had no great bands like the Fall and many other punk and post punk bands. They thrived in an age where state support was liberal enough that they could do art while basically funded by the state. That's no longer a reality. What's your solution?

    ‘rich kids’ - not at all... though rich kids will always have advantage :)
    My point is, all you can do is fulfil a demand and see where that leads you... of course you can keep doing the awareness rain dance, but imo at this point it’s counterproductive - people here imo are well aware of the situation. Do you think these habits can significantly change? I mean if today 100 users will watch 1min ad each making you x, ‘tomorrow’ to make x again you will have to bring 200 to watch 2min ad... this is what keeps the machine going... back to your TV example... most production are slashed at the early stage because they don’t turn enough heads... just because you’re in it already doesn’t make it viable, just because someone else made it you not necessarily will...
    Imo this is a way too narrow segment with way too many players. And just like every shit these days finds following, there will always be haters as well, so injecting any personality will likely work against you, unfortunately... which ends up in way too much overlap... I honestly don’t know how many ‘interesting’ angles one can come up with, when describing the 50th same tool, while being the 5th in the line... but without that angle I don’t know how this could work

    Sorry, not much of a help / solution, more like reality check.

  • edited November 2022

    @SevenSystems said:

    @dendy said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    YouTube has apparently recently rolled out a new "feature" (at least on its mobile site) called "Shorts".

    What is it you ask?

    Well, it's basically a reduced version of their regular video player, missing basic features such as, you heard that right, SEEKING (!) or going full-screen.

    To add insult to injury, it also PERMANENTLY COVERS the video with a button overlay that is, as far as I can tell, IMPOSSIBLE TO DISMISS.

    How big a knot in your brain is required to come up with such nonsense?

    Or am I -- like so often -- missing the point? 😉🤦‍♂️🥦

    It's concept copied from TikTok .. essential for degenerates who can't concentrate to anything longer than minute and searching especially for various retarded short challenges like "show dance to this song" or "eat shit of your dog" and various pseudo-funny videos .. mostly very low IQ stuff ..

    I'm still wondering how the young generation (TM) is going to run our nuclear power stations, spaceflight programs and software development companies... (I know, all old folk have always said that of the next generation, but this time I think it really is true 😂)

    It's not tha bad.. percentual amount of low IQ ppl was always same just now they are more visible "thanks" to social netwoks..

    I have few friends wih pretty smart and talented kids who are doing really meaninfull things so i'm not that afraid..

  • edited November 2022

    @Gavinski said:

    @dobbs said:
    hmm ok, what can I do to train my youtube account to show me ads that are actually relevant to me? I still remember a short time period when my ads would be about music production and other nerd stuff, but right now, all I see day in day out is the new google phone or chromebook ad or some other useless shit. yotube ads where I live are incredibly repetitive, just saw the google ad 4 times in a row for 4 different videos... can I actually train youtube to show me ads for nerdy stuff?

    (the iOS opera ad blocker is so bad that I have to assume no youtube revenue gets lost... :D )

    Yeah, I have to use YouTube through a vpn due to being in China, so I get the weirdest shit shown to me depending on what vpn I'm using.... Cantonese ads for Hong Kong Facemasks, I could go on. YouTube ad algo is shite, that's for sure. No wonder they're losing to tiktok, though as I never use that, I've no idea whether there's is actually any better!

    It could be the subject of a new thread, but where are you born? In China? If not, what is bringging you to China? Work? Familly? Love? Just curious.

  • @Montreal_Music said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @dobbs said:
    hmm ok, what can I do to train my youtube account to show me ads that are actually relevant to me? I still remember a short time period when my ads would be about music production and other nerd stuff, but right now, all I see day in day out is the new google phone or chromebook ad or some other useless shit. yotube ads where I live are incredibly repetitive, just saw the google ad 4 times in a row for 4 different videos... can I actually train youtube to show me ads for nerdy stuff?

    (the iOS opera ad blocker is so bad that I have to assume no youtube revenue gets lost... :D )

    Yeah, I have to use YouTube through a vpn due to being in China, so I get the weirdest shit shown to me depending on what vpn I'm using.... Cantonese ads for Hong Kong Facemasks, I could go on. YouTube ad algo is shite, that's for sure. No wonder they're losing to tiktok, though as I never use that, I've no idea whether there's is actually any better!

    It could be the subject of a new thread, but where are you born? In China? If not, what is bringging you to China? Work? Familly? Love? Just curious.

