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You call that Music?
What do you think?
Art by AI…
Details of how it was produced are in this video…
Comments
Neato! Wasn't boring, think I preferred the one in the video.
Technically, yes, it is music.
Personally, no, just random piano notes.
There are musical sounding sequences throughout, but overall it is incoherent to me.
Interesting setups in the video, for sure.
I like extremely experimental nature of your approach.
It’s definitely sound, so let’s move up from there… it’s more sonorous than white noise. I guess a “serious” modern composer might do something like that. It has a bit of a Steve Reich element due to the regularity (sameness) There are no highs and lows either dynamically or melodically. It’s regular irregularity.
It also seems to be stuck in place and could continue forever… like an audible rendering of cosmic rays hitting a bent tuna fish can.
If one person said they liked it that would make it closer to music. If ten thousand liked it and thought they were listening to music it would be hard to deny it isn’t music. I don’t think 10k would say they liked or, more importantly, we’re entertained for at least a minute. Shit, I can’t get a hundred to like my stuff and I'm a lot closer to that than I am to Billy Joel.
Happy Holidays @CracklePot. Nice to hear from you again.
I liked that too; using lfos to vary all of those parameters.
no- I don't hear that.
This is like exploring quantum fields or some such thing.
It's the piano app coming through a gorgeous reverb. What's not to love? I could see this "rig" set up in a modern art gallery providing context for the art running 24x7 with bath room breaks in the contract.
It's not offensive and it does provoke the mind to wonder "When will this end?" and doe not provide a single clue. That's discipline, I feel. With a 24x7 venue the suspense would just be overwhelming.
I swear I could detect a little stride piano in there. Maybe the ghost of Fats Waller in the machine.
I propose you seek a grant to make this happen. A big grant that might fund a new iPad.
By the title of the thread I first thought it was a Frank Zappa cover version.
Could sound interesting if you mix your piano track with the Zappa track
Thanks everybody for the listen and interesting comments…
Nice thing about this technique @AudioGus is that every run is different. Bit like the infinite monkeys etc etc would it eventually generate say the Moonlight Sonata note for note?
Agreed @CracklePot , sometimes something ‘musical’ emerges from the chaos. I enjoy trying to get something different out of simple apps using strange techniques.
I’m glad it is more musical that white noise @LinearLineman 😊 I listened to quite a few ‘avant-garde’ piano pieces while doing this and in my view most of them aren’t worth the paper they are (or aren’t ) written on. Interesting theory as to whether the more people that like something makes it more like music… Rites of Spring was famously rejected by the audience at its premiere in 1913. Does that mean it was less musical then but has become more musical with the passage of time?
Thanks @Stochastically . One of the problems I solved which I was happy with was I wanted the pitch of the MidiEcho to vary between 4 and 12 and -4 to -12 I.e. not -3 to 3. so the first two LFOs are set to CC values of 0 to 40 and 87 to 127 and then are swapped in and out alternately by PatternBud.
I wonder @McD whether the application of more and more reverb (and effects) would make it more musical by taking it into ambient territory. After all a lot of this music (I know I am being simplistic) evolves from more or less random notes generate by the likes of ZOA and other generative apps. I think the mind seeks out patterns whether melodic or rhythmic so agree that there are sections that sound like they may have been played by a human and may warrant repetition.
Ha I might try that challenge @ZankFrappa . Or try recreating a version of the track you posted.
Final thought is whether, if I was a pianist (obviously I’m not) and could play this generated piano piece note perfect every time would that make it more ‘music’ than a bunch of apps generating it once?
But now I was curious how it sounds.
A quick try, no adjustments to volume, pitch, timing or anything else.
You Call That Music? I Call That Art!
Brilliant @ZankFrappa … a perfect fit.
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Do you want an answer?
IMHO, No.
No problem with your answer @OnfraySin , thanks for listening 👍
@ZankFrappa, well done, lad. You certainly brought it closer to “real” music. And I liked the Spike Jones influence whether intended or not.
I like the track, it doesn't make me nervous, instead it feels very comfortable to my ears and body, like a sound therapy
Listening to the music, i had an image/movie in my mind of Jackson Pollock doing a painting.
I can get very comfortable with experimental music, especially before sleep with headphones on and sink down from listening to sleeping
If that happens, the Zappa Family Trust will f.ck me/us for copyright infringement 👎 😂😂😂
But yes, even with very little effort, the two parts fit together almost perfectly. I was surprised myself.
I'm no art connoisseur, but isn't it art when a generative app improvises to a track it has never heard? 😎
Yes, music this is.
