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The best thing about this is it will give people choice, don’t want to expand your app horizons ? Stay with the Apple Store and for those who wish to it will open up new possibilities and hopefully new software from developers who as others have said may not want to pay the the Apple App Store tax.
I’m quite surprised at the free speech/ free market Americans being opposed to this ?
🍏 I’m going to control and limit what you do with your own device. Because I care for you and you deserve only the best. I’m also gonna get a cut of 30% of every sale, and you won’t be able to sell anywhere else. Taking care of you is expensive…
I totally agree with you here. it's win-win.
Very complicated if you compare it to rooting an Android device. And isn't it illegal?
If EU will force it on apple we as users will win.
Yeah, thank you apple for rising prices 20% in Eurozone without any benefits for developers.
Monopoly is a nightmare. Would be great to have choice where your money goes.
(irony on)
Because it doesn’t fit into the narrative that the evil communist EU bureaucrat regulators can’t do any good for consumers and competition.
(irony off)
I don’t see the EU and their policy only positive but in this case they have done the right thing for consumers and competition. Of course it also has to do with a different perspective on these markets, since the dominant companies are not from EU and the regulations don’t hurt any European player. For instance, when it comes to the car industry the EU is not so much in favor of pushing through hard regulations. Regarding Apple’s monopoly, I guess in the US, policy makers were willing to sacrifice consumer rights for protecting one of the key industries - that’s the bitter truth how these things work.
Sounds all like a bad game and I guess it is but this time we’ll benefit.
EU is as much a monopoly as United States. It is a lawmaker first. Doesn't sell anything. Jeez get your thinking right.
What I meant is I'm not installing any non-Appstore apps on my device. 😂
My only (minor) concern is that we’ll end up with loads of portal applications like on desktop, e.g. Epic, Steam for games and one for each big music app producer, e.g. IKM, Korg etc
I wonder if anyone would try taking on Apple to provide a more general app store which undercuts them. You would need a lot of infrastructure so someone like Amazon might have a go at this. Should be good for competition anyway to have multiple big name companies trying to undercut each other.
You are correct from a tecnhical perspective - my speculative point was more from a customer service perspective and the possibilty that Apple might baulk when people come in off the street with a faulty iPhone that has 3rd party software on it.
But we'll have to wait until it happens to see how Apple handles it.
EU already thought of that, you will have right of self repair …..
cool now we can get synths for 9 cents instead of 19.99. hooray for all.
Or is it because nobody outside the EU likes the EU?
The EU does what is good for the EU members, not the rest of the world.
If Apple would allow WebAudio on the iOS browser we probably wouldn’t need apps
Not in a business sense as it is not a market player. But you could, with a bit of exaggeration, say it's a de facto monopoly in a regulatory sense, because it tends to set the world standards in that area.
There are all kinds of trade wars going on but this is not one of them imho. It's simply consumer protection. The EU has no alternative app store to promote against Apple, just like it had no alternative browsers against IE. The beneficiaries of such actions are the business competitors (often American, like Chrome and Firefox was in the windows browser regulation case) and EU consumers.
The EU's goal is therefore not "disruption", it's regulating global (quasi) monopolies. Sadly, it's the only global economic power prepared to do that.
Yes, possibilities for app bundles to include ios and desktop apps and upgrades is a lot easier with this functionality, backups too hopefully...also browsers with webaudio will be allowed etc. It's good news for pro use.
I wonder what our iOS developers think of this move? Better or worse for them?
Does it mean even more competition for consumer dollars?
app stores are a historical failure. Mac appstore is crickets, Microsoft store couldnt sell nada, even Android was going no where until they began to emulate Apples model. Mobile carriers used to have laughable app stores as well who remembers lol.