    Definitely not starting a thread about my private life haha 😂. I'm from the UK, but came here for romantic / work reasons and have stayed mostly because of how cheap it is and how convenient life is here.

  • @Gavinski I don't think asking people to watch shit adverts is really much of a solution. A lot of it is pernicious mind-fuckery, why would you implore anyone to expose themselves to that? I appreciate your position and your videos, but surely the onus is on the content creators to find a better distribution method if you want to make a full or partial living from it?

    If you were endorsing the ads I'd have more time for them, but what I get is truly awful.

  • @steve99 said:
    @Gavinski I don't think asking people to watch shit adverts is really much of a solution. A lot of it is pernicious mind-fuckery, why would you implore anyone to expose themselves to that? I appreciate your position and your videos, but surely the onus is on the content creators to find a better distribution method if you want to make a full or partial living from it?

    If you were endorsing the ads I'd have more time for them, but what I get is truly awful.

    It's very simple - you just watch them without really watching them. Ads are basically the way content has been paid for for years, whether magazines, TV or newspapers etc 🤷‍♂️. Watch but don't 'watch' 🤷‍♂️, it's not much of an ask really

  • And / or make donations using PayPal or whatever method the creator has chosen to allow people to pay them directly.

  • If even half of my subs made a ten dollar donation per year it would be enough to live modestly off.

  • edited November 2022

    Another suggestion that I am just trying out: WATCH the video with the ad blocker for an undisturbed experience, but then let it run a second time without the blocker and maybe even in another browser. I am currently trying this out: Brave for the "real watching", and Chrome for supporting the content creators. I am not sure how Google counts the ads, so it might actually better to "watch" with ads first, and then use the ad free browser. Works excellent with channels that have playlists. Just let the playlist run and you do something good for the person who made the videos. Chrome can run on an invisible virtual desktop. I use Ubuntu Studio (A DAW optimized Ubuntu), what allows me to even let that Chrome browser run against a dummy audio interface so it does not bother me. I would not recommend to mute the audio directly inside Chrome / YouTube, because they might not count this as "proper" ad watching.
    And a warning: Please try not to use technical means to simulate browsing (e.g. via selenium). That might then look like "click farming" and can bring the people we want to support into trouble.
    Because he brought up the issue, I just started with watching one of the @Gavinski playlists...
    If people call what I try to do "cheating", then I would say I am just cheating back to those who want to cheat me via my sub conscious.
    And I notice how I suddenly enjoy these ads popping up in Chrome....

  • @catherder said:
    Another suggestion that I am just trying out: WATCH the video with the ad blocker for an undisturbed experience, but then let it run a second time without the blocker and maybe even in another browser. I am currently trying this out: Brave for the "real watching", and Chrome for supporting the content creators. I am not sure how Google counts the ads, so it might actually better to "watch" with ads first, and then use the ad free browser. Works excellent with channels that have playlists. Just let the playlist run and you do something good for the person who made the videos. Chrome can run on an invisible virtual desktop. I use Ubuntu Studio (A DAW optimized Ubuntu), what allows me to even let that Chrome browser run against a dummy audio interface so it does not bother me. I would not recommend to mute the audio directly inside Chrome / YouTube, because they might not count this as "proper" ad watching.
    And a warning: Please try not to use technical means to simulate browsing (e.g. via selenium). That might then look like "click farming" and can bring the people we want to support into trouble.
    Because he brought up the issue, I just started with watching one of the @Gavinski playlists...
    If people call what I try to do "cheating", then I would say I am just cheating back to those who want to cheat me via my sub conscious.
    And I notice how I suddenly enjoy these ads popping up in Chrome....

    That sounds like an option that, sure, while very much not very fair on advertisers, is at least good for content creators lol

  • @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    Another suggestion that I am just trying out: WATCH the video with the ad blocker for an undisturbed experience, but then let it run a second time without the blocker and maybe even in another browser. I am currently trying this out: Brave for the "real watching", and Chrome for supporting the content creators. I am not sure how Google counts the ads, so it might actually better to "watch" with ads first, and then use the ad free browser. Works excellent with channels that have playlists. Just let the playlist run and you do something good for the person who made the videos. Chrome can run on an invisible virtual desktop. I use Ubuntu Studio (A DAW optimized Ubuntu), what allows me to even let that Chrome browser run against a dummy audio interface so it does not bother me. I would not recommend to mute the audio directly inside Chrome / YouTube, because they might not count this as "proper" ad watching.
    And a warning: Please try not to use technical means to simulate browsing (e.g. via selenium). That might then look like "click farming" and can bring the people we want to support into trouble.
    Because he brought up the issue, I just started with watching one of the @Gavinski playlists...
    If people call what I try to do "cheating", then I would say I am just cheating back to those who want to cheat me via my sub conscious.
    And I notice how I suddenly enjoy these ads popping up in Chrome....