Piano is loved, and the distinct notes, although unconventional are very interesting.
I agree with @ZankFrappa , this is art!
Great work, @GeoTony .
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sure thing it is.
F**k the haters.
No haters on this post @Paul16 😊😊 Just well balanced discussion 🖖
I listened to it last night and didn’t like it. Then, this morning I listened again and did like it. And I’ve just given it a third listen and still like it.
So, yes, it is music IMHO. Generative it may be, but you made the system that generates it, and it’s operating within the constraints you’ve imposed. So it’s your music, because your system made it.
I remember reading somewhere about 40 years ago that the only definition of music that actually encompassed all music across the globe was “organised sound”, and this definitely fits the bill.
Random notes. That's right description. Nothing even close to the Art. Art is the thing you have to learn. Breakin' rules is still no Art, if you don't know them. Check the process of creating by Picasso, and then you'll know the difference. Music is unbiased - thus providing the most opportunities for impostors and fraudsters.
I'm writing this before watching the vid. The randomness of it certainly creates a mental challenge as to what we consider art.
Is the "artist" the creator or the curator?.
I agree with @McD that this would make a very good art piece somewhere for some kind of installation piece. Maybe even the background music in the gallery coffee shop? I guess if you slowed it down and put a tonne of reverb on it you would get a very interesting "ambient" piece out of it as well. To my ear it's helpful that it's using piano sounds, I might of found it a lot more challenging to listen to with some other kind of synthesised sound being used.
Getting CCs to be more fine tuned like that has been an ongoing interest of mine too. Patternbud: yes.
I wondered how it might sound "orchestrated" with different instruments to highlight phrases, etc.
Perhaps repeated listening is an integral part of music @bygjohn? I like the ‘organised sound’ definition 😊
Being pedantic @VoytecG the notes are really semi random as there are lots of constraints added but I appreciate the view. I’m not even convinced it’s music by the way.
Agreed @Mountain_Hamlet , the sounds themselves perhaps are ‘musical’ + reverb fixes everything 👍
Might try the orchestration as a back burner @Stochastically 🤔
I like it. Quite a bit, actually. I played it several times last night to try and understand why. Two things in particular. First, the drone bass. I did something similar in my last post. I just like the effect. It's like glue that holds things together. The second thing is the piano part. It vaguely reminds me of something I heard last Christmas Eve as we were driving home. I called the radio station as soon as we got home to find out who it was. It was an extremely far out improvisation on "We Three Kings", by a pianist named Sergio Salvatore. Maybe I'm the only one who hears it. I'll let you decide...
So, yes I call this music. But keep in mind... I write weird music.
Someday in the not too distant future we can input into a Music AI app a generator prompt:
"We Three Kings" by a modern jazz pianist
And we'll get something like this.
Piano Motifs doesn't borrow from existing melodic archives but @azul3D_Apps definitely has some idiomatic patterns in his generated work. I can hear a new piece and hear some classic rhythmic or melodic patterns.
@McD, yes, in Piano Motifs there are definitely patterns. But, give the following settings a try:
Accomp Style: Serendipity
Melody Constraint: User Defined (All notes enabled)
For extra spice add Melody Harmony, Melody Triplets or Swing Rhythm. Also, play with the Melody Note Frequency for more variety in the melodic rhythm. Finally you can use the Accomp Rest Every N Bars setting, to add rests in the accompaniment.
Here is an example:
On this track the following were used:
Accomp Style: Serendipity
Melody Constraint: User Defined (All Notes enabled)
Melody Triplets: On
Melody Harmony: 3rd-6th, 50%
Melody Note Frequency: 50%
Accomp Rest Every N Bars: 2
BPM: 150
BTW, just found a crash if you disable all the notes in the User Defined Melody Constraint, so don't do that
Still far more musical than my original post @azul3D_Apps , makes you realise what a great job you’ve done with PM 👌
Thanks @GeoTony, definitely far more musical. Just an example of a less "run of the mill" motif. There are still repeat sequences in this track which Piano Motifs uses when generating melodies and probably aid in the musicality. I guess repeating a sequence will make the notes sound more "familiar" on the second or third listen of the sequence, leading to a perception of musicality? Maybe I'll add a mode where there are no melody repeat sequences.
That would be @LinearLineman territory. But my favorite part of his playing is what he can do with the left hand for bass lines and supporting harmonic materials.
I will try your proposed settings to see what I get. The new triplets feature is a great addition. There are so many features I haven’t tried yet. The User Interface changed enough that I really need to re-learn the app.
This is a fun thread, Tony. Thx for posting it.