The one bright spot: iOS App Store….will eventually fail (and go the way of itunes) and the world will go the way of ad driven web apps installed as PWA, powered by web assembly. indie developer revenue will evaporate. Apple will continue its pivot to first party content and cloud subscriptions. (peak at their job postings related to the pro apps - its all about online collaborative tools..which i believe will be monetized)
That's what the EU is for, yes. But people outside the EU often benefit "as a side effect" as well.
For example, companies can't sell shit food, dangerous toys, or non-standard technical equipment to the EU because of our tough regulations. Theoretically, they could still sell them to you (assuming you're outside the EU), but oftentimes it's more efficient for them to produce the same stuff for everyone globally - and since it has to be the good stuff because of us, you consumers outside the EU also get it, benefitting from our efforts without your governments putting in the hard regulatory work themselves.
There you go, our tax euros at work to make your life better. 🤓👍
Sounds depressing
So they are kind of global dictators stopping other nations doing what they want to do? "Everyone must obey what the unelected officials in Brussels demand"?
There will be less barriers to becoming a developer for iOS now. That's only a good thing.
To be fair, that is not Apple raising prices, that is the EU failing to participate meaningfully in a global free market environment
(that is the EUR/USD chart, showing that the EUR has lost exactly 20% of its value -- that's those 20% increased app prices in Eurozone!)
With additional malicious code at no extra cost!
At the end of the day I feel like Apple has the right to do whatever they want as far as how apps are sold. They made the IPhone, they invested in R and D, they paid to have IPads and IPhones made, they paid for promotions etc. If Apple never made the IPhone all the people complaining about having to go thru Apple to sell their apps wouldn’t even be making apps to sell on the IPhone. I’m sure if you built a store in your community and paid all the utilities and employees you wouldn’t want someone coming in and selling products in your store and not going thru or paying you to sell their goods in your store.
I think they’re going to be viruses and all kinds of malware in the future. I’d be very suspicious about going thru a third party store, I don’t want to worry about hackers creating back doors thru apps to steal information from my IPhone. I don’t care who finds it baffling.
Of course not. That's absurd. Where did you get that? I certainly didn't say that anywhere.
An example again (a bit tongue-in-cheek but true): the UK has left the EU and as a result its water companies were able to resume pumping shit to its rivers and seas, something they couldn't legally do while in the EU. But the UK is out now, and the EU can't force it to follow EU rules. Simple. (I'm sure you could find a positive example as well, where the UK can now diverge from the EU in a good way.)
More generally, if your country (outside the EU) wants to set different rules for companies, maybe rules that go directly against EU rules, you are free to do that. The EU does not have jurisdiction outside its own territory. I mean that kind of goes without saying, no? I'm sure you know this as well, don't you. I really don't know where you got this dictator thing, my friend.
UK water companies have always pumped overflow sewage into rivers. That has absolutely nothing to do with leaving the EU.
Have you thought about the consequences?
Well, if the world worked as you seem to wish it did, you could only buy mobile apps from Apple and Google, because your phone is either Android or iOS, and according to you these two companies would "have the right to do whatever they want" etc.
Question is, would you really like such a world? Where Apple and Google could decide what can be sold on the mobile platform? And similarly, Microsoft and Apple could effectively decide what can be sold on the desktop? And where these companies would have the right to do whatever they want, maybe including asking for a 70% share of the app prices, etc.? Would you be okay with that?
Yeah unfortunately it's mostly bad so far for us in the UK, because we have less ways to stop things like this from happening with the current corrupt government we do have. It's hard to think of any good things. I have less EU funded arts projects I can apply for too. The same for EU funded science projects if you're a UK based scientist.
Some sewage, yes. Not nearly this much though, while you were in the EU.
From your own Parliament's library: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-does-brexit-mean-for-the-uks-beaches/
'The UK was branded “the dirty man of Europe” when it joined the EU in the 1970s, partly due to the polluted state of its beaches. Since then, significant improvements have been made, and in 2016 96.5% of UK bathing waters (609 out of 631 sites) passed EU standards—announced as the “best on record” by the Government.'