    That sounds like an option that, sure, while very much not very fair on advertisers, is at least good for content creators lol

    Fair advertising would be for me: No fingerprinting, behaviour tracking and no psycho tricks. Instead I can consciously choose areas of interest (e.g. electronic music, synths....). This would then first and most importantly present me with ads that I actually want to see, and I can make someone else benefit from my interest in watching info and ads about music, gear etc. Another option I find interesting is the "rewards" system inside Brave. This (optional) feature will present you with ads. For every ad you get, you get credit in some form of cybercurrency called "BAT". As the "consumer" you can then decide about what website / content creator etc. gets these credits in the end.

  • edited November 2022

    would be great if we went back from ads targeted at the individual and back to ads targeted at the actual content they appear in/before

    because yes, there are ads that I do want to see. I think my record was watching a 45min ad... :D

    If you have youtube premium, does any of that subscription money go to the creators of videos you've watched?

  • edited November 2022

    @Gavinski said:
    It's very simple - you just watch them without really watching them. Ads are basically the way content has been paid for for years, whether magazines, TV or newspapers etc 🤷‍♂️. Watch but don't 'watch' 🤷‍♂️, it's not much of an ask really

    But traditional media is bound by a level of advertising standards that I just don't see operating on Youtube, much of it is clearly misleading bollocks. I understand that most advertising is manipulative, but much of this could never be screened on TV or broadcast on radio. I don't think 'Watch but don't 'watch' " is really sufficient advice where misleading and exploitative material is being propagated. Although this is at least making me laugh, reminding me of Kurt Vonnegut and 'Wide open Beavers', look but don't look, just read the articles...

  • You'll have to pry my ad blockers from my cold dead hands. 😈

    I feel bad for people who think they need to make their fans sit through annoying, misleading, or downright offensive ads in order to make a "living" as a YouTuber. If the video is good I'll throw you a Like, maybe Subscribe if I haven't, or even sit through some sponsored content in the video itself, since at least that's usually somewhat relevant to the topic.

    But you'll never convince me that making people sit through whatever garbage Google is trying to force on us is good for anyone's business. Except Google's.

  • @Gavinski said:
    If even half of my subs made a ten dollar donation per year it would be enough to live modestly off.

    Post your paypal here bro. I'll drop you a ten.

  • @dobbs said:
    would be great if we went back from ads targeted at the individual and back to ads targeted at the actual content they appear in/before

    because yes, there are ads that I do want to see. I think my record was watching a 45min ad... :D

    If you have youtube premium, does any of that subscription money go to the creators of videos you've watched?

    It does, yes.

  • @steve99 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    It's very simple - you just watch them without really watching them. Ads are basically the way content has been paid for for years, whether magazines, TV or newspapers etc 🤷‍♂️. Watch but don't 'watch' 🤷‍♂️, it's not much of an ask really

    But traditional media is bound by a level of advertising standards that I just don't see operating on Youtube, much of it is clearly misleading bollocks. I understand that most advertising is manipulative, but much of this could never be screened on TV or broadcast on radio. I don't think 'Watch but don't 'watch' " is really sufficient advice where misleading and exploitative material is being propagated. Although this is at least making me laugh, reminding me of Kurt Vonnegut and 'Wide open Beavers', look but don't look, just read the articles...

    Yeah the quality of the ads on YouTube is pretty damn terrible, overall, no doubt. Also when I say 'watch' I'm even just talking about the first portion before the skip button appears. On some types of ads creators will still get some share of money from that, on others they will only be paid if the user has watched 30 seconds +.

    There is by the way, a feature where, if you see an ad you don't like you just do a few clicks and ask YouTube not to show you that ad again. Can't remember the details of how to do it but it is intuitive and fast.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Gavinski said:
    If even half of my subs made a ten dollar donation per year it would be enough to live modestly off.

    Post your paypal here bro. I'll drop you a ten.

    Cheers buddy. PayPal links are also usually included in vid descriptions, pinned comment and the About section of my page.

    Appreciated 🙏

    My PayPal
    https://paypal.me/GavinskisTutorials?locale.x=en_US

  • edited November 2022

    just found out that by now there are a few firefox/chrome/opera plugins that allow you to remove shorts from the website entirely, or other plugins to automatically redirect you to the normal player with full playback control. or you can add a filter rule to your content blocker/adblocker of choice. just add a filter rule like the one you can grab here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts

    or create a custom set of filter rules with this tool, so that you can filter out videos by name and by #short and #shorts:
    https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-video-title

  • edited December 2022

    @auxmux said:
    It's all about consumptive watching and competition with other platforms as mentioned. I largely ignore shorts on YT.

    I find Youtubeshortsdownloader very easy to get views and subscribe, but my YT channel is constantly not recommended, I only reached 12 thousand views and the next morning it was reduced by 60%.

  • @adamtube said:

    @auxmux said:
    It's all about consumptive watching and competition with other platforms as mentioned. I largely ignore shorts on YT.

    I find Youtube shorts very easy to get views and subscribe, but my YT channel is constantly not recommended, I only reached 12 thousand views and the next morning it was reduced by 60%.

    I find it's very normal for viewing figures to drop in the days after you post a new video, until you post the next and get a spike again. YouTube wants to keep you on the treadmill loll

  • edited December 2022

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @dobbs said:

    @ruggedsmooth said:
    YouTube has been ass since they made a premium version
    I swear they make the “free version” screw up all the time and stutter and skip to try and make ppl buy the premium.

    And they purposefully killed the ios screen-in-screen miniature video-whatever you call that- feature where the video keeps playing in a tiny rectangle when you leave the browser, just out of spite…

    I wish ios finally allowed proper browser plugins, my old android firefox could do anything youtube definitely didn’t want it to do… :(

    I recommend to ditch the YT app and use the Brave browser https://brave.com/ for YT. Even on iOS with its crippled browser engine you still have the picture in picture video and Brave perfectly removes ads - even the absolutely annoying ad breaks. So you can listen to your music without any blah blah in between.
    The only problem I have is indeed the shorts. No way to get rid of them, and no way to disable auto play. They are just a javascript infested pain…

    Dude, did you even watch Doug's video where he was talking about how he couldn't survive by being a full time youtuber after....what.... 10 years of doing this?

    The irony here is if he’d occasionally make a video of him throwing a synthesizer off a building he’d have millions of views… You have to exploit the medium to get noticed. He should try something crazy every so often to see if it helps.

  • @NeuM said:
    The irony here is if he’d occasionally make a video of him throwing a synthesizer off a building he’d have millions of views… You have to exploit the medium to get noticed. He should try something crazy every so often to see if it helps.

    Synth in a blender...? :smiley:

  • Short videos for people who cannot concentrate for more than 30 sec and cannot finish what th

  • edited June 2023

    I am bumping this old thread with a solution to get rid of the annoying "shorts" on YouTube and the "Reels and Short Videos" on Facebook. Sadly this does not work on an iOS device and I don’t know when they will change things to smuggle videos on your pages again.... And this won't affect advertising!
    If you use a chrome based browser, then install the "Custom CSS by Denis" extension.
    This extension allows the user to inject CSS code that is usually used to configure a web sites appearance (fonts, alignment of elements etc.) in a website. Here we will use the extension to hide the unwanted content via the display: none; command.
    1. Install the extension.
    2. Open the website in question (YouTube or Facebook).
    3. Open the extension and paste the following code in the editor:
    For Facebook:
    [aria-label="Reels"] {
    display: none;
    }

    For YouTube:
    div#dismissible {display: none;}

  • edited July 2023

    @topstik said:
    I completely understand the frustration of seeing repetitive and irrelevant ads on YouTube. You can do to help train your YouTube account to show you ads that align more with your interests. Here are some tips:…..

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    While this helped a bit with YouTube, the situation is almost hopeless with Facebook. And it only helps to configure the ads. The "shorts" - at least in my case - still appear as stupid as ever. I tried similar things with my FB settings. As a result I got more of the stuff I did not want. Specially under the category "Reels and short videos". More sexist clickbait and stuff that is just stupid. Even when I reported a fraudulent ad from a scammer who regularly tries to sell a synth that is actually a Kickstarter project and is far from the production phase, the result is frustrating: Since then my newsfeed gets flooded with other scammers that try to sell the same synth.

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